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Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)
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Or you could use Breloom. Priority STAB + Technician = Shit gets rekt. But I will agree that Chesty is far bulkier and can tank more hits (specially with Bulletproof). But they're both in the same boat in terms of weaknesses. Namely a certain Fire/Flying type that gets a lot of hate from certain players. Oh and Grass/Fighting is a great typing besides the weaknesses, it's just not top OU material. Kinda like Galvantula (Cough underrated cough) and Chandlelure (cough infiltrator rapes BP cough)
Not denying that both are great, just that they should both move up IMO
TL;DR Despite ear weaknesses, I'd like to see Breloom and Chestnaught in B+
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I'm gonna have to second this. Although its typing isn't great its actually a blessing when it comes to countering top-tier threats like bisharp and landorus-t. I think B+ is good, as it is still weak to the ever-common charizards, talonflames, and fairy attacks of OU.
Because viability has nothing to do with where a Pokemon is on the tier list.
Oh I can't believe I hadn't noticed Lando-I before. Congratulations for him. Now that's a pokemon that's a million times better than Bisharp.
Well considering this is a viability thread for OU I'd assume he'd be OU considering he's B rank. Does he just not have enough usage?
Reviving Gastrodon and Barbaracle for some more discussion, as they are so far the remaining mons with their analyses finished.
Most pokemon in B rank are also UU.
I see. But he is still a great pokemon None the less. Just fights for q team slot because People.usually prefer breloom.because it.has spore and technician:
Lando-i is pretty easy to revenge kill, and its attacks can be sponged by any special wall. Bisharp is harder to manage because of defiant reversing intimidate's effect as well as sucker punch. It also has less checks and counters than lando-i.
You're right, scrap the Barbaracle discussion. Still, Gastrodon could use some discussion.
Tyranitar and Heatran do not sponge Focus Blast, and Chansey hates Knock Off. These are the main special walls I think.
Landorus is a monster, it has an attack power Thundurus wishes it had, with a bunch of coverage moves boosted by Sheer Force that make Nidoking look like a baby. And 101 speed is a lot for a bulky meta like this. Landorus is ridiculously hard to switch into. It deserves its place in S. And by the way, it wipes the floor with Bisharp.
All valid points. However, lando-i can be revenge killed super easily. Bisharp doesn't care about scarf garchomp and several other revenge killers because of sucker punch. Overall, lando-i is the better wallbreaker, but bisharp is a much more effective sweeper. Lando-i may be the better pokemon objectively, but in this meta where bisharp counters like chesnaught and quagsire are not very common,as well as its amazing utility on HO (arguably the most effective playstyle atm), it deserves the higher rank. And by the way, bisharp wipes the floor with aegislash, the highest ranked Pokemon.
Edit: To be honest, as much as I love bisharp, I also don't think it deserves S rank. I liked where it was before, near the top of A+.
Reviving Mega Manectric once again, I'd really love this change to be made.
Pokemon in the same rank are in alphabetical order. Just saying.
Also the "wipes the floor" wasn't a serious argument :P
The way I'm arguing seems I don't think Bisharp is a good pokemon. I actually think it's amazing. I just don't think it's amazing enough to be S. It just has too many flaws.
How did I never notice this 0.0
As a pokemon, Bisharp belongs in the same group as Lando-i, Kyurem-b, and Azumarill. The only reason I can see for its promotion into S is its effectiveness in HO and the meta in general. If a pokemon's effectiveness in the meta is a factor in that pokemon's rating, I think Bisharp deserves the S rank.
Gastrodon and Swampert? Or Seismetoad? Hell, they need to do all three, really
Seismitoed. Swampert isn't getting an analysis, as far as I know.
What exactly do Swampert, Gastrodon or Seismitoad do that isn't already being accomplished by other things in OU? I don't see anything that really would entice me to put any of them on my OU teams. Unless someone has something worthwhile ranking them isn't worth it.
Apart from swampert, they are all receiving an OU analysis. That means they all need to be ranked somewhere on the list.
I personally wouldn't, bar Gastrodon. The Heatran + Gastrodon + Skarmory core is still fairly effective, albeit less so than BW2 OU, but I still think it's enough to warrant some useage.
Seismitoad has a niche in the sense that it's a rain sweeper that is immune to Electric. This helps because Seismitoad can be of decent use for rain teams that don't want to be that suspectible to Prankster T-Wave Thundurus, who is currently the first or second best Pokemon in the tier. It has pretty good power in the rain and is a capable sweeper; it also has a decent movepool to hit Hydro Pump switch-ins. It's a niche Pokemon otherwise, and probably deserves no higher than somewhere in C Rank, but it has a decent enough of a niche to warrant a mention here.
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Cloyster should be moved down to D. It can't set up consistently and needs everything with priority taken out, which is way to much to ask at any level except the bottom of the ladder.
Also, I'd like to suggest Ferrothorn moving up to A+ for it's support abilities. Ferrothorn is an exceptional wall, and with its typing and defensive stats it can wall pokemon without fire and fighting moves, setting up leech seed, sr, spikes on hazard stall teams, and can T-wave, as well as hit back reasonably hard with powerful stab moves and a decent base 94 attack. It currently beats only Thundurus out of the S rank consistently, but it's great defensive synergy with Mandibuzz, providing SR and defog support throughout the match is outstanding, and the core can handle most of the top OU threats when used properly. This is one of my first posts, so if I did anything wrong, please don't hesitate to tell me :]
Also, I'd like to suggest Ferrothorn moving up to A+ for it's support abilities. Ferrothorn is an exceptional wall, and with its typing and defensive stats it can wall pokemon without fire and fighting moves, setting up leech seed, sr, spikes on hazard stall teams, and can T-wave, as well as hit back reasonably hard with powerful stab moves and a decent base 94 attack. It currently beats only Thundurus out of the S rank consistently, but it's great defensive synergy with Mandibuzz, providing SR and defog support throughout the match is outstanding, and the core can handle most of the top OU threats when used properly. This is one of my first posts, so if I did anything wrong, please don't hesitate to tell me :]
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