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The Everything NHL Thread
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OMG, CBJ is soooo close. Please make it BJ's. (Have to lol)
Pens Win! :D
Pens Win! :D
So the Oilers just lost to basically an AHL team. *facepalm*
Seth Jones here we come.
Seth Jones here we come.
^ Well they have Mikka Kiprusoff, but I don't think he played last night.
Bruins/Sens game cancelled due to tragedy. May god be with their families.
Oilers fire Steve Tambellini and replace him with Craig McTavish. What a farce of an organization. Welcome to Edmonton Seth Jones.
I loved the press conference, Kevin Lowe got grilled.
If they had fired Lowe, Tambellini and Krueger, and made MacT the coach, then introduced some outside people to fill the VP and GM spots, I'd have been perfectly okay with this. But hell, if Lowe doesn't interfere, he might turn out to be a decent GM.
And if the Oilers do somehow manage the fourth-straight first overall pick, they had better trade it for a top-2 defenseman or an all-star power forward.
And if the Oilers do somehow manage the fourth-straight first overall pick, they had better trade it for a top-2 defenseman or an all-star power forward.
That'd be Seth Jones, who unlike certain defence prospects *cough*Ryan Murray*cough* actually has offensive potential, aka potential to be a top pairing blueliner. Picking him 1st overall would actually make sense.
And trading him would make even more honestly. The oilers are plagued with enough inexperience. We need a dman like Subban, someone who's still relatively young, but has actual and viable NHL experience.
How does Ryan Murray not project as a #1/#2... have you even seen him play in the juniors?
Regardless, think MacTavish would be better suited as a coach especially after his work with the Wolves and Lowe better suited unemployed.
Also the best:
Yes I have seen Ryan Murray play. A few random times when they showed Oil Kings games and the WJC, where put out arguably the second worst performance I'd ever seen from a Canadian player (Mark Visentin being #1). A, the guy has very average puck skills for a supposed #1 and doesn't have a great outlet pass or anything, which will surely hinder him offensively at the NHL level. Secondly, while not soft, he's doesn't play very physical either. A non-physical defenceman with poor offense will rarely ever be a top pairing defenceman. Sure he positions well and has nice gap control and all, but so does Jay Bouwmeester, who as shown by his success in St Louis so far, is better when he's not the go to guy (and he actually has better offence). The meltdown at the world juniors where he was out of position/made an egregious giveaway every shift tells me he might not have a "second gear" come playoff time.
MacT would probably be better as a coach, but he spent the last few years getting a MBA, and was likely being groomed to be next GM of the Oilers the whole time. Did anyone actually think the Oilers were going to permanently fire him? We are the epitome of cronyism. I guess the only bright side out of this is based on his interview on TSN, MacT is going to be more aggressive, but Hall/RNH/Yak/Eberle are untouchable. Also Kevin Lowe made a complete fool of himself at the press conference. He essentially implied that:
1. Fans who don't play are second class fans
2. He was an outstanding GM and orchestrated "the greatest trade in Oilers history"
3. He has more Stanley Cups than everyone, therefore he knows how to run an organization
4. He's an idiot, but the fans are to blame
Yeah he was pretty terrible at the WJC. Not sure I would write him off completely.
The thing about Seth Jones is that that defenseman who are drafted #1 overall like Hamrilk, Jovanovski, Berard, Phillips and Erik Johnson all failed to develop into #1 defenseman. They all became useful players but they didnt live up to expectations.
Jovanovski was there for a while iirc, and I think Berard was almost there/going to reach it before his eye injury
Neither guy was very good defensively though.
Pretty dumb thing to say since using 1st overall is a terribly small sample size. Also obvious logical disconnect between "drafted first" and "definite fail."
Still think the WJC thing was overrated w.r.t. how Murray will do in the NHL. The thing I like about him is that he''s fairly collected with respect to playing in stressful situations. I also definitely don't think his outlet pass is as bad as you say; it's definitely above average, if not very good and he's got a good shot. He has good offensive instincts and is steady in his own zone. In my opinion, he's gonna be an excellent fit with Columbus' emerging youth and a top pairing defenseman most likely.
Also outdoor game in March in Vancouver. Guess Kesler can actually go diving in that outdoor stadium...
Holy shit... a guy from my hometown signed a contract with the New York Islanders.
Probably the first dutch guy with a NHL contract :o
Probably the first dutch guy with a NHL contract :o
Why is it dumb? I think the sample is large enough to say a forward is a safer pick. Defensemen (and even moreso goalies) simply seem a bit more difficult to project.
But I'm fairly sure the teams drafting are aware of this, will pick accordingly and I don't think it will scare anyone away from picking Seth Jones. They'll still lose out to whoever picks my boy. ;o
Using the top 5 draft picks is a much better sample size as opposed to the top pick; usually, outside of years like Crosby, the number one pick isn't undisputed and it's more the needs of the team picking that decide who to pick. The top 5 is a more "safe" way of assessing the skill levels and the trajectory of a prospect at the time of the draft.
Plus, defenseman don't always blossom early in their careers unlike forwards (with a few exceptions). It's harder to say "they'll bust" like most people do after one or two given years for most players.
The TD Garden ceremony was powerful. Real good stuff and really proud of hockey fans in Boston for showing up and supporting their team, city and nation.
Here's 10 years of players we've had ample time to evaluate :
2006
1 Erik Johnson
2005
3 Jack Jackson
2004
3 Cam Barker
2003
None in the top 5 (Ryan Suter is 7th, however)
2002
3 Jay Bowmeester
4 Joni Pitkanen
5 Ryan Whitney
2001
No D in the top 5 (Mike Komisarek 8th)
2000
No D in top 5 (Lars Jonsson, first D picked at 7th)
1999
No D in top 5 (first picked : Bradislav Medei 10th)
1998
3 Brad Stuart
4 Bryan Allen
5 Vitali Vishnevski
1997
5 Eric Brewer
(Yes I left out 2008, the one year where many Ds were picked top 5 and met expectations)
