Anyone else think Zekrom's ability will let it hit Ground types for neutral damage like what Scrappy does with Ghosts? I'm going with this because of the two words used to name its unknown ability. Would be nice to spam since Electric is one of the better types with only one major resistance by grass and not so much by Dragon as most have some second type that makes it neutral.
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@above - I think the correct translation is "Tera Voltage", as opposed to "Terra Votage" - Tera = a trillion, so Tera Voltage doesn't have anything to do with hitting Ground mons, unlike Terra. Also, Tera Voltage goes better with Turbo Blaze, as they both basically mean "shitloads of fire/electricity", but if Zekrom's ability was as you described, TB would have to be something different, as nothing has a type immunity to Fire.
Maybe Rivalry is for 1 & 2nd form and Mold Breaker is for the fully evolved stage??
Whoops my mistake. But that makes the strategy even better, assuming the abilities stack. You have two Pokemon with 1.5x Special Attack and one with 2.25x Special Attack.
Ahh yes, would it be more efficient to give the 2.25x boost to Minun (who has lower special attack than Plusle) and the 1.5x boost to Plusle, or vise versa?
Minun (2.25): 560 (372 damage min)
Plusle (1.5): 403 (267 damage min)
neutral Thunderbolt vs. 200 Def; Total Damage: 639 (min)
Minun (1.5): 373 (247 damage min)
Plusle (2.25): 605 (400 damage min)
neutral Thunderbolt vs. 200 Def; Total Damage: 647 (min)
Giving Plusle the larger boost allows you to do slightly more damage against the targets (plus more Pokemon sit just below 400 HP so it is useful to OHKO them). I'm not gonna lie, it sounds a helluvah lot more viable when you have 317 base speed and 605/373 special attack at your disposal, along with Thunderbolt + Grass Knot + HP Ice (plus even if Gear's evolution has a special attack stat similar to Bronzong, it could reach 423 Special Attack with a +SpA nature).
That would make sense, but it's pretty clearly not 'doku'. There are no marks next to the 'to' and the second character doesn't appear to be an unmarked 'ku'.
Haha suddenly these Pokemon don't look too bad :D
I'm assuming the third Pokemon for your calculations is a Gear with Plus (scenario 1) or a Gear with Minus (scenario 2). You'll need to consider Gear's stats/movepool when deciding whether to give it Plus or Minus when pairing it with Plusle and Minun, as that can affect your total damage output. Hope that makes sense, this is kind of confusing.
Something interesting to consider though if you ignore Species Clause and want to decide between Plusle, Plusle, Minun and Minun, Minun, Plusle:
Plusle, Plusle, Minun
Minun (2.25): 560 (372 damage min)
Plusle (1.5): 403 (267 damage min)
Plusle (1.5): 403 (267 damage min)
neutral Thunderbolt vs. 200 Def; Total Damage: 906 (min)
Minun, Minun, Plusle
Minun (1.5): 373 (247 damage min)
Minun (1.5): 373 (247 damage min)
Plusle (2.25): 605 (400 damage min)
neutral Thunderbolt vs. 200 Def; Total Damage: 894 (min)
So you actually get more damage by giving Minun the larger boost (i.e. by running two Plusle and one Minun). But like you said it's possible Minun wouldn't be able to OHKO certain targets that Plusle can, so I guess it's not a simple matter of which combination gives the highest damage output.
I'm assuming the third Pokemon for your calculations is a Gear with Plus (scenario 1) or a Gear with Minus (scenario 2). You'll need to consider Gear's stats/movepool when deciding whether to give it Plus or Minus when pairing it with Plusle and Minun, as that can affect your total damage output. Hope that makes sense, this is kind of confusing.
Something interesting to consider though if you ignore Species Clause and want to decide between Plusle, Plusle, Minun and Minun, Minun, Plusle:
Plusle, Plusle, Minun
Minun (2.25): 560 (372 damage min)
Plusle (1.5): 403 (267 damage min)
Plusle (1.5): 403 (267 damage min)
neutral Thunderbolt vs. 200 Def; Total Damage: 906 (min)
Minun, Minun, Plusle
Minun (1.5): 373 (247 damage min)
Minun (1.5): 373 (247 damage min)
Plusle (2.25): 605 (400 damage min)
neutral Thunderbolt vs. 200 Def; Total Damage: 894 (min)
So you actually get more damage by giving Minun the larger boost (i.e. by running two Plusle and one Minun). But like you said it's possible Minun wouldn't be able to OHKO certain targets that Plusle can, so I guess it's not a simple matter of which combination gives the highest damage output.
I don't see why you would want to use Gear+Plusle+Minun because anything with Earthquake will kill them all (provided it's in the middle). I'm still thinking that Gear is going to have terrible stats to "balance" Plus and Minus and it won't be a useful strategy anyway. Remember, if one of them goes down, the other two will be weaker and it's not difficult to take out Plusle and Minun.
Does anyone else think Kibago is going to be Dragon/Fighting? I mean; it has mold breaker and learns Double Chop! That sounds pretty fighting/dragon to me. Also, I'm going to rage bricks if they troll us and get rid of mold breaker just like they do with all the other cool pseudo legends.
So, has there been any speculation on the possible Third Wheel legendary (i.e. rayquaza, giratina) in this game? We have possible representations of Yin/Yang in Zekrom/Reshiram, and Yin/Yang represents proper order in the universe so...a Chaos legendary? Will we finally have a Dark/Ghost with the stats to back the typing up?
Who knows, double chop might be the viable sub-breaking multi-hitting move we've all been looking for.
Double Chop is more like chopping something with its teeth I imagine, which is why they even bothered showing it off with it. And it's also a Dragon-type move. Don't know what Mold Breaker has to do with Fighting-types, as no Fighting-type even has Mold Breaker.
@TheMaskedNitpicker: I don't know, I'm actually pretty sure it's "doku". It's way too small for me to even think about trying look at a chart and figure it out, but considering it's some shade of purple, that would match with either Psychic or Poison-type, and since it seems like it begins with "doku", Poison makes sense, and since Poison makes sense, "doku" makes sense. Kibago is actually called Kibago in the anime pre-production sketchs, but the first character is totally illegible, and the last character, to me, doesn't look marked to turn "ko" into "go". Japanese at such a small resolution is tricky.
This has made Wargle's free fall attack sound even more interesting =]
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e93_1208562044
cruel, yet i find it sort of awsome
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e93_1208562044
cruel, yet i find it sort of awsome
That's some funny stuff right there
How do you chop with your teeth? I guess it could use those things on the side of its head but that seems rather awkward. I have a feeling it uses its hand/claws to do a chop/slash attack. Fighting/Dragon could be broken because it isn't resisted by any existing Pokemon and would only be resisted by a Ghost/Steel Pokemon, if they decide to make one.
I mean like, it's biting, except they used another word besides "Bite" or "Fang" or whatever. I guess it's a reach, but really my point is it's not supposed to be a karate chop or something since it's a Dragon-type attack and something like that would clearly be fighting (looking at you Mega Punch and Kick), and I'm sure it has something to do with its teeth if it was introduced along with Kibago. The straight definition of the word "chop" doesn't really make it so it can't.
EDIT: I'll never understand people's problem with the Sinnoh Dex. Nobody here said anything lately, but it just seems like general opinion that it was a "bad" set of Pokemon. Lack of Fire-types until Platinum sucked, but at least the one other Fire-type besides the starter was available literally as soon as it was useful, which was still relatively early in the game, and Platinum's Pokedex seemed to me to be so well-balanced with all kinds of types available all over as well as access to all of the powerful evolutions that weren't available until post-game in DP, I just don't understand why people disliked it. It really felt like the BEST Dex to me...
Why we dislike the Sinnoh dex?
THREE Water/Ground types
THREE Water/Flying types
ONE Fire type (Not accounting the starter)
A LOT of completely useless stuff (Mothim, Pachirisu, etc etc)
A LOT of pokes that were too hard to count for the results they yield (Wormadam? Vespiquen? Please...)
That might help.
THREE Water/Ground types
THREE Water/Flying types
ONE Fire type (Not accounting the starter)
A LOT of completely useless stuff (Mothim, Pachirisu, etc etc)
A LOT of pokes that were too hard to count for the results they yield (Wormadam? Vespiquen? Please...)
That might help.
After looking through pics on Serebii, I think Tsutaja will end up being Grass/Poison. I'm pretty sure someone mentioned this before. I saw what looks to be a Poison-type move in it's status screen. Not that I'm saying Grass/Poison is necessarily a bad combination, it's just that I'd wish that the starters would be the pokemon with most exotic type combinations
I have been reading things about the Isshu dex going to about 200 with mostly all new pokemon. Then when you get the national dex there would be alot of evolutions and Pre's of past pokemon and that it would be way more than in shinnoh
im hoping for this to be true and i got the feeling it may be seeing as how they seem to be including 2x the amount of nearly everything. ex,rivals, the amount of pokemon pre released before the game is released.
im hoping for this to be true and i got the feeling it may be seeing as how they seem to be including 2x the amount of nearly everything. ex,rivals, the amount of pokemon pre released before the game is released.
Oh, it sure has. The Earth itself doesn't have infinite resistance. It's perfectly plausible one trillion volts will be enough to ignore a Ground-type pokémon's immunity to electricity.
But I have no idea on how Turbo Blaze will work if Tera Voltage is like that.
Huh ?_? We know Kibago has both abilities already, something that has never happened before to any pseudo's first form. However, no <600 BST Dragon's first form has ever been Dragon-type, so it doesn't matter which route Kibago goes upon evolving, it's going to be a "mold breaker" ~__~
Now that you said it... It looks more like "kigu" than "doku" or "togu".
Somebody should have taken better scans of this pamphlet, damn.
You are talking about D/P's, he's also taking Plat's into account.
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