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Academy Awards Reaction Thread
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you seem really mad about an average movie beating out other average movies in a popularity contest
i wouldn't say brave was trash, but it wasn't nearly as good as wreck-it ralph or paranorman
I wouldn't say Wreck-it Ralph was anything near average.
Why does that make it okay? Even if they were okay with it or said they were okay with it or whatever (because let's be real here, there's incredible pressure in society to be a good sport about shit like this lol) and just because it wasn't live humiliation doesn't mean it wasn't tasteless, crude, vastly inappropriate for the type of event, and alienating for viewers... It was prerecorded, yes, but it was still recorded and aired. Plus I'm not even talking solely about that song~ It was a recurring element in his 'jokes', and I really think an event as significant to the industry and general audiences could aim a lot higher...
im just assuming all the actresses had signed off on it if it was prerecorded and their reactions were scripted. if you don't like the segment as a whole, thats an entirely different issue and i can respectfully say its well within your rights to find it tasteless. but you put the segment and the blame on seth in your post when it seems like it should be directed at everyone and not just him in an attempt to prove a point that he was a horrible host
and he did make some tasteless jokes that fell flat so i'm not defending him on that account, just on the song which i don't think can be attributed to him being a sleazy host - it appeared to be a group effort. that all being said, outside of a few jokes that fell flat (the chris brown one included), i thought his lincoln joke was great and he seems to have a natural swagger on stage that makes him more likable. hes no hugh jackman but at least he isn't a james franco either
and he did make some tasteless jokes that fell flat so i'm not defending him on that account, just on the song which i don't think can be attributed to him being a sleazy host - it appeared to be a group effort. that all being said, outside of a few jokes that fell flat (the chris brown one included), i thought his lincoln joke was great and he seems to have a natural swagger on stage that makes him more likable. hes no hugh jackman but at least he isn't a james franco either
Iunno about any of you, but personally, I thought Wreck-It Ralph should have won Best Animated Film. I took the time to watch both Brave and Wreck-It Ralph recently, and the latter had its plot developed better than the former. Yes, Brave brought along the whole female lead rah rah rah thing, but I personally think the whole female lead role was done better by Rapunzel in Tangled, and that Wreck-It Ralph had better characters overall.
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But... yeah, I'm blaming him, you're right. Of course I'm not going to blame the actresses for getting made fun of on television. I'm not gonna assume how much involvement they had in it though just because it was prerecorded or how much pressure they would've had to deal with to be okay (again, this stuff is subtle and it's hard to tell people 'NO I DON'T LIKE THIS' because of how you get treated for complaining about people's precious jokes, especially in such a high-stakes situation), or whether they had any real say in it. If they weren't offended then I'm happy for them (we will probably never know), but that doesn't make them responsible for it! For all intents and purposes, as far as I am aware, it was his joke (I honestly don't know if he wrote it as I am not well-versed in professional comedy or anything like that, but either way in that kind of position as host he was essentially 'claiming' it and taking responsibility for it) and he delivered it and he and whichever executives approved it should take some advice from Professor Oak: 'There's a time and place for everything, but not now'.
Just saying, but as someone who has recovered from an eating disorder, the flu joke was pretty unnecessary, for example. Eating disorders plague Hollywood and society in general right now as a greater manifestation of body image issues everywhere that entertainment and media persistently perpetuate. So, you know, it's topical, but that context makes it even more sensitive and deserving of appropriate treatment, surely? But the joke wasn't remotely clever or trying hard or anything, it just reinforced it. For many people who have or have suffered from EDs, it's painful at worst and uncomfortable at best. And it was like that constantly, just awkward commentary on people's appearances and making fun of things that really don't deserve to be made fun of (especially at the Oscars). There was a joke that seemingly obliquely alluded to the things Roman Polanski did to a young girl, for example. Can we seriously not have ~the~ most important night (to a lot of people, anyway) in this industry without being subjected to that?
I'm not saying it was unequivocally terrible or anything -- I know I'm focusing on the bad things, but that's because I'm not here to say 'SETH MACFARLANE FUCKED EVERYTHING UP', just to point out that there were bad things in the first place. In fact I didn't even want to make the point that he was a horrible host, necessarily. Just that I thought that the type of humour that was showcased was really disappointing and tone-deaf, and it's an overall kinda gross direction for the Awards to take presentation-wise. I didn't want to derail the conversation from the central film discussion, but I did think this was relevant to the topic and wanted to present an alternative viewpoint on Seth's hosting, since it seemed he went down well in here. I'm not gonna keep pressing the point in here and taking the focus away from the awards themselves, since I made my point well enough, I think? Pretty sure you all get what I think by now. I'm glad you all had fun, haha, just wanted to say my piece. =)
I went to a party that did betting pools on the awards, I tried to play the odds by betting on Zero Dark Thirty (which was the best movie of the year), but it didn't work out. Anne Hathaway's award merely confirmed how ridiculous the academy is, the awards are going the way of the grammys. Not a single unsafe selection all night, at least Tarantino and Ang Lee got something. Seth MacFarlane was typically over eager and sexist, but did have two good jokes.
RT percentages are a terrible way of determining which movie was better. Brave has to cope with the subconscious sexism of society when it gets reviewed, which none of the other movies have to do. I though Wreck It Ralph was better, but it's clear to me that pulling out a holistic survey of reviews isn't going to get you anywhere in finding out how good Brave is compared to other films. Also it won because they had to be able to say 'I'm not sexist' after they categorically denied all awards to the best movie of the year: Zero Dark Thirty.
nice strawman. where in my post did i diss anne hathaway?
Can anyone explain to me why they think wreck it ralph was a good movie? Is it just one of those things where you have to think that references are enough to carry a movie, or was there something about the pretty cliche storyline that appealed to most people in a way that I'm just not getting? It wasn't bad, but IMO Glen had it right about average movies beating other average movies.
it would proly make more sense if i had said that brave was boring and pointless, while wreck it ralph was legitimately thoughtful and exciting before putting out the RT numbers (which i tried to do by saying as a side to jabba saying its an atrocity)
the rt numbers were meant to show that not only were it our personal opinions but that critics also agreed that it was the worst of the 5 animated films. i found it more interesting than anything else, i wouldnt take it as the basis of an argument
And then you have the oh so progressive hipsters at the academy who automatically rate it extremely positively because the main character is female, especially when she doesn't fit into gender roles, so that if you disagree with them they can just call you sexist (like you. Go back to Tumblr, by the way).
There were next to no references past the first 15 or so minutes of the film.
Brave wasn't average, it was sub-par.
I'm a little annoyed that WIR didn't win, but not irrational enough to think that it 100% deserved to win over everything else. That said, Brave winning over any of the other animated hits of 2012 was downright criminal. Those movies didn't just got robbed, they got mugged.
itt: user blinded by raging feminism fails to have any light attitude towards a funny joke. It's the creator of family guy and you're complaining about crude jokes???? These women showed their chest to the entire world, if they cared they wouldn't be doing that. Seth was funny, winning.
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This did NOT happen. Fuck the Oscars.
This did NOT happen. Fuck the Oscars.
It was emotionally appealing, at least to me. The plot is cliched, but so is Brave's, while WIR's concept is more innovative, in my opinion. WIR was a hilarious movie (dozens of puns, jokes, and references throughout) although Brave had its own comedic gems in the Weasley triplets and in that one guy that nobody understood. Wreck-It Ralph had plot twists that I, for one, didn't see coming, and made me develop an emotional connection with the characters (I teared up during the climax of the movie, while the scene where Ralph destroys the go-cart was particularly painful as well. Brave, on the other hand, had plot holes, less action, and left me feeling unsatisfied with its ending.
Brave was not a bad movie. Wreck-It Ralph was not the best animated film I've ever seen. But Wreck-It Ralph, in my opinion, was a much better movie than Brave. I could make a similar argument for Paranorman, but I'm not going to.
The feminism argument doesn't really make sense to me either, as the reason I didn't enjoy Brave as much has nothing to do with the fact that Merida is a girl whereas Ralph is a guy. Sgt. Calhoun was one of my favorite characters in WIR. Tangled had a female lead and I loved it. Perhaps the fact that Brave features a female lead had sway in its winning the Oscar, but the association between "disliking Brave" and "sexism" doesn't make sense to me.
Good, Sonic is a fucking hack who was good, like, twice and only gets parts because of nostalgia.
The real tragedy was that this didn't even get a single nomination:
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tfw never opened, never enjoyed.
Not saying TDKR was an amazing movie that deserved 4 oscars or anything, but it certainly was high enough quality to get nominations. The only reason it didn't was because it pales in comparison to Nolan's two previous films (DK and Inception), and people went in with much too high expectations. If it had been any other director that made the film, people would've had better responses to it.
Also, Les Mis had like 0 innovation whatsoever, pretty much your bog standard Les Miserables remake with different actors/actresses and a different set. At least TDKR had an original storyline.
Chill out pluffers, those are actually pretty tame compared to what Seth usually does. I understand that some people may be offended, but I'd bet the majority of people found it pretty funny, and while he gets close, he never really crosses the line, and that's kind of been the way McFarlane has been for years. I for one, found the Oscars actually watchable for once, and Seth can be thanked for that. It was so much different from the usual bog standard crap we see year after year, where I'd much rather check results the day after instead of wasting time listening to blahblah bad joke, blahblah here are the nominees, blahblah bog standard acceptance speech. Just sit back and enjoy lol.