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np: OU Suspect Testing Round 5 - Sandstorm (Excadrill/Thundurus Banned)

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lol I got my post deleted before I could edit it. Too slow.

While I do love seeing fucking Excadrill banned, I'm not sure I'm gonna like the amount of hazards everywhere, as Spikes is fucking easy to set up in this metagame and Excadrill was the only true flawless Spinner. I'd rather have a metagame filled with hazards to the brim than with Excadrill, though, so I'm okay with this.

And to everyone saying the community is banhappy for supermajoritying (wat) a pokémon voted OU four times, you have to remember no one used Adamant LO back then. Yes, you may say it isn't broken either, or that it's worse than Jolly Balloon, but you do have to admit there has been a change in the metagame for Excadrill, after all. And that's completely ignoring Round 1 was a gigantic clusterfuck with Deoxys-A allowed and Round 2 had Swift Swimmers everywhere, so if anything, Excadrill being nominated even there shows how much of a (BAN ME PLEASE) it was going to be in the future.


ThriceElite said:
Question: Zapdos was sent to UU because Thundurus outclassed it. Now that Thundurus is banned, what are the chances of Zapdos becoming OU again?
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It didn't. Zapdos and Thundurus play completely different roles. But sure, now that the best Electric/Flying got itself banned, people will try using Zapdos again.
 
Scarfwynaut said:
What? Zapdos was at best a surprise sweeper at best, its main job is as a wall, Thundurus was is real sweeper. But with Excadrill gone, one may theory mon that Zapdos useage may rise (+2 rock slide hurts), high enough to be OU? Only time will tell.

@Kurashi: bulk? Sandslash is more bulky then excadrill
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Physical bulk yes, but NOT special bulk and you'd also have to include the fact that Excadrill's typing gives it far more resistances than Sandslash. So in general Excadrill's Bulk is far better than Sandslash's.
 
zapdos was always better than thundie anyways, roost over nasty plot and heat wave over f-blast any day.

Oh yeah, and no more exca! No more reason to use hippowdon, ever...


JK!
 
why should sand teams be less used when you know that ttar is the best check to lati@s, that he is one of the best scarfed pokemon, that he is really important in stall teams to trap and that he can occasionnaly be a not bad dancer ?

Seriously, and i'm not even talking about terrakion and landorus, so no matter for sand teams.
 
Well the most common Tyranitar set: Crunch, Fire Blast, Ice Beam, Stealth Rock, is designed to assist an Excadrill sweep for one. Secondly, sun and rain just became more prominent, with sand losing arguably its best abuser. Will sand drop like crazy? No. Like you said, Tyranitar is one of the best pokemon in the game and you can expect him to remain in the top 5. Will Terrakion and Landorus or anyone in OU be able to fill Excadrill's void? Absolutely not. Sandlash? good luck sweeping with base 100 attack.
 
Yes ttar will remain in the top 5 OU and landorus and terrakion are still 2 main arguments to use sand, i don't make any worry about this.

Terrakion and landorus are also two exellent chechs to sun teams and nite multi-scale.

With excadrill ban, it will be finally possible to play scarfed mons (exept landorus which was already used) and gives the metagame way more balanced.

Well, this is only good news.
 
Anyone else think Gliscor usage will drop now, with Excadrill banned? I'm personally hoping it does, I hate that thing.

And, finally, no Thundurus!
 
I'm going to call a no on Gliscor dropping. Why? This:

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Poison Heal
Impish
252 Hp/ 176 Def/ 80 Spe
- Substitute
- Protect
- Toxic
- Earthquake

With the banning of Excadrill, Gliscor no longer needs to carry Ice Fang on every set just to break the Air Balloon. Instead, it can now become one of the best stallers in the game. With Substitute, Protect and Poison Heal, Gliscor can heal off all the self inflicted damage from Substitute within two turns. These two turns are killed off by Substitute+Protect, giving you an infinite stall chain against every pokemon without Taunt. Coupled with Toxic, and you've got yourself a monster staller. The best part about this is that most pokemon that are immune to Toxic are hit hard by Earthquake. The only exceptions being Skarmory, Bronzong, and Breloom. I anticipate this set will soon overtake SD+EQ+Ice Fang+Protect as the standard Gliscor. Perhaps allowing Gliscor to retain its spot as a top 10 poke in the metagame.
 
Doesn't that set lose to any steel with a balloon? Excadrill isn't the only one with a Balloon...

EDIT: Gengar? Other Gliscor?

I'm guessing that the standard set will still be some kind of SD set.
 
Aleva said:
Doesn't that set lose to any steel with a balloon? Excadrill isn't the only one with a Balloon...

EDIT: Gengar?
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Why would any steel types besides maybe Heatran have a reason to run an Air Balloon anymore?

Gengar was a fail on my part, but you get the picture, its a moster stall machine.
 
New World Order said:
I'm going to call a no on Gliscor dropping. Why? This:

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Poison Heal
Impish
252 Hp/ 176 Def/ 80 Spe
- Substitute
- Protect
- Toxic
- Earthquake

With the banning of Excadrill, Gliscor no longer needs to carry Ice Fang on every set just to break the Air Balloon. Instead, it can now become one of the best stallers in the game. With Substitute, Protect and Poison Heal, Gliscor can heal off all the self inflicted damage from Substitute within two turns. These two turns are killed off by Substitute+Protect, giving you an infinite stall chain against every pokemon without Taunt. Coupled with Toxic, and you've got yourself a monster staller. The best part about this is that most pokemon that are immune to Toxic are hit hard by Earthquake. The only exceptions being Skarmory, Bronzong, and Breloom. I anticipate this set will soon overtake SD+EQ+Ice Fang+Protect as the standard Gliscor. Perhaps allowing Gliscor to retain its spot as a top 10 poke in the metagame.
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Yea, I'm about to use him on a sand stall team. Say hello to the next most annoying Pokemon.
 
New World Order said:
I'm going to call a no on Gliscor dropping. Why? This:

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Poison Heal
Impish
252 Hp/ 176 Def/ 80 Spe
- Substitute
- Protect
- Toxic
- Earthquake

With the banning of Excadrill, Gliscor no longer needs to carry Ice Fang on every set just to break the Air Balloon. Instead, it can now become one of the best stallers in the game. With Substitute, Protect and Poison Heal, Gliscor can heal off all the self inflicted damage from Substitute within two turns. These two turns are killed off by Substitute+Protect, giving you an infinite stall chain against every pokemon without Taunt. Coupled with Toxic, and you've got yourself a monster staller. The best part about this is that most pokemon that are immune to Toxic are hit hard by Earthquake. The only exceptions being Skarmory, Bronzong, and Breloom. I anticipate this set will soon overtake SD+EQ+Ice Fang+Protect as the standard Gliscor. Perhaps allowing Gliscor to retain its spot as a top 10 poke in the metagame.
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Hello my name is Reuniclus. Without me you'd no doubt be the most annoying this this generation has EVER HAD TO FUCKING OFFER!

Seriously though, this set gives me shivers. This set makes me think prankster pokemon will be coming back soon. Whimsicott smacks this set around with priority taunt and EQ resist. Sableye priority taunts and W-o-W's you (though I doubt it'll break a sub so easily) Tornadus priority taunts and is completely immune to the one attacking move this set uses.
 
Don't forget that that set is set-up fodder for a whole host of dangerous threats. I'm thinking SubCM Latias, SubRoost Dragonite, Reuinclus and any version of Swords Dance Gliscor. It also can't really do a thing to Skarmory who can switch in, set up and phaze you whenever it feels like it. Ferrothorn is like 8HKO'd by EQ and can set up hazards too. It beats Rotom-W with ease which is pretty impressive for any Gliscor set but it's not without it's problems.
 
Lee said:
Don't forget that that set is set-up fodder for a whole host of dangerous threats. I'm thinking SubCM Latias, SubRoost Dragonite, Reuinclus and any version of Swords Dance Gliscor. It also can't really do a thing to Skarmory who can switch in, set up and phaze you whenever it feels like it. Ferrothorn is like 8HKO'd by EQ and can set up hazards too. It beats Rotom-W with ease which is pretty impressive for any Gliscor set but it's not without it's problems.
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SubCM Latias Rotom-W and SubRoost Dragonite(to a lesser extent mind you) can be taken down by toxic stall.
 
While we're discussing Gliscor vs Rotom-W:
+2 Adamant 252 Atk Gliscor Flight Gem Acrobatics vs 4 HP Rotom-W: 93% - 109.1%
Food for thought.
 
I'ved used that set alot, it's pretty excellent. Protect and poison heal lets things this just get all of its health back. But as said it is walled and counter swept by alot of things. Luckily you have 5 other pokemon. Things like Dragonite and Terrakion are great for bring skarmory down.

edit the sub toxic one.
 
I decide to see whats happening in bans..., and woah thunderus AND excadrill. I never thought i'd see this day. Ugh my best team used thunderus to fend off rain. Now....I have to go 2.....gastrodon asdfg. And seriously excadrill. I never thought he was broken imo.
 
Tobes said:
While we're discussing Gliscor vs Rotom-W:
+2 Adamant 252 Atk Gliscor Flight Gem Acrobatics vs 4 HP Rotom-W: 93% - 109.1%
Food for thought.
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You don't need to give up on toxic orb to KO Rotom. A +2 facade will 100% OHKO offensive Rotom while doing a minimum of 93% to the standard 128 HP ones.
 
ShakeItUp said:
Unless you Toxic them on the switch, both sub CM Latias and SubRoost Dragonite outspeed and set up on Gliscor.
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Dragonite needs a mountain of Speed EVs to outspeed Gliscor, and now with Excadrill gone, Gliscor is probably more free to run Speed instead of stacking it all in defense.
 
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