Pokemon Black and White (SPECULATIONS ALLOWED HERE)

[blasphemy1]

Any of the following could work with Feraligatr: Guts, Intimidate, Quick Feet, Rough Skin, or Swift Swim.

Miltank already has two abilities, and some cows are fed meat on farms anyways... sick I know.

 

[bombiron]

What else WOULD it be falling at? LoL

EDIT: I would LOVE an Herbivore Miltank.

i thoguht he said that ice destroyed metal, silly me

 

[Redneck]

I wonder if Pokemon that already have two abilities will get a special DW one. I doubt it, but it's possible, methinks.


In fact, I wonder if a distributed Poke with a special ability that breaks the metagame would ever be recalled? Then only a very lucky few could have a special pokemon with an exceptional ability.

LIKE WONDERTOMB ;D

But seriously. I think Blastoise would be benefited well with Pure Power Hydration or Water Absorb. I'm looking forward to a psuedo Manaphy other than Dewgong in the form of Vaporeon! x]

 

[The King of Harts]

Any of the following could work with Feraligatr: Guts, Intimidate, Quick Feet, Rough Skin, or Swift Swim.

Here's the problem I see with Guts and Quick Feet: His Attack isn't high enough and he doesn't have a strong enough physical STAB. Hariyama has base 120 ATK and Close Combat; not to mention he can use Fake Out to set up Guts. Heracross has TWO base 120 STABS in Close Combat and Megahorn. Swellow is sick fast and has STAB Brave Bird and Facade. Ursaring has STAB Facade coming off of base 130 and access to Close Combat. Feraligatr has base 105 and Waterfall...meh. Oh yea, and Aqua Tail...yay.

Swift Swim gives him something over Gyarados, but Kingdra still outclasses him in Rain since he's neutral to grass and electricity. He can't even claim superiority with Swords Dance and priority since Kabutops is the exact same way, but deadlier and has access to STAB Stone Edge.

Intimidate helps everyone, so that's a good choice. Come in, reduce their attack and Dragon/Swords Dance up. However, big brother Gyarados is tough competition since he has an immunity and more resistances, so he can set up easier. Ice Punch is better than Ice Fang, though.

Rough Skin could help him get some KOs on physical attackers. It's not a bad ability and his only competition is Sharpedo, who has base 40 defense. Feraligatr could make great use of this because of his good bulk. Of the 5 you listed, I like this one best. It's actually probably the best other ability he could have.

 

[Chateau]

Perfect abilities that will never happen:
Gluttony Charizard
Scrappy Blastoise
Thick Fat Venusaur

Also, I'll bet there'll be an item that ensures abilities get inherited. Like the Power items for EV's, and Everstone for natures.

 

[deluge]

Water could get some higher base power physical moves in Gen V which is pretty scary since STAB Waterfall/Aqua Tail is already dangerous on high Atk waters.
They gave Fire and Grass (former special types) Flare Blitz and Power Whip/Wood Hammer right off the bat so they might be filling some gaps this time around.

 

[Colonel Darren]

Here's the problem I see with Guts and Quick Feet: His Attack isn't high enough and he doesn't have a strong enough physical STAB. Hariyama has base 120 ATK and Close Combat; not to mention he can use Fake Out to set up Guts. Heracross has TWO base 120 STABS in Close Combat and Megahorn. Swellow is sick fast and has STAB Brave Bird and Facade. Ursaring has STAB Facade coming off of base 130 and access to Close Combat. Feraligatr has base 105 and Waterfall...meh. Oh yea, and Aqua Tail...yay.

Feraligatr could make a Guts set work with Aqua Jet and Swords Dance. It would still hit pretty hard on most targets and still grant Feraligatr some much-needed priority. But I agree, Feraligatr is a great Poke, but it's just not got the raw power or speed to get the job done.

 

[Unknown Tsutaja]

Any of the following could work with Feraligatr: Guts, Intimidate, Quick Feet, Rough Skin, or Swift Swim.

Miltank already has two abilities, and some cows are fed meat on farms anyways... sick I know.

I would love all of those, and especially Swift Swim and Intimidate, but then if Vena got Chlorophyll and Blastoise Swift Swim it wouldn't be fair for Zard /:

 

[M BLADE]

I can see Feraligatr getting Water Veil.
It's not the coolest ability, but it's certainly useable (avoid getting burned is cool).

 

[Colonel Darren]

I can see Feraligatr getting Water Veil.
It's not the coolest ability, but it's certainly useable (avoid getting burned is cool).

I hadn't even thought of that, but aside from perhaps Intimidate or Swift Swim, that would be the PERFECT Feraligatr ability. That's one huge obstacle status for it removed (But it would then attract paralysis like the plague, but anything's better than our beloved gator being gimped by a Wisp or Flamethrower on the switch.)

 

[blasphemy1]

Here's the problem I see with Guts and Quick Feet: His Attack isn't high enough and he doesn't have a strong enough physical STAB. Hariyama has base 120 ATK and Close Combat; not to mention he can use Fake Out to set up Guts. Heracross has TWO base 120 STABS in Close Combat and Megahorn. Swellow is sick fast and has STAB Brave Bird and Facade. Ursaring has STAB Facade coming off of base 130 and access to Close Combat. Feraligatr has base 105 and Waterfall...meh. Oh yea, and Aqua Tail...yay.

Swift Swim gives him something over Gyarados, but Kingdra still outclasses him in Rain since he's neutral to grass and electricity. He can't even claim superiority with Swords Dance and priority since Kabutops is the exact same way, but deadlier and has access to STAB Stone Edge.

Intimidate helps everyone, so that's a good choice. Come in, reduce their attack and Dragon/Swords Dance up. However, big brother Gyarados is tough competition since he has an immunity and more resistances, so he can set up easier. Ice Punch is better than Ice Fang, though.

Rough Skin could help him get some KOs on physical attackers. It's not a bad ability and his only competition is Sharpedo, who has base 40 defense. Feraligatr could make great use of this because of his good bulk. Of the 5 you listed, I like this one best. It's actually probably the best other ability he could have.

I wasn't analyzing this from a competitive point of view, I was just stating abilities that could work with Feraligatr's current flavor.

 

[The King of Harts]

Feraligatr could make a Guts set work with Aqua Jet and Swords Dance. It would still hit pretty hard on most targets and still grant Feraligatr some much-needed priority. But I agree, Feraligatr is a great Poke, but it's just not got the raw power or speed to get the job done.

I love Feraligatr as well, he's my second favorite Poke after Charizard (damn stealth rocks). However, stats don't lie. Even with a Guts and Swords Dance boost, he can't 2HKO Skarmory, THE defensive wall, with Aqua Jet (using a Jolly nature). Waterfall does 78-92%, but he looses important priority. Hariyama using his standard Guts set does 71-84% with Close Combat. He might tear up UU, but he'd still struggle in OU since that burn and life orb will wear him down faster than can do damage (Wish/Protect users will be his worst nightmare).

I wasn't analyzing this from a competitive point of view, I was just stating abilities that could work with Feraligatr's current flavor.

I still like Rough Skin, though. I've always thought it was a neat ability that can't be used to it's full potential on Pokemon like Sharpedo. And it's a perfect fit flavor-wise since he's an alligator.

 

[M BLADE]

I love Feraligatr as well, he's my second favorite Poke after Charizard (damn stealth rocks). However, stats don't lie. Even with a Guts and Swords Dance boost, he can't 2HKO Skarmory, THE defensive wall, with Aqua Jet (using a Jolly nature). Waterfall does 78-92%, but he looses important priority. Hariyama using his standard Guts set does 71-84% with Close Combat. He might tear up UU, but he'd still struggle in OU since that burn and life orb will wear him down faster than can do damage (Wish/Protect users will be his worst nightmare)..

Of course not. Why you can't use both Waterfall and Aqua Jet?
And of course it doesn't 2HKO Skarmory. It's about a freaking base 40 STAB attack we're talking about.
If stats don't lie, why Lucario hits like a train when it has only a little more attack than Gatr, and Weavile isn't that strong while it has a huge base 120 stat?

 

[Squid Ninja]

Question:

If a Grass-type Pokemon has the herbivore ability, is he a cannibal?

On a serious note, I hope they give Ampharos Motor Drive in the Dream World (of course, assuming he'll get a new ability), although I see GF shafting Amphy even more by giving him Illuminate.

 

[Chateau]

Movepool, movepool, movepool.

A herbivore eats plants, not pokemon that look like plants. They especially love plants being used to attack them.

 

[Unknown Tsutaja]

Of course not. Why you can't use both Waterfall and Aqua Jet?
And of course it doesn't 2HKO Skarmory. It's about a freaking base 40 STAB attack we're talking about.
If stats don't lie, why Lucario hits like a train when it has only a little more attack than Gatr, and Weavile isn't that strong while it has a huge base 120 stat?

The thing is, you wan't coverage. If you have both Waterfall and AJ, and put Ice Punch as your other choice, you get walled by Water types. And if you put EQ, you get walled by Grass. You only want Aqua Jet.

 

[M BLADE]

Return is strong enough to hit everything else. Including waters. And with coverage.

 

[The King of Harts]

Of course not. Why you can't use both Waterfall and Aqua Jet?
And of course it doesn't 2HKO Skarmory. It's about a freaking base 40 STAB attack we're talking about.
If stats don't lie, why Lucario hits like a train when it has only a little more attack than Gatr, and Weavile isn't that strong while it has a huge base 120 stat?

Swords Dance/Aqua Jet/Waterfall/Blank. That's two move slots used up by water attacks, reducing his coverage. That's why it'd be silly to have both Aqua Jet and Waterfall. I know that's how Smogon has it, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I'd much rather run something like SD/Aqua Jet/Earthquake/Return or Ice Punch.

As for Lucario, he does have a higher attack (every point matters), a better STAB in Close Combat, the top priority attack in Extreme Speed, a great move pool, and he's much faster with base 95 Speed. That's why he hits like a train. Not even Skarmory and Hippowdon want to switch into a +2 Close Combat.

And Weavile does tear up stuff with that base 120 Attack. The reason he's not more popular in OU is because of his horrible defenses and typing. Swords Dance/Ice Shard/Night Slash/Low Kick is super deadly, but Scizor's Bullet Punch screws him over. Actually, any priority hurts big time. Tack on SR damage, his bad defenses allowing a lot of damage even from neutral hits, and weaknesses to common attacks and you've got a lower tier Pokemon.

 

[evolutia]

The thing is, you wan't coverage. If you have both Waterfall and AJ, and put Ice Punch as your other choice, you get walled by Water types. And if you put EQ, you get walled by Grass. You only want Aqua Jet.

I use Return. That offers pretty good neutral coverage. SD/AJ/WF/Return.

 

[SMZ]

The alt-traits for the starters may be only related with their element only, so I'd assume stuff like Intimidate Feraligatr is out the equation, but Water Veil Feraligatr and Leaf Guard for example is what I think they'll give them. Not sure what they'll give fire though, since Flame Body Pokemon has to have, well a 'flame body', and Magma Armor doesn't fit much (well maybe except for Typhlosion ?_?. Dunno, but I hope the abilities they give them are going to be useful.

 

[Redneck]

Edit: my post became irrelevant because i got ninja'd


But to make this post spot useful:


Are these DW abilities only going to be "type related"? Because I'd like to see some Pokemon get abilities that don't deal type, like Magic Guard tossed around or Serene Grace.

 

[breh]

Swords Dance/Aqua Jet/Waterfall/Return

Cool, this 2hkoes defensive suicune after SD and Burn orb, assuming guts... stop complaining about it guys and get back to the point

 

[Unknown Tsutaja]

Return is strong enough to hit everything else. Including waters. And with coverage.

And no move for Grass or Electric types? That's why Fera has EQ and Ice Punch, to cover his weaknesses.

 

[blasphemy1]

I don't think any of us are expecting (or should be) these new abilities to send any of the starters or Eeveelutions up to higher tiers. In reality, the Pokemon most affected by this will probably be Venusaur. Infernape likes Blaze, and Flash Fire isn't gonna make him great in the first place. Empoleon's main set relies on Torrent, though I could definitely see him getting Swift Swim. 3 Attacks + Substitute could actually work, without the need for Agility. Venusaur, meanwhile, is the next best starter. Solar Power would allow it to be a fairly quick, bulky Choice Specs user. This may be off-topic, but I'm bored anyways so I'm just gonna post calcs:

Modest 252 SpA +1 (Solar Power) Choice Specs Leaf Storm vs.
- 248 HP / 0 SpD Adamant Scizor: 41.1% - 48.4%
- 0 HP / 4 SpD Naive Heatran: 38.1% - 44.9%
- 0 HP / 0 SpD Adamant Dragonite: 36.2% - 42.7%
- 252 HP / 0 SpD Bold Blissey: 50.8% - 59.8%

Modest 252 SpA +1 (Solar Power) Choice Specs Sludge Bomb vs.
- 0 HP / 0 SpD Adamant Dragonite: 93.8% - 110.5%
- 248 HP / 228 SpD Calm Zapdos: 61.9% - 73.1%

Pretty scary.

@ Unknown Tsutaja: They're gonna outspeed him anyways, so Return is the best option.

 

[SMZ]

Edit: my post became irrelevant because i got ninja'd


But to make this post spot useful:


Are these DW abilities only going to be "type related"? Because I'd like to see some Pokemon get abilities that don't deal type, like Magic Guard tossed around or Serene Grace.

We don't know, but since Vaporeon got Hydration and Glaceon Ice Body, we're speculating that's the case, but personally I hope it's not limited to type related, also I hope those DW abilities are breedable.