A 6 year-old sex offender: where reason ends before the law

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Recently a 6 year old was charged with first degree sexual assault for playing doctor with a 5 year old girl in Grant County, Wisconsin. I wanted to make a thread discussing this because if you follow a few of the stories, there are several topics that are worth discussing. Penis. Since nobody has likely read the story, here's some relevant background info I've gathered from news sources:

Right now, the parents of the 6 year old are attempting to sue the Grant County District Attorney over the charges [Jacob Sollum, Reason].

According to JSOnline, the DA is being sued based on civil rights violations.

My main question that I wanted to get at is, what exactly is the point of doing this?

Many people interpret the legal system differently. People have complex moral systems that often oppose each other at the fundamental level. Not only do people argue over these moral differences however, they also argue over how collective morals should be enforced. Obviously sexual abuse, assault, pedophilia, rape, and other sexually-based offenses are considered especially heinous, and should be dealt with seriously, but how exactly should we deal with them with our legal system? If this is how, then something is wrong.

Our legal system isn't just based around rules, it's based around enforcement. Even though judges, lawyers, and law enforcement have a duty to interpret and uphold the law, values go into legislation, and they go into enforcing legislation. Becoming a criminal goes beyond breaking the law, you are only a criminal when people acknowledge and prosecute you for breaking the law.

My main argument is that even though people can claim to do things "just because the law says so," it's virtually impossible to enforce anything without making judgments about the nature of a crime and what is an isn't necessary to enforce.

And the day we put a 6 year old on the sex offender list for life is a day we decide to stop using that reason.
 
I could give you list after list of stupid laws that are still on the books from earlier times (mostly having to do with horses and such) but I'm not even going to do that.

Lets be real: if the kid was 12 or so I'd be more willing to say "well shit kid's in middle school, he has to have had sex ed sometime already, he should know this is completely unacceptable". However, this child was in preschool/kindergarden. I sincerely doubt there was any ulterior motive, as I'm sure every else in this topic agrees.

If anything this is more a reflection on how our nation has become one of litigation and conflict; you can't do anything anymore without pissing some nutjob off. Heck just today I read an article about how the Diocese of Providence (RI) was pissed off at our governor for calling the annual tree in our statehouse a "holiday tree". There was a group of carolers that interrupted a children's choir to loudly and rudely sing "O Christmas Tree".

In my opinion, the mother who brought forward charges should be forced to pay all legal fees and some sort of fine, and the DA who actually decided to prosecute this should be disbarred for life. It's unfortunate but I wouldn't want someone like that "serving" me if they don't have any trace of common sense.
 
People can sue for anything legally if they are stupid enough. (Actually there is a limit, a woman got fined for making repeat lawsuits against Obama for not being a native citizen)

I agree with Tennisace, the DA is an idiot.
 
The kid is 6. There is no point of turning a harmless action into a full blown legal action. For me, this goes right in with closing down kids lemonade stands because they don't have a permit.

But I guess anyone will do anything for money. Damn lawyers...
 
What the hell is "reason"

I love how people are actually making this a huge deal about two little kids, one of them 6 and the other 5, who were just playing and the boy had no intention whatsoever. Did the Penn State problem just "fly away"?
 
A six year old cannot even legally be a criminal, they are to young to have intent.

I don't know the laws of Wisconsin but I'm pretty sure this rule holds true almost everywhere.
 
all seriousness left this topic after reading the news story

"charging their son with first-degree sexual assault, a Class B felony, after he played "butt doctor" with a 5-year-old girl."
 
This doesn't surprise me because I know a guy who almost was registered as a sex offender for peeing outside. He got off because it was on his property and at night, but the fact that anyone could think that was a sexual offense is disturbing.
 
"butt doctor" is actually an extremely common game for people at the age of 5 to 6. I'm actually reading a book on child development and it specifically mentioned it.
 
Wow, reading that second article it seems like they totally fucked that kid's life up (what 6-year old has anxiety/depression/etc?). How sad and utterly ridiculous.... :(
 
Man what a boss.
I wish I had of been playing butt doctor with bitches when I was six.
 
The biggest issue is, the law normally doesn't take anything like reason into account. Lawyers, DAs, and judges only look at the laws side, and the law side only except in rare circumstances.

I'm not sure on how I want to react to this. From the law's perspective, technically the DA and the mother of the child is still in the right. I looked at Wisconson's law and here's what it states, taken from the Wisconson law PDFs - Clickie
Whoever does any of the following is guilty of a Class B felony:
(a) Has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with another person without consent of that person and causes pregnancy or great
bodily harm to that person.
(b) Has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with another person without consent of that person by use or threat of use of a dangerous weapon or any article used or fashioned in a manner to lead
the victim reasonably to believe it to be a dangerous weapon.
(c) Is aided or abetted by one or more other persons and has
sexual contact or sexual intercourse with another person without
consent of that person by use or threat of force or violence.
Presently, [in sub. (5) (a)] the definition of
“sexual intercourse” in the sexual assault statute includes any intrusion of any part
of a person’s body or of any object into the genital or anal opening of another person.
This proposal clarifies that the intrusion of the body part or object may be caused by
the direct act of the offender (defendant) or may occur as a result of an act by the victim which is done in compliance with instructions of the offender (defendant). [Bill
630−S]
I want everyone to keep in mind that I think the DA is sick, and probably one of the (if the only) reason(s) that this case is even being heard of is because its the daughter of a politician, of course. Notice how the brother also wasn't charged - granted, he is the brother of the daughter, but that seems a little bit hypocritical when both the DA nor Moravits of Grant County Social Services. Sergeant James Kopp also recommended placing charges on D, but not the brother. I'd also like to point out a few things:
Sergeant Kopp, in a campaign to harass "D" and his parents, especially
because they (Plaintiffs) retained counsel, threatened Plaintiffs with arrest (on
baseless allegations unrelated to First Degree Sexual Assault) and caused an
addition of charges against D.
Presently, the Plaintiff asserts that the prosecutor is implying that if the
Plaintiff parents do not sign a Consent Decree, she (DA Riniker) will seek removal
of the couple's children, including D, from the family home.
(19) Plaintiffs recognize DA Riniker's Absolute Immunity as well as her Qualified
Immunity. The matters for which Plaintiff parents seek liability of DA Rinker,
relate to actions taken by the prosecutor not within her prosecutorial function.
Other alleged actions by the prosecutor were investigatory in nature; therefore, it
is the position of Plaintiffs, that the prosecutor is entitled to argue for qualified
immunity not absolute immunity.
Honestly, I'm a person who wishes to use the law to protect people like anyone else, but within the last... year, probably, I've found most of the laws and court cases in our country down right sickening. And I'm going to teach everyone in here a valuable lesson when it comes to anyone such as yourselves or loved ones being arrested.

If you're arrested, don't talk to the police please. Exercise your 5th Amendment, and get a fucking lawyer.

Honestly, I'm with Fishy. I only hope to leave the shit hole once I am able to. I find it more and more disappointing to be from here everyday.
 
From the first article:
reason.com said:
The lawsuit says that once he turns 18, he will be listed as a sex offender.
This is just... outrageous. They're making a kid pay for the rest of his life by marking him as a sex offender because he was playing? I mean, neither of the kids know that this could be considered a "sexual assault"; hell, they have no idea what sex even IS. And now he suffers from all kinds of psychological issues (see second article). Well done, Wisconsin, this is disgusting.
Poor boy.

Also, the mother of the girl is just heartless.
On a less serious note, stealth penis, wtf.
 
Honestly, this isn't the first time that an old law has been reenacted for the sake of some ridiculous motives.

It all really boils down to politics, if you read other sources. The parents of the girl in question are very politically involved in their area, which is why this farce has gone on for so long. In fact, the girl's brother was involved as well. Obviously he wasn't charged.

Also, the boy recently had some rectal exams where the doctors did the same act that he replicated on the girl. Is a six year old supposed to be held morally and intellectually responsible for something like this? Obviously he couldn't have known that it was wrong for him to do such a thing.

Seriously America. You're charging a six year old with sexual offense because one of the parties involved is a "major political figure." How can you not be ashamed?
 
All I can think about with this article is: "Man what if this kid really wanted to be a doctor, how is he going to be one now?"

Good work over-reactive parents, maybe if you payed attention to what your kids were doing you could have prevented this if you felt it was inappropriate.
 
I just got off the phone with kid's lawyer, and he's gonna get back to me tomorrow with a target and goal for a Change.Org petition. If you guys are as pissed off as I am, then I guess you won't mind helping me sign and spread it around. Anyway, I'll keep you posted.
 
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