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Pokemon VGC 2010 DATES / rules announced for the US!
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Because you and PBB did so well in '08 amirite? America will be represented by two TRUE pokemon masters this year, masters who have never participated in a VGC before ^_____^ (not getting picked by lottery last year does not count)
i saw this really interesting cresselia it had TR, Skill swap, Helping hand, psychic. it would use skill swap later game on his giritina to get levitate then it would use helping hand
lol, thats me ;)
lol, thats me ;)
Yup, I'll be there! :P
What's the best nature/moveset for a cresselia in VGC?
edit: I messed up big time. My cresselia has been running around...and I didn't know once it's roaming it stays the same nature. So I'm stuck with an adamant Cresselia. Is she useless?
Cresselia - #488 (Adamant)
HP: 26 - 27
Att: 30 - 31
Def: 24 - 25
SpA: 0 - 3
SpD: 8 - 9
Speed: 20 - 21
edit: I messed up big time. My cresselia has been running around...and I didn't know once it's roaming it stays the same nature. So I'm stuck with an adamant Cresselia. Is she useless?
Cresselia - #488 (Adamant)
HP: 26 - 27
Att: 30 - 31
Def: 24 - 25
SpA: 0 - 3
SpD: 8 - 9
Speed: 20 - 21
Did you save after catching her? If you did, you're screwed. If not, kill her, beat the Elite 4, and she'll reappear. After that, the wifi forum has a handy guide to RNG'ing, so you can get the nature and IVs you want. :)
No I didn't save it. I'll look into that.
Yeah, it has pursuit. My Palkia also has Fire Blast just in case (as well as if Sunny Day/Drought comes into play).
I was looking for a good team sweeper with priority. Right now I dont know rather to make a Scizor or a Hitmontop for late game fake out. Both can stop opposing weather teams but Kyogre can't really be stopped by Scizor. Anyone have any thoughts or other ideas?
i suggest using anything with a grass knot or explosion seeing as most kyogres EV spread will be HP252/SP.A252/SP.D4 also your running good stuff?
Giratina -O with Shadow Sneak if you don't have 2 Ubers.
If your only fear is Kyogre, you can use Shedinja.
Shiftry gets Grass Knot, Explosion, Quick Attack, Sucker Punch, Leaf Storm, Fake Out, Dark Pulse, Extransatory, Nasty Plot, Energy Ball, SD, Rock Slide, Razor Leaf (to some extent), Seed Bomb and Low Kick.
Abomasnow gets Ice Shard and can hurt Kyogre w/ Wood Hammer or Grass Knot.
You also get Infernape who gets Mach Punch, Vaccume Wave, Flare Blitz, Fire Punch, Fake Out, Encore, Grass Knot, Thunder Punch, Flame thrower, Fire Blast, Solar Beam, Close Combat, Taunt, Feint, Helping Hand, Low Kick, and Heat Wave.
The one you picked up could be used as a physical attacker. I don't mean a sweeper, but a Cress who isn't crippled my Taunt Mewtwo.
BTW, does anyone think Feint will have any use in VGC this year considering all the Protect, Selfdestruct, and Explosion users? Feint on Sableye would be awesome (immunity to Explosion), breaking Protect and guaranteeing Explosion a hit (although, Sableye shouldn't be taken any father than UU because of his stats...).
If your only fear is Kyogre, you can use Shedinja.
Shiftry gets Grass Knot, Explosion, Quick Attack, Sucker Punch, Leaf Storm, Fake Out, Dark Pulse, Extransatory, Nasty Plot, Energy Ball, SD, Rock Slide, Razor Leaf (to some extent), Seed Bomb and Low Kick.
Abomasnow gets Ice Shard and can hurt Kyogre w/ Wood Hammer or Grass Knot.
You also get Infernape who gets Mach Punch, Vaccume Wave, Flare Blitz, Fire Punch, Fake Out, Encore, Grass Knot, Thunder Punch, Flame thrower, Fire Blast, Solar Beam, Close Combat, Taunt, Feint, Helping Hand, Low Kick, and Heat Wave.
Most Cresselia are supporters, and use moves like TR, Helping Hand, Protect, Screens, Thunder Wave, Lunar Dance, ect...
The one you picked up could be used as a physical attacker. I don't mean a sweeper, but a Cress who isn't crippled my Taunt Mewtwo.
BTW, does anyone think Feint will have any use in VGC this year considering all the Protect, Selfdestruct, and Explosion users? Feint on Sableye would be awesome (immunity to Explosion), breaking Protect and guaranteeing Explosion a hit (although, Sableye shouldn't be taken any father than UU because of his stats...).
The problem with feint is that you have to have amazing super-powered prediction skills in order to get it to work. If it doesn't, you just wasted an entire turn where you could have used it to attack and possibly KO your opponent. Sure your going to get explosion to work, but what if in the turn you used feint, your opponent instead attacked, KO'ing the Pokémon that was going to use explosion?
EDIT: BTW if anyone wants to help me/needs help on making their VGC team just pm/MSN Messenger me and I'll gladly help/get helped.
I never planned on using it. I'm using an anti-weather team. I was just curious after watching videos about last years/year before/people testing teams on Youtube and saw a handful of people using it.
Would this be a good idea for a lead in VGC:
Shiftry @ LO / Muscle Band (Still working on the items)
Clorophyl
~Sucker Punch
~Explosion
~Leaf Storm
~Fake Out
I will often pair him w/ Palkia. Palkia will know Fire Blast, Protect and possibly Thunder. The point is to stop opposing teams from abusing weather by hitting most weather abusing Pokemon as hard as possible. Fake Out is to give Palkia a chance to take out/damage one Pokemon w/o having to worry bout the other immediately. Sucker Punch is nice STAB priority and although it takes some prediction, it can finish weakened Pokemon and dent Mewtwo as well as stop Water SPout from being at full power.
Would this be a good idea for a lead in VGC:
Shiftry @ LO / Muscle Band (Still working on the items)
Clorophyl
~Sucker Punch
~Explosion
~Leaf Storm
~Fake Out
I will often pair him w/ Palkia. Palkia will know Fire Blast, Protect and possibly Thunder. The point is to stop opposing teams from abusing weather by hitting most weather abusing Pokemon as hard as possible. Fake Out is to give Palkia a chance to take out/damage one Pokemon w/o having to worry bout the other immediately. Sucker Punch is nice STAB priority and although it takes some prediction, it can finish weakened Pokemon and dent Mewtwo as well as stop Water SPout from being at full power.
@ Rein
Do you have another move for Palkia? I will run some damage calculations. Right now I don't know, it might suffer from Giratina being one of the leads.
I'm also assuming your Palkia is at max Sp.A
EDIT: Well Shiftry will OHKO both Kyogre and Groudon with Leaf Storm, however it will be out sped by Kyogre. Sucker Punch will do at least 42.3% damage to Mewtwo depending on where the EV's are (more likely >61.6%). So it seems like a good idea.
Do you have another move for Palkia? I will run some damage calculations. Right now I don't know, it might suffer from Giratina being one of the leads.
I'm also assuming your Palkia is at max Sp.A
EDIT: Well Shiftry will OHKO both Kyogre and Groudon with Leaf Storm, however it will be out sped by Kyogre. Sucker Punch will do at least 42.3% damage to Mewtwo depending on where the EV's are (more likely >61.6%). So it seems like a good idea.
I'm still working on a move set for Palkia. I'm thinking Thunder to stop rain teams and Kyogre, and Fire Blast to stop Sun and Hail teams. Protect so Shiftry is be able to explode when needed. The other Pokemon are Rayquaza, and I was thinking Metagross because of my teams Dragon weakness. I might not keep Meta, though, becuase outside of resisting Dragon attacks, he doesn't help my team much. My anti-weather team is still in it's early phases of development, and Shiftry is the only one I have a solid Move set for.
I was going to run max speed on Palkia no matter what, that way he outspeeds whatever he can. Max Sp. Attack also, unless I decide to go mixed w/ Aqua Tail, Outrage or both... I put Leaf Storm on Shiftry because it caused the most amount of imidiate damage on Kyogre, Palkia, T-Tar, Groudon, as well as hitting non-heavy Pokemon like Ludicolo.
I was going to run max speed on Palkia no matter what, that way he outspeeds whatever he can. Max Sp. Attack also, unless I decide to go mixed w/ Aqua Tail, Outrage or both... I put Leaf Storm on Shiftry because it caused the most amount of imidiate damage on Kyogre, Palkia, T-Tar, Groudon, as well as hitting non-heavy Pokemon like Ludicolo.
Seed Bomb will fail to OHKO Kyogre and Groudon by at least 24% on Kyogre and at least 56.9% for Groudon so it is better to use Leaf Storm.
EDIT: Thunder seems like a good choice. You will need also think about your opponent using a Palkia if they choose to use a rain dance team as I don't see that you have a good counter to it. You would have to focus fire on it to KO it in one go. I see it as a problem as it will be able to out speed your Shiftry and maybe speed tie your Palkia so you may see one or both go down especially with Kyogre in the mix.
EDIT: Thunder seems like a good choice. You will need also think about your opponent using a Palkia if they choose to use a rain dance team as I don't see that you have a good counter to it. You would have to focus fire on it to KO it in one go. I see it as a problem as it will be able to out speed your Shiftry and maybe speed tie your Palkia so you may see one or both go down especially with Kyogre in the mix.
I was going to put Spacial Rend/Outrage for opposing dragons & reliable STAB. I was also going to give him Lustrous Orb, or LO/Expert Belt/Wise Glasses if I don't run any Water attacks or go mixed.
Thx for offering to do the damage calculations, but don't worry about it. I'll get the calculations after I get the EVs and Natures set.
I think going for more speed than power will work better on Shiftry (like Haku16 said). I'm probably going to run Hasty on Shiftry (not naive, because of all the Sp Attackers).
I'm thinking a spread of 252 Speed, 16 Sp Attack, 236 Attack and a Hasty nature. I don't expect him to be in the sun too often, especially if I need to pair him w/ Rayquaza, so I need plenty of speed. I plan on keeping Chlorophyll, though, because it will probably help more than Early Bird will.
Thx for offering to do the damage calculations, but don't worry about it. I'll get the calculations after I get the EVs and Natures set.
I think going for more speed than power will work better on Shiftry (like Haku16 said). I'm probably going to run Hasty on Shiftry (not naive, because of all the Sp Attackers).
I'm thinking a spread of 252 Speed, 16 Sp Attack, 236 Attack and a Hasty nature. I don't expect him to be in the sun too often, especially if I need to pair him w/ Rayquaza, so I need plenty of speed. I plan on keeping Chlorophyll, though, because it will probably help more than Early Bird will.
uhh...ok good luck with that.
Yah lol I need to change that. I forgot to factor in a Jolly nature.
Seed Bomb:
71.9% - 84.8% for Kyogre
40.6% - 48% for Groudon
Leaf Storm:
91.2% - 107.6% Kyogre
112.9% - 132.7% Groudon
Better choice=Leaf Storm
Both assuming Jolly
Timid is even better for Leaf Storm
100.6% - 119.3% for Kyogre
124.8% - 147% for Groudon
Leaf Storm:
99.5% - 117.3% Groudon
80.7% - 95.3% Kyogre
Sucker Punch:
86.4% - 101.7% Mewtwo
Looks good to me.
Thxx for all the help on Shiftry....
I only have one more question...what set do you think will be the most common on Giratina and Giratina-0? I need to make sure that the Pokemon I pick for my Dragon resist (probably Meta) will be able to take their hits reasonably well, and I need to know weather or not my leads will be able to at least take reasonable damage to him (my main worry is Giratina surviving 2 Sucker Punches from Shiftry and 1 Spacial Rend from Palkia).
I only have one more question...what set do you think will be the most common on Giratina and Giratina-0? I need to make sure that the Pokemon I pick for my Dragon resist (probably Meta) will be able to take their hits reasonably well, and I need to know weather or not my leads will be able to at least take reasonable damage to him (my main worry is Giratina surviving 2 Sucker Punches from Shiftry and 1 Spacial Rend from Palkia).
I'm thinking something like this
86 HP / 216 Atk / 96 SpD / 112 Spe
~ Substitute
~ Outrage
~ Earthquake
~ Shadow Force / Shadow Claw
Obviously with substitute out. Maybe with protect but I don't know.
Or maybe used as a wall while the other Pokémon uses explosion.
248 HP / 248 Def / 12 SpD
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
~ Dragon Claw / Dragon Pulse / Outrage
Though if I was to use it I would get rid of Sleep Talk and Rest.
86 HP / 216 Atk / 96 SpD / 112 Spe
~ Substitute
~ Outrage
~ Earthquake
~ Shadow Force / Shadow Claw
Obviously with substitute out. Maybe with protect but I don't know.
Or maybe used as a wall while the other Pokémon uses explosion.
248 HP / 248 Def / 12 SpD
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
~ Dragon Claw / Dragon Pulse / Outrage
Though if I was to use it I would get rid of Sleep Talk and Rest.
NEVER EVER EVER EVER use outrage in doubles. It hits a random target that may be your partner. Also almost all giratina will be using shadow force for its ability to break protect and follow up with explosion
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