Crobat actually has pretty good defenses. Gengar on the other hand, is as resistant as tissue paper.
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Crobat actually has pretty good defenses. Gengar on the other hand, is as resistant as tissue paper.
Crobat actually has great defenses with reliable recovery and Gengar can easily survive a Megahorn and Pain Split it back into Focus Blast KO range.
this thing is actually usuable in ou. slap on a CB and fuck everything with megahorn. i didn't even use rock smash, but w/e
No one should ever use Rock Smash. Just throw Toxic in the last slot of the Choice Bander (might be fun to mess with stupid Burungeru although the Swords Dance set beats that among a couple other things. A +4 Rock Smash without Life Orb can't ohko Heatran, that tells how sucky Rock Smash is).
Even if you use a steel type switch in (eg. Scizor) you still need to be one hell of a gutsy badass with a beard to make grizzly bears run scared to do it. Simply because even against something like Scizor, a CB Megahorn from this guy is still a solid 2HKO RESISTED. The only safe switch ins into this guy are the 4x resists, resisted Evo stone abusers and uber defensive resistant sponges such as Gengar, Crobat, Golbat, Heatran, Chandelure, Dusclops, Jelicent, Steelix and Conkledurr if at full HP.
For some reason quote tags freaking out. Anyhow, a lot of those can not always switch in. You're assuming Shubargo is always Choice Band but that isn't always neccessarily true (I happen to love the Swords Dance for example) which turns a lot of those switch ins very dangerous since Gengar dies to Iron Head (Choice and +2), Crobat to +2 Iron Head (or even Choice Iron Head because of Brave Bird recoil and it still koes after Roost), Roopushin dies to +2 Life Orb Iron Head, Dusclops can get 2 hit koed by +2 Iron Head, Burungeru gets 2 hit koed by +2 Megahorn. Shandera, Steelix, and Heatran however remain problems. Particularly Heatran who just walls Shubargo endlessly and Shandera who traps it in for death. Steelix still isn't seen much in OU (or Crobat/Golbat who also eventually dies to +2 Iron Head). The only sure counters really are Heatran and Shandera who Shubargo simply can't do much of anything too (well, I guess Shubargo could ev itself to survive in rain and throw Reversal against Heatran but otherwise...). As soon as Shubargo gets SuperPower/Close Combat (come on, it looks like a Close Combat type of Pokemon), then Heatran terror is doomed. The only things that really required a Life Orb to kill were Roopushin (you'll win but without Life Orb you've lost 80+% of your health compared to the 50% after Drain Punch+Life Orb), Dusclops, and Evo Stone Golbat although you eventually win after a long struggle of Roosting (helps speed up faster if you're in Sand). It is dangerous to assume that Shubargo will always be Choice or throwing out Megahorn (if they see you have a 4x resist with Team preview or worse Shandera/Heatran for example).
I agree that SD is a nice surprise but a problem with SD is that shubargo is SLOW...no one is just going to allow it to set up and sweep with it, without firing off a Will-O-wisp or a fire type move..that's why the CB is the better choice because it hits hard and if it cant KO or 2HKO (without being KOed or burned itself) it switches out majority of your counters are going to mess up Shubargo up with Will-O-wisp...Dusclops and burungeru both faster and will hit shubargo before it is allowed to really hit them hard. ..Crobat I'd just rather 2HKO with CB Iron Head...and even though Gengar 4X resists megahorn I would still be hesistant about switching him in...OHKOed by Iron head and actuallly I've used shubargo to counter gengar by pursuit trapping it
Actually in my experience CB Rock Smash is a solid 2HKO on Heatran, its possible with LO too thanks to the defense down, Chandelure is another story however. The problem I've found with Swords Dance set is that even CB set tends to attract burn users like flies but at least you can just hit em and get the hell out of there.
I agree Toxic is a viable option in CB set though as it can really screw over some switch ins like Jelicent, though Skarmory still remains a solid counter. In some respects though you take some big risks running Skarm this gen however. I do think however the other nice set Escavalier can run is Knock Off though, Escavalier is the type of pokemon who can force switches.
Easy, because you don't seem to think Skarmory doesn't fall under the 4x resist category which was mentioned.
But fact is if you don't, he is simply going to run through something in the blink of the eye. You can actually use Megahorn as a tool in a sense, in the end CB or SD or Sub version you still have 3-4 attacks to catch people out on a switch.
Yet you mentioned 5 other 4x resists, 4 of which can beat it? You seem to have forgotten that Crobat/Golbat can pack Heat Wave.
If you're going to mention 4x resists AND X, you might as well not mention the 4x resists in the X section, or just put Skarmory on the list and you'll have a proper list anywas.
Wow, I forgot to account for the 50% def drop so it can? The only problem is you're still slower (except in Trick Room) so you'd have to switch out. Although in Rain you can maybe survive a Lava Plume/Flamethrower with special defense (the fact that it can is suprising, however Fire Blast is always murder)...more likely it has to switch out but that is cool.
While you might get burned (but if they miss which would be hilarious), Shubarago after Swords Dance still kills the likes of Desukan and Burungeru. Dusknoir is threatening with potential Fire Punch and it is faster than you and could Will-O-Wisp and then be annoying with Pain Split. I thought at first Dusclops was slower but even Dusclops was somehow faster so it could do that as well.
Sub however lets Shubarago beat Jellyfish. It's really pathetic that it can't break Shubs sub with Boiling Water. Jellyfish is pretty overrated in it's defensive capabilities but whatever. I can see issues with Swords Dance (except on Trick Room or if they have nothing to really beat Shubarago) now. God the thing is slow but it is so destructive that it should be a staple (if it isn't already) on Trick Room teams. It's ridiculous that Dusclops and friends outspeed it. Still the extra power from Swords Dance (and being able to switch) is really good. With team support by Trick Room or Paralysis, it would mop the floor with people as it's pretty hard to kill barring fire moves.
Hold everything!!
What's that you say?? Some threats might take significant damage - or God forbid be OHKO'd - switching into this guy?? Look at that number of checks! Who uses Crobat, Heatran, Jelicent, or Conkledurr, really?? And that's a pretty high Attack stat, backed up by good defenses too! It's not like that Speed matters, either, since he can take hits well! And he only really need Megahorn on the movepool, since Bug gets awesome coverage! You know what this adds up to?
Shubarugo (Excavalier) for Ubers! It's too powerful for OU with that Megahorn, and (more importantly) I don't like to deal with it!!1!
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In all seriousness, I enjoy using this thing. Other than the sheer awesome appearance of a knight and picturing it skewering things in a heartbeat with its lances (Megahorn), it's a great check to the many special threats re/emerging this metagame, like Lati@s (eats Draco Meteor for breakfast), Wobbuffett (check, since counter doesn't apply), and Reuniclus (the Uber, what with its no counters...). That Megahorn hurts badly. I love Icy Man's set and have been playing around with it online. I do something that sounds stupid - use him in conjunction with Droughttales. I'd never keep him in on a (predicted) Fire attack anyway, and the pseudo-Water-resistance is awesome for taking on stupid stuff like Jellicent, some Heidrigon (sp?) locked in Surf, and other bulky waters.
Fun to use, overall, and is a somewhat "new" threat people aren't thinking much about at this point.
EDIT - 100th post, woot. Power to the lurkers!
If you people take my Ubers comment seriously, I may be reduced to tears.
What's that you say?? Some threats might take significant damage - or God forbid be OHKO'd - switching into this guy?? Look at that number of checks! Who uses Crobat, Heatran, Jelicent, or Conkledurr, really?? And that's a pretty high Attack stat, backed up by good defenses too! It's not like that Speed matters, either, since he can take hits well! And he only really need Megahorn on the movepool, since Bug gets awesome coverage! You know what this adds up to?
Shubarugo (Excavalier) for Ubers! It's too powerful for OU with that Megahorn, and (more importantly) I don't like to deal with it!!1!
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In all seriousness, I enjoy using this thing. Other than the sheer awesome appearance of a knight and picturing it skewering things in a heartbeat with its lances (Megahorn), it's a great check to the many special threats re/emerging this metagame, like Lati@s (eats Draco Meteor for breakfast), Wobbuffett (check, since counter doesn't apply), and Reuniclus (the Uber, what with its no counters...). That Megahorn hurts badly. I love Icy Man's set and have been playing around with it online. I do something that sounds stupid - use him in conjunction with Droughttales. I'd never keep him in on a (predicted) Fire attack anyway, and the pseudo-Water-resistance is awesome for taking on stupid stuff like Jellicent, some Heidrigon (sp?) locked in Surf, and other bulky waters.
Fun to use, overall, and is a somewhat "new" threat people aren't thinking much about at this point.
EDIT - 100th post, woot. Power to the lurkers!
If you people take my Ubers comment seriously, I may be reduced to tears.
There is something wrong with that quote because I never said Burungeru/Roopushin/Crobat are good counters to it let alone the lol uber defense sponginess of Gengar. If you look at my Shubarago posts, I happen to love him and think he's kick-butt awesome and I like Swords Dance (and just found out Rock Smash does have a small situational usage on Choice Band, absolutely pointless without it). I must say I didn't think about him in Sun (even better at taking water) but that's pretty cool too even though most Burungeru couldn't have killed his sub anyhow with Boiling Water.
Who is Hydregion?
Lol, Fat Fluffy Otters. You know it's messed up because that's not my name. I don't know what's up with the quote things.
Who is Hydregion?
Lol, Fat Fluffy Otters. You know it's messed up because that's not my name. I don't know what's up with the quote things.
I still didn't say that, Forsety did and I quoted him. Just to be clear.
There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the quote... I just copypasta'd your post and cut around that sentence to what I needed. And I hate how it quotes you as "Fat" as well. Like you, I love this little bug thingy with a passion, and am glad I get to use him well when he's holding that Band of his for insta-power. And I managed to spell Hydreigon wrong, but it's the English name for Sazandora. I'm trying to become familiar with the English names... To little avail...
Another thing I've found is rather effective on the team I'm currently running CB Excavalier on(I sound like I should be selling something, don't I?) is to pair him with another strong physical attacker. They each break open physical walls for the other to finally KO. I use CB Haxorus, personally, since his Outrages and Double Chops maim even the bulkiest of walls and resists.
Another thing I've found is rather effective on the team I'm currently running CB Excavalier on(I sound like I should be selling something, don't I?) is to pair him with another strong physical attacker. They each break open physical walls for the other to finally KO. I use CB Haxorus, personally, since his Outrages and Double Chops maim even the bulkiest of walls and resists.
You mean Gengar can come in on megahorn so he can die to pursuit next turn?
Wait I'm confused on how Pursuit took down Gliscor but ouch, +2 Life Orb Iron Head is an ohko after Stealth Rock on those Gliscor that don't invest in defense like they should and does over 80% on even defense invested Gliscors and that can easily clear the way for other things.
He probably hit it with an iron head, the opponent realized he couldn't wall it and switched out, but he predicted the switch, so he went with pursuit and Gliscor died regardless.
Forget to say that. Pursuit is just filler for mega and iron head.
Also Jelly IS NOT OVERATTED. If i must say whos overatted NATTREI is. Yeah Pringles isnt as bulky as we at first think of but he IS really bulky AND great(easily my MVP in most team) while Nattrei is so overatted that everyone start to think he is broken while he in actuality is VERY abusable if we know HOW to and believe me, abusing nattrei is fun AND provitable.
BTW life orb starmie HP fire to 252 HP atk Adamant shubarugo
91.9% - 109.3%
Careful
66.3% - 79.1%
Also Jelly IS NOT OVERATTED. If i must say whos overatted NATTREI is. Yeah Pringles isnt as bulky as we at first think of but he IS really bulky AND great(easily my MVP in most team) while Nattrei is so overatted that everyone start to think he is broken while he in actuality is VERY abusable if we know HOW to and believe me, abusing nattrei is fun AND provitable.
BTW life orb starmie HP fire to 252 HP atk Adamant shubarugo
91.9% - 109.3%
Careful
66.3% - 79.1%
The only thing that holds this guy down is his lacking move pool. It just makes him so predictable. Everybody posted the same exact set in this thread, with a few minor changes.
Iron Head
Megahorn/X-Scissor
Return
Pursuit
Swords Dance/Substitute.
This seems to be the most talked about sets... If you are really pressing for more moves, add in maybe the very rare and occasional Poison Jab or Faint attack, or perhaps even Reversal... Then you can usually pretty quickly tell if it is running Choice Band or Life Orb, seeing if he takes damage on his attack...
Sadly, he is limited... But he is still great. Those stats are scary. Surely one day he will end up getting his move pool grow with Gray whenever it comes out... Watch him come flying in with Bullet Punch, Gyroball, and... I don't know... Cross Chop or something scary along those lines.
He is still too slow... By the time you set up, they will send in something with a 4x SE fire attack. I mean, you may get 1 kill, but you'll get revenged pretty quick.
Iron Head
Megahorn/X-Scissor
Return
Pursuit
Swords Dance/Substitute.
This seems to be the most talked about sets... If you are really pressing for more moves, add in maybe the very rare and occasional Poison Jab or Faint attack, or perhaps even Reversal... Then you can usually pretty quickly tell if it is running Choice Band or Life Orb, seeing if he takes damage on his attack...
Sadly, he is limited... But he is still great. Those stats are scary. Surely one day he will end up getting his move pool grow with Gray whenever it comes out... Watch him come flying in with Bullet Punch, Gyroball, and... I don't know... Cross Chop or something scary along those lines.
He is still too slow... By the time you set up, they will send in something with a 4x SE fire attack. I mean, you may get 1 kill, but you'll get revenged pretty quick.
Can we get Earthquake and Flare Blitz while we're at it.