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Just saw the new pokemon revealed in Pokemon Sunday and i think that since they questioned if someone on the anime had one i think they might be refering to Dento and that he might have this pokemon, this will mean for sure that Dento is a grass type gym leader.

sorry if this has been already discussed, i haven't check the past posts and im too lazy to check them now
 
With the new pokemons Pokabu and Hihidaruma i really hope new physical fire type attacks appear, i mean, there are few ones: Fire Fang/Punch, Blaze kick, Flare Blitz, Flame Wheel. Thats why Arcanine and Entei aren't in OU, because of its poor movepool. And a fire-type recovery move wouldn't be bad, most fire types lack of recovery move (besides from rest), something more like recover or roost
 
Originally posted by fashionably plump verycoolguy
The only way he would get banned from NU is if he makes into the UU or OU cutoff. There shouldn't be a banlist for NU, since NU is just a filter of outcasts, and does not have a real metagame
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Try telling that to those nerds at CAP. They have their own metagame for NU.
 
Morning Sun for all Fire-types would be a start, I guess.


And we know that at least Pokabu gets at least one new physical Fire move, Nitro Charge (50 BP, 100 Acc, ???% chance of raising its Speed). To be frank, I am not expecting anything else. It's not as if Game Freak has ever really liked Fire-types (see: RBY).
 
manav95 said:
Heatran currently owns the metagame. Fire types have gotten better.
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Yeah sure, having one Fire-type that is pretty much perfect in everything (starting by its secondary typing) and with an ability that nullifies any Fire-type move aimed at it sure as hell makes (or means) Fire-types (are) better this generation.


Sure.
 
R_N said:
Current Consensus is "Probably" iirc

I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that Morning Sun gives Arcanine an edge, too.
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Yeah, but I think "Double Dog" would be a viable strategy for using both, and Entei has some advantages (better bulk, Stone Edge, can do RestTalk viably if needed).
 
There's also Infernape. He too is a threat but is easier to stop than Heatran. OK so they haven't improved a lot, but in RBY they were crap. Charizard needed a better typing and higher attack. Moltres was limited to Fire Blast and Agility Wrap Trapping. Flareon couldn't get Earthquake. Arcanine was limited in attacks. Magmar's stats were low. Ninetales was frail. Rapidash was just plain crap. They could only hurt Bugs and Grass and Ice and that didn't matter. Now they are more useful but still have some hurdles.
 
RBY was a strange, strange beast in general.

Hyper Beam essentially had base 300 attack and like everything learned it!
Crits based on speed!
Horrible horrrible movepools for like everyone
 
Ok I guess I'll drop the issue as it seems you don't understand my point. Anyway.

R_N said:
RBY was a strange, strange beast in general.

Hyper Beam essentially had base 300 attack and like everything learned it!
Crits based on speed!
Horrible horrrible movepools for like everyone
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300 Base Power? Are you talking about the no-recharge thing, or did it really cut the opponent's defense in half?
 
Hopefully Victini and other new Fire pokemon can help the Fire types... (wait for it) rise from the ashes.

Fire moves may be used a lot, but the fire type definitely needs a buff. Fire type Waterfall and Fire type Bullet Punch should do the trick.
 
Grass monkey's design isn't great, but I love using grass types in game so we'll see. Still, I'm planning on using smugleaf as my starter unless wotter turns into something cool. The only thing I REALLY want to see competitively this gen is a fix for SR
 
According to Bulbapedia, R_N is correct.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Hyper_Beam_(move) said:
Hyper Beam inflicts damage. A recharge turn is required on the turn after damage is done, during which no action may be performed. Though its power is 150, the target's Defense will be halved when damage from this attack is calculated, giving it an effective power of 300.

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Generation II and on

The target's Defense is not halved anymore for the damage calculation of this move. Hyper Beam will always recharge if it hits, even if the target is knocked out, unless the battle is completed in that turn.*
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However, according to makiri aka zerowing, Bulbapedia is incorrect.
 
BuddyBlueBomber said:
I think it's time to face the facts that no matter what happens, Flareon will never be good enough.
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Give it an ability that lowers Special Attack on switch in.
Give it a strong physical fire move with no recoil and no crappy accuracy.
Give it agility.
Give it acrobat.
Give it dual screens.
Give it earthquake.
Give it Morning Sun.

And if we're really desperate
Give it pain split.

Now its a diverse special wall faster than Blissey with more team support options. It can use Agility to set up a sweep or to Baton Pass, it can use Acrobat for Bulky Waters and Earthquake for Heatran, and it still has its Wish passing available to it.
 
@Crashic; I'm sort of confused... I thought Acrobat was a Flying type move because I saw people saying it was SE against Tsutaja...
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though
 
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