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Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

acetrainerzx said:
One, quick question about Emerald Method 2 (sweer scented wild) RNG

Does same location + Same frame = Same Species?
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no unlike fourth gen there aren't set encounter slots for a Pokemon in Emerald so you can find different pokemon on the same frame in the same area. Of course, it may take more tries to find a rare Pokemon when compared to a more common one.
 
Ok, so I'm trying to rng heatran. I have an odd delay, so I insert a GBA game into the slot. For some reason i kept getting even delays, so I took out the GBA game figuring I mixed up which game gives me odd/even delays with the GBA. However, I still got even delays. This has never happened before, I have rnged all the other legends except this tran and mesprit and they have all worked fine. Can anyone help?
 
Charzaro said:
Ok, so I'm trying to rng heatran. I have an odd delay, so I insert a GBA game into the slot. For some reason i kept getting even delays, so I took out the GBA game figuring I mixed up which game gives me odd/even delays with the GBA. However, I still got even delays. This has never happened before, I have rnged all the other legends except this tran and mesprit and they have all worked fine. Can anyone help?
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It's happened to me before, and changing the year usually works. I don't know why it happens sometimes.
 
I've been recently only RNG breeding in my SS game, but now I'm trying to RNG a few pokemon there via Method K.

I'm in Cerulean Cave to test my Sweet Scent frame. I hop onto my bike, save, reset, etc. Upon getting back to the game, I Sweet Scent and catch a pokemon. After checking it's IVs, I use the seed I got in RNG reporter to see the spreads and see that my pokemon has the Frame 2 spread. This means that Sweet Scent will consistently advance the frame by 2, right? Or does me being on a bike affect it as well? Are my results dependent on whether or not I have a pokemon following me?

Could someone also make sure I've got my math and steps right as well, if Sweet Scent will advance my frame by 2? Target frame is 148.

-10 Elm Calls to verify my seed. (10 frames advanced)
-8 further Elm Calls to advance RNG. (18 frames advanced)
-Sweet Scent to advance frame (20 frames advanced)
-20th pokemon's actual frame is 143, faint pokemon (143 frames advanced)
-Something to advance 3 more frames; maybe Elm Calls to ensure I'm on the right frames (146 frames advanced)
-Sweet Scent to reach Target Frame (148 frames advanced)
 
ObviousEnd said:
I've been recently only RNG breeding in my SS game, but now I'm trying to RNG a few pokemon there via Method K.

I'm in Cerulean Cave to test my Sweet Scent frame. I hop onto my bike, save, reset, etc. Upon getting back to the game, I Sweet Scent and catch a pokemon. After checking it's IVs, I use the seed I got in RNG reporter to see the spreads and see that my pokemon has the Frame 2 spread. This means that Sweet Scent will consistently advance the frame by 2, right? Or does me being on a bike affect it as well? Are my results dependent on whether or not I have a pokemon following me?

Could someone also make sure I've got my math and steps right as well, if Sweet Scent will advance my frame by 2? Target frame is 148.

-10 Elm Calls to verify my seed. (10 frames advanced)
-8 further Elm Calls to advance RNG. (18 frames advanced)
-Sweet Scent to advance frame (20 frames advanced)
-20th pokemon's actual frame is 143, faint pokemon (143 frames advanced)
-Something to advance 3 more frames; maybe Elm Calls to ensure I'm on the right frames (146 frames advanced)
-Sweet Scent to reach Target Frame (148 frames advanced)
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Honestly, it's easiest to verify your seed, then use the top right radio button a few times (it advances 13-14 frames each use I believe), and use elm calls to locate your position when you are close to your target. Sweet scenting to advance the frame probably isn't a good way to go about it.
 
Winters Zombie said:
Depends where you're stepping. In an area with wild pokes with or without repel is 1 step = 1 frame. But if there are no wilds, than it's 256 steps = how ever many pokes you have in your party when you make that 256th step.
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Well.... I wanted to try to get my own red gyarados from the Lake of Rage on my SS version.
 
Diabolico said:
Do I figure out the frames, the delays, and everything of the gyarados exactly the way how I did on the rng reporter when I was trying to get the heatran or is there a difference?
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I don't think there is a difference. You check your delay by calling Elm or checking the roamers. Then advance the frame through whichever method you like (radio, elm, walking). I believe this is correct.
 
I am not 100% on this, but I think the Red Gyarados of the game plot uses the algorithm for shinies and has weird frames. When I tried to do the Red Gyardos catch, I did not get the predicted frames. So I haven't done it. It'd be easier to just catch a red Gyardos using an encounter slot than to catch the one from the game plot (edit) using RNG for a chosen IV spread. See the second post of this thread where it's mentioned.
 
Tooned said:
I don't think there is a difference. You check your delay by calling Elm or checking the roamers. Then advance the frame through whichever method you like (radio, elm, walking). I believe this is correct.
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Okay, So.... Isn't there pokeRNG software or something that I can use to figure out the delays, the frame, and the seed for the gyarados on SS (since the PokeRNG that I have only workds for D/P/Platinum)?

Or does the same PokeRNG software also works for the HG/SS games as well?
 
Riski said:
I am not 100% on this, but I think the Red Gyarados of the game plot uses the algorithm for shinies and has weird frames. When I tried to do the Red Gyardos catch, I did not get the predicted frames. So I haven't done it. It'd be easier to just catch a red Gyardos using an encounter slot than to catch the one from the game plot. See the second post of this thread where it's mentioned.
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Correct, it's generated using the Chained Shiny (Theoretical) method found on the latest version (s) of RNG Reporter, so to find a decent spread, you;d have to use a program like PokeRNG to generate a bunch of seeds with the IVs you want, enter that seed into RNG Reporter, select Chained Shiny (Theoretical), hit Generate, and see what nature corresponds to that IV spread. The nature is based on your ID/SID so for a particular seed it varies form game to game. I believe the latest RNG Reporter gives accurate frames for the Red Gyarados and other Pokemon generated through this method. Once you've found a seed that gives the Red Gyarados with an IV/nature combo you want, RNG as normal, find a target time/delay, use the radio/elm/joey calls to verify seed and advance frame, etc. It has a starting frame of 1.
 
Diabolico said:
Okay, So.... Isn't there pokeRNG software or something that I can use to figure out the delays, the frame, and the seed for the gyarados on SS (since the PokeRNG that I have only workds for D/P/Platinum)?

Or does the same PokeRNG software also works for the HG/SS games as well?
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PokeRNG comes up with method 1, J, and K. So yes it gives HGSS which is method K, or method 1.
 
Nexus said:
Correct, it's generated using the Chained Shiny (Theoretical) method found on the latest version (s) of RNG Reporter, so to find a decent spread, you;d have to use a program like PokeRNG to generate a bunch of seeds with the IVs you want, enter that seed into RNG Reporter, select Chained Shiny (Theoretical), hit Generate, and see what nature corresponds to that IV spread. The nature is based on your ID/SID so for a particular seed it varies form game to game. I believe the latest RNG Reporter gives accurate frames for the Red Gyarados and other Pokemon generated through this method. Once you've found a seed that gives the Red Gyarados with an IV/nature combo you want, RNG as normal, find a target time/delay, use the radio/elm/joey calls to verify seed and advance frame, etc. It has a starting frame of 1.
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Thanks, Nexus. I'll give this catch another shot. :-)
 
Is there a list of PokeWalker spreads? Like the Brave/Timid/Modest ones that are floating around but for the same/different natures with better IVs? Or are those the only 3 known to be good?
 
@Unholy Confessions: You can get different natures with better IVs, but generally speaking, you will need to do more work compared to the Brave/Timid/Modest spreads out there. Off the top of my head, from what I remember, there's also a Jolly 31 / 31 / 30 / 1 / 29 / 31 spread that's fairly easy to get.

If you want something like a 31 / 31 / 31 / x / 31 / 1 (forget about 0 speed, that spread's way too far out there to get... and 1 speed is same as 0 speed at level 50) or 31 / 31 / 31 / x / 31 / 31 spread, those will take quite a while to do RNGing.

IVs are pretty much independent of natures for PokeWalker RNGing. i.e. Some natures might be easier to get, but for any IV spread, you can have any nature (other than Quirky).
 
Nono, the timing's still the same and easy. Sorry I just didn't explain since I was too lazy to explain (and still am lol). "More work" means you need to catch more than just one or two pokemon like the mentioned Brave/Timid/Modest spreads were. For example, the 31 / 31 / 31 / x / 31 / 31 spread requires you to capture 42 pokemon, and for pokewalker that takes quite a bit of time since you can only catch 3 at a time and watts are back to zero after each transfer.

If you are interested, you can ask me in PM and... I'll try to explain it in more detail when I have more time (not much of that right now).
 
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