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The real correct way to play Veigar is as a pure tank.

Burst down any mage.

Kill squishies in 3 hits of your low CD Q.

Initiating with that stun is game breaking.
 
Got my first pentakill yesterday as Renekton in a ranked game. Won my lane against Tryndabutts easily enough coming out 4/1, and snowballed through mid-game to 14/2. Me and Mundo are by ourselves at mid (team had backed after baron) and we initaite on the baiting Trynd (He had just used his ult and was at half, I was fed so fuck it, I bit). I E W Q'd him to death instantly as the enemy team comes out from dragon. Mundo and I run in with our Ults turned on, but he gets ignited and after beating on Urgot a bit gets killed. My Ashe ulted from base apparently and catches basically all of them in the damage since they were all on top of me, so I fury powered E over all of them and then rage empowered Q'd them and got another 2 in that one swing for the Triple. I auto attack the Urgot for the quadra and then flash W Q the Soraka who the ashe ult didn't catch for the penta.

Instant surrender after that.

Felt good bro.


Also just went 14/0/2 in my last game as Renekton, again won lane against Trynd ending that at 6/0.



Bought Riven yesterday and like the way she plays. Gonna be playing her a bunch soon.
 
Just tried out yorick since he's free and looks pretty interesting, and holy shit his lane sustain is ridiculous, i just rushed manamune and merc treads, and for the early game i just destroyed my lane opponents, which got me and my partner fed to the point where we just cleaned up the game

anyone got any tips/advice for yorick, since i know i was playing a pretty basic build and i'm still getting to grips with him
 
franky said:
yorick just harrases the fuk out of top champions, specifically teemo. i played one and he couldnt even farm properly with all the ghouls im tossing at him. my first yorick game went 19/1.
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Wriggle's + wit's is a great anti-ghoul build and imo is already core for teemo anyway since you're meant to be a push machine
 
Gonkhauled said:
Just tried out yorick since he's free and looks pretty interesting, and holy shit his lane sustain is ridiculous, i just rushed manamune and merc treads, and for the early game i just destroyed my lane opponents, which got me and my partner fed to the point where we just cleaned up the game

anyone got any tips/advice for yorick, since i know i was playing a pretty basic build and i'm still getting to grips with him
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yorick is annoying and pokes a lot. mid and late-game you can have 2 AD carries (especially effective with caitlyn. CRS is known to run yorick support+caitlyn bot)

no advice for builds really. glacial shroud into frozen heart is strong, spirit visage is strong, warmog's is strong, triforce is strong, etc

try not to lane against a trundle or a cho'gath since they basically both hard counter yorick if played properly.
 
Minwu said:
Wriggle's + wit's is a great anti-ghoul build and imo is already core for teemo anyway since you're meant to be a push machine
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early game i denied farm hard, but i do agree teemo does counter ghouls hard with his usual build. by the time he gets those items though, yorick is probably snowballed or the laning phase is finished already.
 
Trundle does nothing against Yorick. He heals like 2 HP per ghoul. Someone did the math somewhere. I don't remember. But it's something really low. Nasus is real counter boiz.
 
Awesome solo queue stories continued: Fizz mid on our team is bitching non-stop in All about how his lane opponent, Brand(who had apparently played against him a couple days before and mentioned he was a dick then, too), takes no skill while getting doubled in CS and yelling at our Jungler (Warwick who wasn't 6 yet but still converted a gank bot with Graves/Taric on Soraka/Ashe with help from a bait and was obviously a pretty decent player) for not ganking and that sort of thing. A couple minutes after that, after WW has successfully ganked mid twice and top Olaf(who had gotten FB) gets a couple more kills and we force enemy bot out a couple times so it's obvious we're going to win he's like "Why is everyone on ignore lol? My brother was playing while I cleaned up some dog piss I hope he didn't say anything bad plz dont report".

Nasus ate his homework I'm pretty sure.
 
what are some good alternatives to being forced to be last pick support in sub 1200 solo q? cant carry with alistar or soraka ._.
 
Outside of nunu kog support is the one who generally makes things happen bot lane try learning match ups a bit more so you know when you can be hyper aggressive and zone them. If your AD carry is mentally handicapped then i suggest mantheon and carry harder
 
I think you're playing with fire going anything too unconventional, just asking to get the woe-is-me-i-dont-deserve-to-be-in-elo-hell type teammates raging at you before the game even starts.

I'd definitely disagree you can't carry with the conventional supports. Alistar is probably the best at it since he has both the sustain and kill potential, probably with Ignite if you feel like you need to do it mostly on your own. Sona's poke, Janna's CC(use ArPen reds to harass better since your teammate isn't likely to be doing much), and Taric and Leona's CC/DPS are all plenty capable of getting shit done if you play them well, too. Soraka's actually the conventional support I think is worst in solo queue if you really think you're a lot better than your ELO: even more so than Nunu you're at the mercy of your team with her, you just have the bonus that if your opponents are bad they're more likely to fall for healbaits. Though in the end, that healbaiting is probably more useful than Nunu having his snowballs and ult to at least contribute something to getting kills.

If you do do something a little crazier, Lulu and Lux are both plenty capable of picking up kills(the latter being safer even though shes not really considered competitively viable) if you're playing well with them, but likely not to get your team excited and certainly capable of making you a problem rather than a solution quickly if you mess up.
 
pookar said:
what are some good alternatives to being forced to be last pick support in sub 1200 solo q? cant carry with alistar or soraka ._.
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go blitzcrank, really no excuse for your carry to not get in good followup damage after every grab you land. taric and fiddle are good choices too, with maybe a little less situational kill setups.


fizz shits on brand btw

and even when i'm last pick i don't get too many problems when i voice my intent to jungle, idk
 
when i play support i usually play soraka since shes the easiest and im not that good at support otherwise. also if my AD sucks i really have no problem with stealing CS and becoming a starcall machine or going to support top/roam with jungle. if all else fails call all mid and try to win through sustain, since at sub 1200 elo everyone derps eventually and the team with more sustain wins throw battles. dont heal bait though since your team will probably just puss out if they fall below 30% and will be out of position be the time you get the heal off.
 
Hahaha, Lulu is so much fun. I think that once I get to level 20 and blow my ip on runes, I'll save up for her first. She is just so cute and cuddly, not to mention her wide utility range makes her into a walking swiss army knife. SHE'S JUST SO PURPLE!!!
 
ok so i just got back from the esgn razer sydney lan with okay results

i entered a team at pretty much the last minute, we did next to no practice beforehand so we were just going in looking to have a good time. i stepped down from jungle role into support to allow a gold player whom i recruited at the last minute to play

first game and our opponents don't show up. closer inspection shows that they were 1300 elo scrubs whom we would have stomped anyway, so we take the time to meet and greet all the players. players from mindfreak and gamecom (two of australia's best team) all shake my hand, apparently i am something of an urban legend among australian LoL

second round and we're against whale and sea friends, an established lan and ladder team who have had a lot of success recently:
my team - Corki / Soraka / Karthus / Malphite / Nocturne
their team - Tristana / Alistar / Lux / Lee Sin / Rammus

i ward our blue buff, and we see the enemy team invading us so we decide to take their blue buff in exchange. so things start off awful in bottom lane, as our provided computers start screwing up and corki has to spend the first two creep waves fixing his settings. however we manage to close the gap to about 10 creeps, though we're behind the entire laning phase. our karth gives up first blood, but nocturne responds with a double kill on the bottom lane, which allows us to take tower. we then fight at dragon, taking 3 down and only losing 1.

their alistar clears wards with oracles, which is really frustrating, but we continue to pressure mid lane nonetheless and push to a lead with superior teamfighting. we bait a baron fight, but (and it is at this point i seriously do not understand what happened) our malphite initiates with his ultimate, but it clips the corner of a wall and somehow hits nothing while our nocturne also dives into 5 people, but he dies. free baron for the enemy team pushes them into the lead, snowballs to a loss and we drop to the losers bracket

we go get lunch at hungry jacks because i haven't eaten since the previous night

we're pretty disappointed with the loss, especially since the 'throw' came from something that none of us understood. however we shake hands anyway and move onto the next game, vs a team called burger squad:
our team - Ashe / Janna / Cassiopeia / Vladimir / Nocturne
their team - Vayne / Alistar / Ryze / Nidalee / Udyr

we start out fairly passive. nocturne effectively camps our lane, as it is weaker than the enemy bottom lane, which eases the pressure on us. the enemy team soon switches nidalee with ryze, putting ryze against vlad top (a horrible matchup for vlad) and nidalee mid against cassiopeia. our solo lanes start to falter, but constant pressure from nocturne gives us some breathing room and eventually vlad gets first blood against ryze after stacking some mr.

vladimir and cassiopeia finish their will of the ancients, and we start to force the first two middle towers, and every dragon after we miss the first. the double wota allows his to win pretty much every fight, as ashe fires an arrow, followed up by a janna tornado which actually spins champions around, so even fleeing champions are forced to look at cassiopeia. throw vladimir's ultimate on top followed by nocturne diving their backrow and you have a won team fight.

nidalee starts to split push like a bitch, though. we see her bottom and we manage to take an early baron, allowing us to push to the enemy inhibitor. unfortunately nidalee is far too slippery and she backdoors our bottom inhibitor in return. at this point we are worried, but nocturne decides to start tailing nidalee and we bait her summoner teleport by deliberately passing through wards and not clearing them with my oracles.

once we bait her into teleporting top, we go back to baron. nidalee is forced to run down, and an ashe arrow onto ryze followed by our standard aoe ultimates clean up ryze, vayne and alistar. nidalee and udyr flee, but i flash behind them and monsoon. it's a bad angle for udyr and he gets blown away, but nidalee manages to pounce literally as the monsoon animation starts, and at that exact point she passes the length of my body which actually sends her flying away too.

at this point my team is yelling at me, and i yell back because the nidalee actually made a good play. i take my headset off, and right click the enemy's nexus turrets, saying 'WIN IT NOW, I'M GOING TO THE BATHROOM', so they push to the enemy nexus and end it, and we shake hands and i even get some high fives from some of the higher seeded teams.

we take an extended break and watch some games, three guys from my team win a lucky door prize (a razer flask) and we get some photos taken.

third game is against carnage, a very good team sponsored by razer. accepting our loss, we decide to cheese them with a protect the kog'maw strategy to see if we can cheat a win:
our team: Kog'maw / Nunu / Orianna / Yorick / Udyr
their team: Ezreal / Alistar (im sick of this guy) / Soraka / Lee Sin / Riven

my computer has problems this time around, and as a result i am unable to ward our blue as usual. naturally, our udyr gets first blooded at his blue :(

we really are not ready to play against a team of this calibre, and all our lanes lose. we really can do nothing about it, they were too practised and smart. it is very humbling to lose to a top-tier team, but we exchange hands anyway and kog'maw and i are even commended for holding off one of the best bottom lanes in australia for so long (both of us only went 0/1/0 and almost equal cs)

i watched an excellent game between mindfreak and panda q afterwards, where a top lane shaco, despite losing lane (cause he's shaco) carried his team to a win through unrelenting split pushing, then i went home

overall it was a great day and i think i will take crux with me next time i go to a lan and maybe have some more practice/play the role i enjoy the most
 
DrCrashMD said:
Wait for him to Q to you, then E and wait for the eventual Playful / Trickster. Stun him at his landing position, Pillar of Flame at his feet, Ignite, Ult, done.

fizz shits on BAD brands
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your full combo is not going to be available 100% of the time in lane
 
[15:58:58] * &Thorns (~alex@fade.into.the.sol) Quit (Quit: mama she told me, keep your eyes on the trophy)
[16:04:22] <az> [15:42:32] <&Thorns> as i run away from him
[16:04:22] <az> [15:42:35] <&Thorns> i attack move the ground
[16:04:22] <az> [15:42:36] <&Thorns> behind me
[16:04:22] <az> [15:42:40] <&Thorns> to shoot off an autoattack
[16:04:22] <az> [15:42:45] <&Thorns> and IMMEDIATELY keep running
[16:04:28] <az> wont this make you run backwards
[16:04:29] <az> idgi
[16:04:35] <az> attack move doesnt seem to work like that
[16:04:37] <az> in my experience
[16:06:25] <+supermarth64> well
[16:06:42] <+supermarth64> because he's already within your attack range
[16:06:48] <+supermarth64> you will stop and fire an arrow at him
[16:07:06] <+supermarth64> instead of having to fumble with clicking him and potentially missing him and end up running towards him
[16:07:43] * +supermarth64 (Marth@is.lonely) Quit (Quit: )
[16:07:50] <az> yeah but
[16:07:53] <az> you dont wanna stop
[16:07:56] <az> you wanna keep running away
[16:08:04] <az> it seems the same to me as clicking him
[16:08:09] <az> in that instance
[16:08:26] <az> all this seems to achieve is making oyu mave backwards and have to click again
[16:08:29] <az> to retreat
[16:08:32] <az> which is gonna get you killed
[16:08:33] <az> for sure
[16:09:24] <+HD_AFK> az
[16:09:31] <+HD_AFK> you'll be moving backwards
[16:09:37] <+HD_AFK> while the enemy is moving towards you
[16:09:38] <+HD_AFK> thus
[16:09:44] <+HD_AFK> you'll autoattack the enemy
[16:09:48] <+HD_AFK> since he'll be in range
[16:09:50] <az> youre not moving backwards if you're attacking
[16:09:52] <az> you have to stop
[16:09:53] <az> to attack
[16:09:54] <+HD_AFK> then immediately click behind you
[16:09:55] <az> no matter what
[16:09:57] <+HD_AFK> to keep moving
[16:10:06] <az> how is that any different
[16:10:08] <az> to right clicking
[16:10:09] <+HD_AFK> that's where aa animation cancelling
[16:10:11] <+HD_AFK> comes into play
[16:10:18] <+HD_AFK> basically attack-move
[16:10:21] <+HD_AFK> is move to a place
[16:10:26] <+HD_AFK> and autoattack anything in range
[16:10:29] <+HD_AFK> along the way
[16:10:34] <+HD_AFK> so you stop
[16:10:37] <+HD_AFK> attack once
[16:10:42] <+HD_AFK> and cancel the animation
[16:10:46] <+HD_AFK> by clicking regular move
[16:10:47] <+HD_AFK> behind you
[16:10:50] <az> yeah
[16:10:52] <az> you could do that
[16:10:53] <+HD_AFK> you send an autoattack
[16:10:56] <az> by right clicking them
[16:10:56] <+HD_AFK> and then move back
[16:10:59] <az> and moving back
[16:11:02] <az> in the same number of clicks
[16:11:07] <az> click them and click back after aa
[16:11:45] <az> ?_?
[16:11:49] <+HD_AFK> when you right click
[16:11:51] <+HD_AFK> you move toward them
[16:11:56] <+HD_AFK> attack-move doesn't do that
[16:11:56] <az> not if you are already in range
[16:12:01] <az> lol
[16:12:02] <+HD_AFK> you just aa what's ever in range
[16:12:04] <az> ashe doesnt run up to an enemy
[16:12:08] <az> if she is in range
[16:12:09] <+HD_AFK> fuck it i don't know az
[16:12:12] <az> lol
[16:12:13] <az> yeah well
[16:12:17] <az> dont try to explain it if you dont know
[16:12:17] <+HD_AFK> i play melee dps
[16:12:19] <+HD_AFK> tyvm
[16:12:20] <az> its just frustrating
[16:12:32] <+HD_AFK> i can explain how to do it
[16:12:36] <+HD_AFK> i can't explain why to do it
[16:13:04] <az> yeah lol
[16:13:05] <az> thats
[16:13:07] <az> not really the point
[16:13:10] <az> how to do it
[16:13:13] <az> is really simple
[16:13:35] <az> as far as i can see
[16:13:38] <az> the justification so far is
[16:13:44] <az> "in case your reflexes arent good enough to click the guy
[16:13:48] <az> click the ground and you'll get him"
[16:13:50] <az> and that's it
[16:13:53] <az> in the brush example
[16:13:55] <az> i can understand it
[16:13:58] <az> in the chase example
[16:14:01] <az> it doesnt make any sense

thorns?? anyone???
 
so...

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:D i fed like a boss. i just bought leblanc and was screwing up my combos pretty bad and ended up like 1/11/3 at like 20 mins. i didnt care at all, and i love long bot games so i always screw around but goddamn my team was awful. all four of them engaged morg our 2nd turret and 2 died. noc ults and proceeds to die. teemo sticks to her back to her 2nd turret and dies ._. we never took one of their base turrets. i started getting serious about 40 mins but it just couldnt be saved. everytime my teamates tried to engage, theyd take a couple hits and then run away, so it was impossible for them to push at all.
 
Thorns said:
malphite initiates with his ultimate, but it clips the corner of a wall
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This. I've noticed it as well, that his ult does not pass through everything, and will get stopped short, and it always happens to me when there is a solid "Structure" in the way, be it undestroyed inhibitor or tower. I have not seen it clip on just regular terrain, but it does not surprise.

It's caused me to miss a few ults in the past few days when trying to Jungle Malph.


Great post by the way. Must've been awesome to go.
 
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