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Lol I know Karma shouldn't be played support but still putting her lower than Tier 2 is pretty harsh.

EDIT: In other news I have now dabbled in support Teemo. I go AP and level Q first for maximum get the fuck away from my ad carry. Yes AP Teemo sucks and cs shouldn't be wasted on it, but on a support I actually felt better with this Teemo than any other. Ward the whole map and lock down the enemy jungle, plus blinding dart really ain't shabby in a team fight. The crippling downside to this build is that my assists (and thus my gold and worse my exp) don't at all properly represent what I'm doing for my team. Bright side is people get rubbish gold for killing me, and they do get so out of position when trying (leading to 2 for 1s on a regular basis).
 
vonFiedler said:
Lol I know Karma shouldn't be played support but still putting her lower than Tier 2 is pretty harsh.
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Yeah, looking back at the list this morning, you're right. I was being really biased with Morgana/Karma/Nidalee/Zilean placements because they're all so much better in solo lanes, but I mean that can be said for 90% of the champions below Tier 1 too.

Maybe something like moving Morgana/Karma/Nidalee/Zilean to the top of Tier 3 at least, maybe low Tier 2, and moving Amumu/Volibear/Shen down to Tier 4 to balance it out or something
 
oh boy i missed all the retardedness about vayne

personally I run full AD marks/quints on her because you can afford to do that now and not run armor pen reds since the offense tree is so strong and does contain percentile based armor pen. in addition vayne's late game damage is so true-damage heavy that you usually won't even have to go for a last whisper.

i've been building her the doublelift way - typical opening is doran's blade, doran's blade, zerker's, vamp scepter, then a fast bloodthirster and farm until you can 1v5 their team

refer to my game with pookar and marth for an example (not the one where I went full retard though ;_;)

Phiddlesticks said:
Out of the champs I haven't been able to try yet, Lux/Galio/Yorick and maybe Shaco will most likely end up in middle/lower Tier 2, the rest probably in Tier 3 or lower. But who knows, maybe one of them will be a pleasant surprise (like Warwick or LeBlanc)

Has anyone tried and/or had any success with unconventional support champs? I like playing the support role but sometimes get bored of using the Big 5, so I try out new stuff in normals to spice things up a bit
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support yorick is surprisingly effective. elementz uses it a lot in tournament play with CRS. he's got decent poke but the killer is having a double AD carry late-game. two caitlyns pounding on your team hurts.
 
@Phiddlesticks: I would put Lux in the middle/top of Tier 2. She has her bind, and her E can be used to check bushes and zone the enemy during laning phase. And she has a shield, though it doesn't give any steroids like Janna's shield does.
I heard that the EU forums are buzzing with support LeBlanc ideas.
 
the problem is Trinity Force isn't a fucking "optional item". it's part of your core or don't bother dropping 4k on it unless you suck too much to carry a game and it gets to the 60 minute mark
 
triforce is okay i mean i'd much rather have BT/I-Edge/PD/QSS

I've been moderating MOBAFire for over a year now and I'm well aware that there are flaws in its voting system and that guides will get up to high rankings that simply don't deserve to be there.

There are extremely high quality guides there - unfortunately, not all of them are.
 
HD said:
the problem is Trinity Force isn't a fucking "optional item". it's part of your core or don't bother dropping 4k on it unless you suck too much to carry a game and it gets to the 60 minute mark
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the problem is your a fucking idiot cuz it was? it was a thirty minute game and we were killing them..i dont understand how hard is it to comprehend this? i bought it after cleaver and infinity edge to maximize tumble damage...thats it we won the game regardless.
 
Jebus McAzn said:
triforce is okay i mean i'd much rather have BT/I-Edge/PD/QSS

I've been moderating MOBAFire for over a year now and I'm well aware that there are flaws in its voting system and that guides will get up to high rankings that simply don't deserve to be there.

There are extremely high quality guides there - unfortunately, not all of them are.
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thats cool i was never here to debate builds i was simply backing my own build up.
 
bt would've been better due to it helping everything, and out of Trinity Force you literally only use the Sheen proc, health, small amount of ad (20 iirc?) and speed I guess? bt on the other hand gives 100 ad and 25% lifesteal; all of which help vayne so much more than buying a 4k item for a proc and some ad/health

stop being retarded

edit: feel free to edit your posts, the edit button is the first button on the bottom right of your post

another edit: a core is: boots+laning item+first 'big item' (iedge for ad carries, deathcap or rod for ap carries) and you get those items pretty much every game

buying an item as your fourth/fifth thirty minutes into the game means it is sure as fuck not core
 
jonnyrolo said:
i never said it wasnt "optional". you should always get the core items first then build tri force if you want to...meanwhile pookar or supermarth riticuled me for buying it(even after my core items were completed) while it is listed as an optional item on BOTH guides posted.
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did you fail to read this part HD?
 
my problem is that triforce ISN'T optional - it's either a core item, 60 min item, or a no go

the problem is Trinity Force isn't a fucking "optional item". it's part of your core or don't bother dropping 4k on it unless you suck too much to carry a game and it gets to the 60 minute mark
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feel free to read my posts

it's also not as good on Vayne as BT//PD/whatever
 
fair enough. your problem is your problem i guess. but it was an optional item that game i played. i had managed to get a black cleaver by the 13 minute marker and basically feed off there entire team since i got the cleaver so early. infinite edge came pretty fast not sure how fast though and i thought triforce would be better then bloodthirster seeing as how i alrdy had 6 lifesteal from dorans blades and we were most certainly gonna win regardless.all in all it wasnt as good a choice over say a BT or a PD but given the circumstances I believed it worked out just fine. And it is most certainly not a choice to be riticule worthy especially if its in guides anyways and isnt totally out of the question of building. i will again say im not here to debate different vayne builds but my build (runes and black cleaver) is not totally out of the question or something to be riticuled over.
 
ive never seen you play and fort that reason im going to regret this, but if you are "destroying" people with those shitty builds, please try a "better" one and scrape even harder, because the first item vayne should rush is BT, not cleaver. cleaver second MAYBE but bt first
 
People were too busy disregarding mobafire to notice that jonnyrolo's "#1 voted guide" actually has a pathetic 68% approval rate with 7 thumbs up, as opposed to the actual #1 guide's 619. So now jonnyrolo is a liar too.

I'd be ok with Black Cleaver being a matter of taste if its stats were just slightly better.
 
Was BC better when it had... I think it was 75 AD and no attack speed? I've never actually used it before I played Vayne outside of two bot games as Renekton.
 
pookar said:
ive never seen you play and fort that reason im going to regret this, but if you are "destroying" people with those shitty builds, please try a "better" one and scrape even harder, because the first item vayne should rush is BT, not cleaver. cleaver second MAYBE but bt first
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im gonna try this, but i first need Flat AD quints.MR blues on vayne or just more AD?

Edit: Nvm Im just gonna use MR
 
chaox says go wriggle's into cleaver or just rush cleaver if you're having a VERY STRONG EARLY GAME in order to basically destroy your lane opponents and carry harder.

however BT rush into PD is more standard and lets you reach doublelift potential mid-game and literally 1v4 their whole team

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI531JMhicg

11:00 for an example
 
I've always had fun with Ez, but it's dawning on me that's he's neither strong early or late game. The goal of the ranged carry is to do as much damage as possible while not getting killed, Ez can position for that better than anyone. But he just doesn't have the oomph he needs, it takes him too long to charge his passive.
 
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