lats
formerly lockiegengar12
Yeah... if Xerneas wasn't on literally every single team. Oh, and fairy arceus. Oh, and Mega-Gengar carrying Dazzling Gleam.
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I'm leaning a lot more towards this as well after new abilities were mentioned for Groudon and Kyogre. If I recall correctly the flavor text of Kyogre's ability was something that makes it stronger. I can sort of imagine Groudon getting Solar Power, but Kyogre doesn't really have any options that make sense at all.
I have no idea what to expect, really.
You guys are thinking about how Wonder Guard aids a Pokemon in taking on other Pokemon 1v1. Pokemon battles involve Pokemon that switch in and out. Sure WG Sabeleye loses to Xerneas, Fairy Arceus, and Mega Gengar.... if it stays in on them. But it's immune to Shadow Tag. So lets say this were happening. I would build an Ubers team with WG Sabeleye, one steel type Fairy counter, one M-Gengar counter (even though know one would run the thing anymore because WG Sableye) 3 other things that don't really matter and I'm golden. why? Becasue every time I send out Sableye it basically forces your opponent to bring out their fairy attacker. It acts as the ultimate lure and once I eliminate the one or two things with Fairy moves I just plow through everything else. Put WG Sabeleye in Ubers and the metagame quickly centralizes around it and deteriorates to "put a fairy move on everything that can carry it and see which player can eliminate the other's Sabeleye first" Sounds like the criteria smogon uses for banning a pokemon from the tier it's in.
Same deal for the Hypothetical WG Arorous. Sure most everything can potentially carry a move to hit it. But it's basically the ultimate defensive pivot. 'Cause anytime your enemy launches an attack that isn't one of 6 specific types and you don't want one of your other Pokemon to take then you can just sponge it away to literally nothing. I could play the same team building exercise. WG Arorous + Skarmory..... I still have 4 slots on my OU team and already I have a Pokemon to safely switch into virtually every unboosted move in the entire metagame. Once Aroorus is on the field your opponent is a fool not to click their ground/ fighting/ steel/ water or whatever attack so it makes it really really easy to switch in my ground or fighting or water or whatever resist from there. Especially since Pokemon don't generally do something like carry a ground move and a fighting move. WG Arorous lets you pivot around every single attack except for 6 types. It makes every Pokemon that's STAB isn't one of 6 types a little afraid to simply fire off powerful STABS else have the momentum flipped on them. It also just aids every single Pokemon with alternative weaknesses by making your opponent wonder "should I try to hit this Scizor with my fire move or will Aurorus come in?" It instantly give you all the momentum every single time you're in a rough spot by abusing an immunity and then letting you make a safe switch. All this is in addition to flat out walling every set that isn't carrying one of it's 6 weaknesses.
Rather than thinking about whether or not any one Pokemon could beat a WG something think about how a WG Pokemon would play in a dynamic battle with multiple pokemon switching around. WG Arorous (and by extension WG any fully evolved Pokemon) becomes, At Minimum, one of the main OU Pokemon.
Same deal for the Hypothetical WG Arorous. Sure most everything can potentially carry a move to hit it. But it's basically the ultimate defensive pivot. 'Cause anytime your enemy launches an attack that isn't one of 6 specific types and you don't want one of your other Pokemon to take then you can just sponge it away to literally nothing. I could play the same team building exercise. WG Arorous + Skarmory..... I still have 4 slots on my OU team and already I have a Pokemon to safely switch into virtually every unboosted move in the entire metagame. Once Aroorus is on the field your opponent is a fool not to click their ground/ fighting/ steel/ water or whatever attack so it makes it really really easy to switch in my ground or fighting or water or whatever resist from there. Especially since Pokemon don't generally do something like carry a ground move and a fighting move. WG Arorous lets you pivot around every single attack except for 6 types. It makes every Pokemon that's STAB isn't one of 6 types a little afraid to simply fire off powerful STABS else have the momentum flipped on them. It also just aids every single Pokemon with alternative weaknesses by making your opponent wonder "should I try to hit this Scizor with my fire move or will Aurorus come in?" It instantly give you all the momentum every single time you're in a rough spot by abusing an immunity and then letting you make a safe switch. All this is in addition to flat out walling every set that isn't carrying one of it's 6 weaknesses.
Rather than thinking about whether or not any one Pokemon could beat a WG something think about how a WG Pokemon would play in a dynamic battle with multiple pokemon switching around. WG Arorous (and by extension WG any fully evolved Pokemon) becomes, At Minimum, one of the main OU Pokemon.
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lats
formerly lockiegengar12
I'm just going to say that there's literally a 0% chance of it getting wonder guard. Even nintendo isn't stupid enough to give it to a Pokemon with 1 natural typing weakness. On top of that, no Pokemon other than Shedinja will ever get wonder guard.
Yeah I agree, and that was really the point I was trying to make.
There would be no Mega Sceptile or Diancienite in XY for the same reason there was no Griseous Orb in D/P, or no Reveal Glass in B/W. They aren't essential for the new Pokémon formes to work in battle against the base games. As long as the Pokémon has a base form recognised by the base game, it can be displayed on the base game through trade or battle. A new forme is simply a new combination of old elements (species, moves, abilities), plus a new sprite/model. And as long as there is an old sprite/model to display, the game has no problems with the new forme. Problems only arise when entirely new elements are brought into the picture.
Besides, one of the main selling points of new Pokémon games has always been the allowed access to "new Pokémon" (at least since gen. III). Want a Giratina-O? Well, then you have to buy Platinum. Fancy that Kyurem-B? Buy BW2 if you want to use it. Your friend may very well use the Pokémon against you (because his game is compatible with yours), but you can't have it yourself if you only own the base game. Ask your parents for the new game today!
It would be literally exactly the same with new Mega Pokémon. If you want to play with the Mega, you have to buy the new game. No mystery here.
In short, GameFreak wants the new games to be compatible with the base games, but they do not want all their content to be available for use in them. New moves or abilities screw over compatibility as well as availability, which is undesirable. New Pokémon formes (including Mega Evolutions) would be compatible, but not available.
Actually I think the wording was that it's ability would get stronger not that it's ability would make it stronger.
I just double checked to make sure and this is the exact wording. "And it appears that its Ability might get a boost!"
Rotosect
Banned deucer.
They gave Politoed Drizzle, Mega Gengar Shadow Tag, Mewtwo two mega evolutions and they're going to make Kyogre, arguably the most overcentralizing pokemon in the 3 past generations, even stronger. I think we all know what Nintendo is capable of.
Assuming that Wonder Guard on anything besides Shedinja is overpowered is pointless because we have never seen it in action in a genuine metagame (re: no hackmons or stuff like that) on a pokemon with more than 1 HP.
They could give Mega Sableye WG, ban it from tournaments if it turns out to be overpowered and nerf it in the next games. No harm done that way.
Ok. I'm out. You two have clearly never played a single ubers match if you truly believe any of this.
lats
formerly lockiegengar12
Thanks for making me feel bad </3
Seriously though, back on topic, what do you people believe will come of Latios and Latias in these new games?
Primal Groudon walls Xerneas, assuming the latter lacks Focus Blast.
- Resistant to Moonblast
- Immune to Thunder
- Takes jackshit from Night Slash and Rock Slide
- We all know Focus Blast's accuracy issues
Meanwhile, Primal Groudon retaliates with either Earthquake or its new signature move. In short, Xerneas's reign of terror is short-lived, as Primal Groudon walls it to hell and back.
Primal Kyogre's signature move looks like a Water-type Psystrike clone to me, which allows it to break through special walls like Blissey. It's even Rain-boosted, providing a much better secondary STAB alongside Water Spout. Killer whale's ascending his throne again.
Yep, I feel like these two will be centralizing the Ubers metagame again.
- Resistant to Moonblast
- Immune to Thunder
- Takes jackshit from Night Slash and Rock Slide
- We all know Focus Blast's accuracy issues
Meanwhile, Primal Groudon retaliates with either Earthquake or its new signature move. In short, Xerneas's reign of terror is short-lived, as Primal Groudon walls it to hell and back.
Primal Kyogre's signature move looks like a Water-type Psystrike clone to me, which allows it to break through special walls like Blissey. It's even Rain-boosted, providing a much better secondary STAB alongside Water Spout. Killer whale's ascending his throne again.
Yep, I feel like these two will be centralizing the Ubers metagame again.
Why does everyone want to break OU/Ubers with These megas?Lockie wants swampert to not be swift swim and be sap sipper instead,potentially making it a huge wall,if it gets great stat updates,you want the recent speed tiered kyogre to have swift swim.........If that happened,I am imagining 180 base special attack hydro pumps coming from 180 speed pokemon with 180 minimum speed,which may even outspeed Deo S with just 1 more point added to speed.Also,that would make him lose drizzle,you do notice don't you?
P.S:The two mentioned will be scary in OU and Ubers respectively
Darkhuaza517 No,just no to psystrike Kyogre stab,the last stroke
lockiegengar12 Lati@s hmm hard one..Latios will outshine mega for sure,Latias will be different tho,looking forward to it
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I'm expecting we get to go to South Island for the Soul Dew.
I'm inclined to go along with the "mega latis aren't going to be released" thing.
What makes you think like that? Why would they code the Mega Latis to only bring back Soul Dew?
I... kind of just said I don't think Mega Latis will be an actual thing. So with that in mind why wouldn't they bring back the Soul Dew...?
In two words: a nightmare.
That would start a whole new weather war, just for the sake of removing Rain and stop Kyo from 6/0 every match. People would be forced to have one or two weather setters to stop Kyo from sweep, and the only one who isn't weak to him is Abomasnow.
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lats
formerly lockiegengar12
Yep.
Drizzle would activate before
Forgot that...even more scary....no,just no we have mewtwo already
I don't remember if it was officially stated or not, but I believe she'll be the same.
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