Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.

[scorchedsky]

Yeah, but when you bring switch a Pokémon in (in a single battle), it moves to position 1 and whatever was in position 1 moves to its former position. This will affect what Zoroark chooses to become.

So then at the end of battle, the order is "restored" to whatever it was? That would only work if the game remembered the original slots pokemon were in before the battle, which is the list Zoroark's Illusion should use.

I sincerely hope Nintendo isn't dumb enough to make it work based on current battle positions, as that would be confusing to the point of being ridiculous.

 

[Emperor]

You don't think it'll get Claw Sharpen?

Fixed :P

 

[TheMaskedNitpicker]

...which is the list Zoroark's Illusion should use.

I sincerely hope Nintendo isn't dumb enough to make it work based on current battle positions, as that would be confusing to the point of being ridiculous.

Those are your opinions. I don't happen to agree with them. Heck, when you're switching in Zoroark, you're already on the screen that tells you what's in the second slot. You should always know what it's going to become.

Fixed :P

Well, there's that, too. I think it's been confirmed that it'll have Claw Sharpen. I also think that it's more likely to get Nasty Plot than Swords Dance, although it will probably have both.

 

[blasphemy1]

Zoroark's ability relates to your party... I just hope they don't do the same shit as the TCG. I don't want to see attacks that do 20 HP to each of your Pokemon. >.<

 

[Mountain Dewgong]

Well Lucario got Calm Mind and Swords Dance, so perhaps Zoroark will get Nasty plot and Bulk up perhaps (along with Claw Sharpen).

 

[Fiction]

what were the stats you estimated?

 

[Emperor]

what were the stats you estimated?

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You can see the stats he estimated off of in this pic just to repost

 

[scorchedsky]

Heck, when you're switching in Zoroark, you're already on the screen that tells you what's in the second slot. You should always know what it's going to become.

Unless Zoroark's already in the second slot, in which case would it just look like you didn't do anything that turn? Although if you start a battle with Zoroark in the the second slot then my hope for the mechanics would mean no transformation...

I hope there are enough mechanics changes/interesting new pokemon to keep Gen V from being an Illusion-fest, regardless of how it ends up working.

 

[Kurai]

I apologize for my idiocy, but I don't understand Serebii's example of Illusion. If you are facing a wild Zoroark, for example, and you are leading with a Jigglypuff, why would it turn into 'Puff? Serebii said that Zoroark/Zorua turn into the second Pokemon in your party, although when you are leading with Jigglypuff that becomes your first. Unless I am misinterpreting the example or ability, which is extremely viable.

Nevertheless, I don't think it holds that much of a competitive nature. But then again, it could be the aforementioned "i dun get it" scenario where I can't propose a valid point.

 

[Intro1827]

Unless Zoroark's already in the second slot, in which case would it just look like you didn't do anything that turn? Although if you start a battle with Zoroark in the the second slot then my hope for the mechanics would mean no transformation...

I hope there are enough mechanics changes/interesting new pokemon to keep Gen V from being an Illusion-fest, regardless of how it ends up working.

So switching something out and switching the same species of Pokémon in is called "doing nothing"?

 

[Scepticallistic]

I apologize for my idiocy, but I don't understand Serebii's example of Illusion. If you are facing a wild Zoroark, for example, and you are leading with a Jigglypuff, why would it turn into 'Puff? Serebii said that Zoroark/Zorua turn into the second Pokemon in your party, although when you are leading with Jigglypuff that becomes your first. Unless I am misinterpreting the example or ability, which is extremely viable.

Nevertheless, I don't think it holds that much of a competitive nature. But then again, it could be the aforementioned "i dun get it" scenario where I can't propose a valid point.

You can't meet wild Zoroark. For the legendary beast event, Zoroark will turn into a certain one depending on who you use to battle him. Illusion works for your second Pokemon. Assuming Jigglypuff is out and Zoroark is second in the party, if you choose to switch to Zoroark it will switch spots with Jigglypuff, meaning Jig is now in slot 2. Zoroark is then supposed to transform into Jigglypuff, which seems like nothing happened that turn.

 

[Fiction]

Thanks he better get nasty plot

 

[TheMaskedNitpicker]

Zoroark is then supposed to transform into Jigglypuff, which seems like nothing happened that turn.

For the love of crap, it will not look like nothing happened. If Zoroark is in the second slot before it gets switched in, it'll look like you switched out your Pokémon and then switched in another Pokémon on the same species. There are animations for that stuff, you know.

 

[DarkEspeon]

Am I the only one seeing Illusion being a short-lived gimmick that will ultimately just get in the way and send Zoroark down to NU? It's only useful if the team is built with it in mind, it'll be useless after one or two turns, Zoroark is frail... Really, it just seems like one of those surprise gimmick sets that never get anywhere.

 

[Greysnow]

I dont see why you would have Zoraork in second slot anyway.

 

[Scepticallistic]

Haha, sorry. I'm aware it will seem like you will just switch out and send in a Pokemon of the same species, but I was referring to a somewhat competitive standpoint. v_v

 

[PKMN Trainer Manson]

Am I the only one seeing Illusion being a short-lived gimmick that will ultimately just get in the way and send Zoroark down to NU? It's only useful if the team is built with it in mind, it'll be useless after one or two turns, Zoroark is frail... Really, it just seems like one of those surprise gimmick sets that never get anywhere.

The only use I can think of at the moment, based on how I'm interpreting it, would be feigning sending out a counter, which the opponent might think they can handle, but since it's really Zoroark, they either don't do much to it, surprising the crap out of them, and maybe (if Zoroark gets it... it better!) Pursuiting as they switch out, or letting them take out Zoroark and they prepare to set-up, when in reality you still have the counter to surprise them with...

I'm confusing myself, really... it sounds really tricky though.

 

[EvilMario]

Am I the only one seeing Illusion being a short-lived gimmick that will ultimately just get in the way and send Zoroark down to NU? It's only useful if the team is built with it in mind, it'll be useless after one or two turns, Zoroark is frail... Really, it just seems like one of those surprise gimmick sets that never get anywhere.

Hyperbole theorymon at its finest.

 

[DDRMaster]

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Well i dont know if this could be my bad vision or what but when i blowed up the picture you can see a town under the clouds or it could just be end of mountain.

I think that's just part of the mountain. Also, anyone have any clue what that random house on an island is going to be?

I think Illusion could very well become a gimmick for Zoroark but I doubt it will get shot down to NU because of it. The worst that can happen is that your opponent immediately knows it's Zoroark and goes to something that can counter it. It looks like it's going to have good Spe and SpAtk and above average Atk, so if you can eliminate priority users (there really aren't that many besides Scizor), you should be able to sweep just fine, assuming Zoroark gets good coverage. I have a feeling it's going to get Crunch/Night Slash, Brick Break, and the Elemental Punches so it should be fine physically and specially, I can only hope it gets Focus Blast or some sort of better Fighting move.

Edit: Zoroark can't really switch in and have it's Illusion remain in tact unless it switches in on a Psychic attack and is copying a Dark-type. It's frailty will probably either kill it as it switches in or give away the fact that it's Zoroark because of how much damage it takes.

 

[blasphemy1]

Am I the only one seeing Illusion being a short-lived gimmick that will ultimately just get in the way and send Zoroark down to NU? It's only useful if the team is built with it in mind, it'll be useless after one or two turns, Zoroark is frail... Really, it just seems like one of those surprise gimmick sets that never get anywhere.

You're telling me that you don't build your teams with each Pokemon in mind?! This is basic team building...

 

[Kurai]

You can't meet wild Zoroark. For the legendary beast event, Zoroark will turn into a certain one depending on who you use to battle him. Illusion works for your second Pokemon. Assuming Jigglypuff is out and Zoroark is second in the party, if you choose to switch to Zoroark it will switch spots with Jigglypuff, meaning Jig is now in slot 2. Zoroark is then supposed to transform into Jigglypuff, which seems like nothing happened that turn.

Ah, I forgot about that. But what about this: if your party looks like this (first is first, last is sixth):

Jigglypuff/Pichu/Pikachu/Zoroark/Arceus/Darkrai

What happens when you switch in Zoroark with Jigglypuff? They would switch spots, but would Zoroark become Jigglypuff or Pichu? God, this damn ability is confusing.

For the love of crap, it will not look like nothing happened. If Zoroark is in the second slot before it gets switched in, it'll look like you switched out your Pokémon and then switched in another Pokémon on the same species. There are animations for that stuff, you know.

So basically, any team that has Zoroark automatically broke Species Clause. :naughty:

I guess they could program a skip in the animation, but that would still make it obvious because you didn't do anything that turn. It just went from Jigglypuff... to Jigglypuff. No attack, no switching out, and in a WiFi battle, you have to do SOMETHING every turn.

 

[Greysnow]

Ah, I forgot about that. But what about this: if your party looks like this (first is first, last is sixth):

Jigglypuff/Pichu/Pikachu/Zoroark/Arceus/Darkrai

What happens when you switch in Zoroark with Jigglypuff? They would switch spots, but would Zoroark become Jigglypuff or Pichu? God, this damn ability is confusing.



So basically, any team that has Zoroark automatically broke Species Clause. :naughty:

I guess they could program a skip in the animation, but that would still make it obvious because you didn't do anything that turn. It just went from Jigglypuff... to Jigglypuff. No attack, no switching out, and in a WiFi battle, you have to do SOMETHING every turn.

It would become Pichu.

 

[Intro1827]

Ah, I forgot about that. But what about this: if your party looks like this (first is first, last is sixth):

Jigglypuff/Pichu/Pikachu/Zoroark/Arceus/Darkrai

What happens when you switch in Zoroark with Jigglypuff? They would switch spots, but would Zoroark become Jigglypuff or Pichu? God, this damn ability is confusing.

Explain to me just HOW it can be confusing. What's in spot 2? Pichu. Then Zoroark becomes Pichu. What's so confusing about it?

 

[DDRMaster]

Ah, I forgot about that. But what about this: if your party looks like this (first is first, last is sixth):

Jigglypuff/Pichu/Pikachu/Zoroark/Arceus/Darkrai

What happens when you switch in Zoroark with Jigglypuff? They would switch spots, but would Zoroark become Jigglypuff or Pichu? God, this damn ability is confusing.

Zoroark would LOOK LIKE Pichu (just wanted to empasize that) because it's still the second Pokemon in the party. If Zoroark was the second Pokemon in the party, it would either not transform or it would become Jigglypuff.

Also, anyone who's paying attention would notice that you switched your Pokemon out so it would look like you switched another one of the same species in. If you're not paying attention in a Wi-Fi match, you're going to miss something important and could very well lose because of it.

 

[UltiMario]

Am I the only one seeing Illusion being a short-lived gimmick that will ultimately just get in the way and send Zoroark down to NU? It's only useful if the team is built with it in mind, it'll be useless after one or two turns, Zoroark is frail... Really, it just seems like one of those surprise gimmick sets that never get anywhere.

Illusion will always be there to mindgame people, and that combined with solid stats, Zoroark is bound to be an interesting sweeper in OU.