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Attitude problems
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but then the shit will just keep flying out of his mouth
lol the only people who complain about smogon being elitist are shit players that suck at pokemon that throw the ad hominem argument around because they're bad. most people will acknowledge that smogon (really, any competitive community) is elitist to some extent.
tom brady is better than you at football. michael phelps is better than you at swimming. and yeah, they know it. you can't expect to chill with the new england patriots the first day you play football, you have to get better to do that, or you can treat them with respect and learn your place. it's the same here, don't expect that every user will be sugary-sweet towards you. you have to earn your own place. i personally believe the slight elitism that we show allows us to cull the bad players from the community, as well as making sure people who aren't really suited for the community don't waste their time trying to get into it. if anybody could become a professional sportsperson/lawyer/etc we'd have some serious issues wouldn't we
tom brady is better than you at football. michael phelps is better than you at swimming. and yeah, they know it. you can't expect to chill with the new england patriots the first day you play football, you have to get better to do that, or you can treat them with respect and learn your place. it's the same here, don't expect that every user will be sugary-sweet towards you. you have to earn your own place. i personally believe the slight elitism that we show allows us to cull the bad players from the community, as well as making sure people who aren't really suited for the community don't waste their time trying to get into it. if anybody could become a professional sportsperson/lawyer/etc we'd have some serious issues wouldn't we
This line stands out as questionable. It makes one curious about your actual depth of knowledge on the subject.
A FLAMER has the goal to FLAME. How is this accomplished? Annoying the other person. A flamer/troll's sole goal is to annoy someone and elicit a reaction. If the other person didn't get annoyed he would be unsuccessful and thus he would change his actions.
Anyone with a dedicated intent to flame has the primary objective of annoy target and create an impact or draw a result.
It is not the person's fault for being insulted, you can't just act like serial trolls or rude people are sitting there blameless for knowingly taking negative action against someone. lol how clueless, yes some people are easily offended and could use to shrug things off, but when a person's INTENT is to offend them, is it REALLY their fault for being insulted? Successful troll is successful exists for a reason.
What if the troll strikes a nerve? Example:
troll: lol uR gay
troll: you loved suckin your dad's cock
troll-target was actually sexually abused by his father as a child
is it REALLY his fault for getting insulted because he was a sexual abuse victim? please.
what a good troll looks for is the weak point, the subject that their target will take most offense to and be hurt by most. once they find what they are particularly defensive about you focus on that. so please, continue saying it's the insulted's fault for taking offense because of a circumstance that happened to them and a flamer working to further chip their armour.
of course, the casual flamer/troll who just wants to post a bunch of stupid crap will likely not go to this depth (only a flamer seeking to single someone out) but that doesn't negate their casual tossing of "your mother never loved you that's why smogon SUCKS!!!" around, to someone whose mother walked out on them. anything specifically targeted or said in general will still garner offense in someone who has suffered an unfortunate experience and it is by no means their fault they have a 'weak skin' about said subject.
not everyone has the mental stamina to get over it and make jokes about it, that is a coping mechanism some people use but it does not help everyone. most people aren't overly affected but a flamer trying to provoke their reaction will still do it, you can say "IT'S JUST A TROLL DON'T TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY" but even on the internet I think everyone knows verbal abuse, mockery and trolling can still leave the thought in someone's mind or bother them.
with that out of the way:
having been a member of (and trolled) SPPf, BMGF and Smogon, Smogon's moderation system is the most lenient and, I think, the most fair. BMGF mods are not only too stupid to IP ban but they are also extremely biased. Anything you say if they don't like you can be twisted into a ban or infract-worthy post and they do favor their friends.
SPPf has Nazi-tier mods who go on vehement witch hunts and stalk users to try and justify their obsessions with permabanning. They'll badger other moderators into agreeing with them or at least not speaking up so they can get their way, they will forge anything they believe they can get away with and they will infract for the most mundane things, no matter what, if they don't like you. If they can twist it enough to make it seem to have a trolling motive, they will infract you if they don't like you, for whatever inane arbitrary reason they hold onto, year after year.
Smogon is more lax and the general rule is if you troll, be prepared to be trolled back and accept it, to me. Some people can whine enough to get their way but for the most part mods act if someone is getting out of line and they KNOW they are acting out of line, or someone is legitimately stupid. The community is dedicated to competitive battling, as opposed to SPPf and BMGF which feature anime discussion, manga discussion, fanfic sections and etc. (lololol @ terrible facets of society), yes there is the sense that if you aren't into competitive battling Smogon isn't for you, because outside of Circus Maximus and here, there's limited potential for other Pokemon discussion.
But as a whole it's tolerable. At least it doesn't have the Nazi SPPf mods who sit around stalking peoples' profiles and reading their every posts trying to justify their fetish for permabans. Which, by the way, they usually lack evidence for and any demand to provide evidence results in an angry "YOU'RE BIASED SHUT UP" defense. gr8 forum.
tl;dr smogon has better moderation than the other forums and honestly, because it infracts for a lot less than 'you're really just too stupid to function', a lot more slips through than any butthurt SPPf/Bulba mod would let slide (unless you've sucked their dick enough to get them in your favor), so it is to be expected you'll see more 'trolling' etc. on Smogon. But you can do it too!
to anyone who thinks this is hypocrisy because I am MEAN INTERNET GIRL yeah I admit it, but I also don't think that's any justification to put no blame on MEAN INTERNET HATE MACHINES for their actions just because "it's the internet your skin should be the thickness of five planetary systems" nor does it phase me when equal levels of trolling are either permitted or not permitted on all sides. not to mention I have been just a regular member as well participating and not exclusively out to destroy someone.
and the best thing a troll can have is a legacy.. people still having a cry about them even after months of little to no direct interaction.
Guys, you are going off on a tangent.
Stop horsing around and get back on the original topic.
Stop horsing around and get back on the original topic.
Yea this thread has become a great example of what I am objecting to :P That shit about hazerider? Not even relevant. Just people wanting to make random unnecessary posts. Contrary to what you all think, i am NOT just trying to annoy you. I am actually trying to point something out that I think should at least be taken into consideration.
I've seen a lot of hostility towards members. But they generally deserve it, if not always to the extent they recieve it. I can't recall any notable instances of it happening to me, so it can't be that hard to avoid.
You don't even need to be good at Pokemon-- some of our most popular members aren't even avid players. DJD (the guy who runs this site)? Jumpluff? These are not all-star Pokemon players topping the ladder. Not to mention all the players who stopped off at this or that generation.
All you really need to be liked is a) Hard Work b) Some Exercised Tact and c) A bit of humility. You know, be cool and be appreciated-- just like any other small community (or any community really). What you give is what you get essentially. Put a little thought into what you can do, that really would be appreciated, by the community. It's even easier here since most contribution methods are outlined!
If you are a bad ass Pokemon player, you can cross out the need for one of the above.
All you really need to be liked is a) Hard Work b) Some Exercised Tact and c) A bit of humility. You know, be cool and be appreciated-- just like any other small community (or any community really). What you give is what you get essentially. Put a little thought into what you can do, that really would be appreciated, by the community. It's even easier here since most contribution methods are outlined!
If you are a bad ass Pokemon player, you can cross out the need for one of the above.
If you're going to criticize, offer some solutions. What exactly do you propose we do to alleviate this "problem" you say we have? I'm dead serious, I'd like to hear your input. You don't seem like a doofus, so I'll assume you have reasons to back up these claims. How do we make Smogon less "elitist" in your eyes?
PS - Chou I know this is late, but I'm glad to see you're alright with everything going on over there. Wish you and your countrymen well.
OP you dont have to be here you know. PO has a forum just like this with there own tiers. latios and scizor are uu and kingler is uber. You just have to come to grips that there are a lot of haters on this site that have no skill getting a social life.Man up and Deal with it or leave.Now your just crying OP. Most of the people that the community picks on do it among themselves . Look at the war stories in dragoncylinder tower. Full of non stop trolling from users who have no experience. Stop crying or leave noone gives a flyin fuck its over 50000 peeps on this forum and about a good 40 that can really be elitist. other than that its the nature of the game. people talk shit.
having a legacy of being a completely hateful cunt who everyone dislikes and pettily, relentlessly mocks the appearance of is definitely the way to live
quit whining
ironic, coming from me
man i don't even understand this image
why would he take off his glasses just to put on an entirely new set of glasses, especially considering the original ones were perfect for the message he was trying to get across
I wouldn't say master troll... more like extremely delusional.
I guess coz they're 8-bit. I was thinking this too when I looked at it but then again, aside from Deagle with it and Spheal with it, this was the only pokemon one.
it's seed flare time
You're in the wrong subforum if you're offended by "random" "silly" posts, op buddy. a forum is here for a reason. It isn't for serious discussion of pokemon or anything else for the most part.
Though your response to the hazerider comment, which you obviously didnt understand, leads me to believe that the problem is more that you dont like the fact you apparently dont fit in here more than anything else. The site isnt going to change to fit you.
actually we were JUST discussing the enigma that is the fact he hasnt found a way to get himself banned for like a million years the other day
Though your response to the hazerider comment, which you obviously didnt understand, leads me to believe that the problem is more that you dont like the fact you apparently dont fit in here more than anything else. The site isnt going to change to fit you.
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actually we were JUST discussing the enigma that is the fact he hasnt found a way to get himself banned for like a million years the other day
Perhaps I am wrong..
But most smogonites seem to be happy with the community as it is; therefore why change?
So, Skymin_Flower, could you give examples of these insulting, 'bashing-worthy' posts that have riled you up so much? I would be very interested to see them so that I can deal with them accordingly if they're in any of the forums I moderate. Show me some and I might just be swayed, but for the moment I think you're just buying into a long-outdated stereotype. In future, don't make outlandish, potentially inflammatory claims without providing some kind of evidence to back them up (hint: post links) because take it from me, you'll get fucking bashed. Ironic that, isn't it.
So, there's your challenge. Provide some links to thread or posts to back up the following
I'm going to badger you until you attempt this btw because, as a moderator who has spent the last 3 years being as helpful and polite as possible, I have taken this as something of a personal insult.
So, there's your challenge. Provide some links to thread or posts to back up the following
Obviously, don't bother posting anything from a forum or Firebot because, uh, they are essentially humour forums where a lot of stuff posted shouldn't be taken seriously and if you don't like them, don't visit them.
I'm going to badger you until you attempt this btw because, as a moderator who has spent the last 3 years being as helpful and polite as possible, I have taken this as something of a personal insult.
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