I'm gonna go in reverse order cause that's the order i'm seeing it in and I don't like being organized.Anyways thought I would post on some stuff I agree with or general things I'd like answered or addressed.
So I agree with M-Banette rising from ben and I do agree to C Rank. It is on par if not exceeds M-Absol and M-Ampharos in practical scenarios and is better than most people give it credit for. Idk what else to say ben covered like every single thing possible in his nom a couple pages back so not gonna bother unless asked.
I'm kind of neutral on Meloetta but that's mostly cause I don't use it, I see it used against me though. It's solid though played a couple of guys like Storm with his SubCM set but the set ben posted I think has the most effectiveness right now.
I'd like some replays of Doublade in action, ones that aren't ass either. It's on the verge of being unranked so let us know why it should be D with concrete evidence if you're interested thanks.
I did this in convo I had with team and thought it would be a cool idea to give a run down like this. Sort of just glancing at it and seeing what should move up or down.
Altaria (Mega) - Fire Blast M-Altaria is just a new form of disease destroying the last legitimate checks it had.
Clefable - Good in S, I hate this thing to
Landorus - Lol
Metagross (Mega)- Still dumb so fineAzumarill - Always underrated, fine
Bisharp - This probably will never drop down in ORAS lol. SD set + hazards can turn would be checks into lost causes.
Charizard (Mega-X) - I think this thing is a monster but I'm holding my reservations about S until it becomes cut and dry to me.
Diancie (Mega) - I think M-Diancie is a bit overhyped but can't ignore the different variations it has in screwing over would be answers to it.
Garchomp - One of the most consistent glue mons in the tier, not S at all though.
Gengar - Sigh why are all the legitimate switch ins to it such terrible mons. Fine
Gyarados (Mega) - Peoples preparation for this thing is almost impossible outside of using fat fightings and Keldeo hoping that it wasn't weakened about to take +1 EQ. It's good in A+
Heatran - Under appreciated, definite A+
Keldeo - Definite A+
Landorus-T - This thing looks more A everytime I see it, until I see SD sets which rips a balance a new one.
Lopunny (Mega) - Read Bisharp
Latios - People really underestimate what this is actually capable of everytime the notion that it's on par with Latias in viability comes up. Lots of strength backed up by a coverage move of choice for teams, can make a devastating wall-breaker with CM that even things like Heatran can keel over to. It's the definition of a good offense being your best defense.
Manaphy - Anything that can basically be used by a 4 year old is pretty much A+ in my eyes.
Sableye (Mega) - I'm just sitting here, double switching onto your support moves making you hate me and forcing out your fairies for easy prediction games. Fine in A+.
Scizor (Mega) - One of the best steel types in the tier right now. Definitely fine in A+
Talonflame - This will more than likely never be a debate.
Thundurus - NP / 3 attacks is retarded to go up against.
Tornadus-T - Kind of a given how useful this is at this point.Alakazam (Mega) - Some people have been arguing for a raise but I think that's a bit pushing it to me personally. I guess there's some merit depend on how you look at it but I prefer things to drop rather than rise.
Charizard (Mega-Y) - Poops on balance. Fine in A.
Excadrill - It'll more than likely stay in A for awhile unless sand offense magically becomes bad, so never.
Ferrothorn - Fine in A. Solid glue mon.
Gardevoir (Mega) - Defensive set rocks, M-Gard in its known glory is still great as well.
Gliscor - It's good here.
Hippowdon - Used this on like a million teams, definite A
Latias - Fine in A, Healing Wish is its saving grace and clutch.
Latias (Mega) - Fine in A during Landorus meta. Fat win cons that rampage tour scene with Stored power.
Manectric (Mega) - After Mega Lopunny this is more than likely the mon annoying offense in terms of megas. Fine in A.
Rotom-W - This honestly can drop in my eyes *gasp*. I can go in depth if need be.
Slowbro - Fine in A, CM Bro is sexy.
Skarmory - Just moved here kind of a given.
Starmie - I don't use this much but its one of the few non shitty spinners in the tier left so fine here.
Tyranitar - TTar is ttar, classics never die fine in A.
Venusaur (Mega) - Henry wanted a raise, I'm assuming cause of Mega Altaria. Not seeing it but I get the point and there's slight justification for it.
Weavile - Fine in A, let the bandwagon and hype die down before throwing this any higher.Aerodactyl (Mega) - Under appreciated needs only fat waters and grounds out and you're good to go.
Celebi - Sort of addressed this but I think it's riding on a whole lot of former glory that it shouldn't be riding on anymore. Should drop.
Gyarados - Fine in A-
Jirachi - I don't use this too much but from what I've played against looks like a solid A-
Klefki - Good in A-. Hazards, weavile switch in on offense, Heal Block, Fairy Lock, lots of good utility options for balance and offense to use.
Kyurem-B - Fine in A-. It's overplayed for being in A or higher a shitload of times.
Mew - Good in A-. Classics never die again.
Pinsir (Mega) - This really needs more usage tbh. It's still a monster. Good in A-.
Politoed - Kind of debating this one. I think Kingdra is bonkers under rain but Politoed supplementing the playstyle I don't think would be justification for it to be above Kingdra. They could be in the same rank for the simple fact any rain team or rain core is gonna have both of these while everything else is debatable.
Raikou - Fine in A-, nothing much else to say.
Serperior - Fine in A-, shitty typing holds it back from moving any higher.
Slowbro (Mega) - Fine in A- to me personally although I guess some people didn't think so.
Volcarona - Teams autolosing to this is a travesty but oh well, that enough solidifies it in A-Alakazam - Most team thinks this should rise. Some have reasoned that the gap between Alakazam and Mega Alakazam viability shouldn't be that close though so I guess some reasoning or ideas would be nice.
Breloom - Been using it a ton lately with SD / Toxic Orb set Seed Bomb, Drain Punch, Mach Punch, SD winning a bunch of games with it. It's definitely solid in B+
Diggersby - I never understood the allure of Diggersby at this point in the meta. I guess it's wall-breaking power is kind of cute if you can actually pull it off. Just two cents.
Dragalge - We had a pretty big discussion I guess about two hours ago about this dropping. On one hand I sort of get where pro-drop is coming from in how it's slow as hell gets extremely worn down on the other hand this thing is forcing switches and netting huge damage when it clicks a STAB move. I've had a lot of success with it personally but I sort of get where a drop is coming from now in the meta with this heavier duty offense and stuff like Garchomp everywhere and grounds who can obliterate it.
Dragonite - Fine in B+. A- or higher is too much.
Gallade (Mega) - Never cared for this, probably never will. No comment.
Heracross (Mega) - I would technically drop this after extended use of it but realistically this is better than all the megas with the exception of Mega Tyranitar below it and most of the mons so have to say fine with this for now.
Hydreigon - No comment
Kabutops - Fine
Kingdra - Definitely fine lol
Magnezone - I honestly never liked this thing at all. I've always felt like Magnezone was a desperate attempt to patch up a team weakness that weren't always reliable enough to do so. Lots of Skarmory and stuff that Mega Altaria wants out of the picture in the meta right now so I guess this is ok.
Mamoswine - Fine in B+, it's really not A- material, not on the level of Volcarona and Mew basically.
Slowking - Just moved here.
Suicune - I think this is good after a lot of use with it, some don't. Better than almost everything in B though.
Swampert (Mega) - Haven't used this in awhile cause I don't find rain that enjoyable or appealing to use anymore.
Terrakion - Good in B+
Togekiss - It's ok but no definitive comment since I don't think I've used it to a level where I feel comfortable saying it's B+
Victini - Ladder hero mon, when people realize how overhyped this is maybe it'll drop but until then fine in B+ I guessAmoonguss - Good in B
Azelf - Fine in B
Beedrill (Mega) - Fat chomp everywhere, fatter balance teams, hazard stacking teams everywhere. I think this is less appealing everytime I think about making a team where good M-Beedrill teams to me dedicate a lot of team support to supplement it and be this momentum grabber.
Chesnaught - This thing is actually super mediocre lol. It's so team specific and half of the stuff it's suppose to defensively check it can't even do so effectively due to the nature of the meta and how exploitable this can end up being.
Crawdaunt - Better than most people give it credit for. Has a good matchup against two opposite ends of the spectrum because of the tools it has to utilize, SD to break defensive builds with Aqua Jet + SD to handle offense.
Empoleon - This is ok in B for now.
Garchomp (Mega) - No comment, the few times I've used it I think were terrible so not gonna base my judgement solely on those few instances for now.
Gothitelle - Fine here
Hawlucha - Definitely fine here.
Medicham (Mega) - Probably should be same rank as M-Gallade at this point.
Quagsire - Needs to drop. Everything it defensively blanket checks is nice in theory and falls apart in practice. It defensively checks a good amount of stuff but after that it's so hard to justify using this unless you're using something completely unorthodox
Omastar - I wouldn't raise this personally. I find Kingdra superior to Omastar overall and if need be when I'm not exhausted can explain why I think it's fine here.
Reuniclus - Good here
Sceptile (Mega) - Never was a fan of this, but ben had a point in that all out attacker sets pack a punch.
Scizor - It's fine in B. People exaggerate the hell out of this for B+
Scolipede - Fine in B
Sharpedo (Mega) - Fine in B, disgusting cleaner
Tentacruel - This is in my eyes, a garbage mon. All of the utility it provides isn't even as hyped up as it is made out to be.
Zapdos - Fine hereFeel free to reply to a specific part if you want a more detailed description of my thought process for an individual mon. I might not reply to you right away though, pretty tired.Bronzong - Fine here
Conkeldurr - Fine here
Feraligatr - Could probably drop. Tyrantrum is better than this honestly and this got hyped a lot when in practice I think it's a different story personally.
Gastrodon - Fine here
Houndoom (Mega) - I still think this is bad but it's gonna get hyped up about what it does in how it supposably can break all of its checks and counters out of some scenario that magically popped out of thin air. Abstain.
Infernape - fine here
Lucario - Fine here
Mandibuzz - Lame mon so team specific at this point sort of surviving in the fact it's better than most C+.
Sylveon - I guess this is ok for Specs set.
Tangrowth - Fine here. Nice pivot, good bulk with AV, decent power to boot with coverage options.
Toxicroak - Fine here, B is pushing it a bit I think just from my time using it.
Tyranitar (Mega) - This could honestly rise two subranks rofl but I'll hold off on that see how meta actually settles and see if people start getting the picture.
Tyrantrum - Fine here.
Lol i know we have an age old mandi argument we had going so i'm not gonna let that spark again but I still disagree and personally believe it should be B+ :/
Ttar mega i agree should rise as well, scarf lando-T was the only reason it dropped in the first place and the usage of that set has died down. The existence of mega lopunny sucked but that just means its not gonna be A+ like it was in early xy.
Sylveon is garbage and can't take a hit for being such a slow specs user, i dont' think it belongs among B-
Can you explain why toxicroak is in B-? It seems like a cool water check, although i haven't used it myself.
Why is sharpedo-mega in B. I personally find it terrible. Same with tentacruel. Conversely, why is reuni only in B. CM/recover sets are friggin awesome its B+ atleast.
Garchomp-mega in B makes me cry but we've already fought over that too (not satisfied with ur explanation but anyways)
Beedril-mega should definitely drop, its really fast but its still not strong enough to knock out offense, and its coverage is ass.
Adamant LO terrak with stabs/rp/sd is just so independent, wallbreaking and cleaning on its own, (enough fuckin power to OHKO keldeo after rocks without an SD holy shit) it oughta be A- in my eyes, especially with Aegi staying out of the tier. Adamant LO sedge 2hko's mega sab, which was the primary reason it dropped.
zam should def. be A- atleast. such a threat. Dragalge is def. a B+ threat with the right support, its very powerful while also checking other powerful shit.
I think megabro should rise, iron def/cm can 6-0 some offense off the bat, and its hilarious. I think mvenu should rise too, its great on bulky offense and checks those difficult to beat fairies.
Explain why you want to drop rotom-w.
I personally think Azu should be S, having the potential to be Wallbreaker or cleaner with CB/BD and can break past all of its checks at +6 (well no shit but its really tough to stop), and mvenu is practically its only counter. It's just rly strong and rly bulky and rly good vs offense.
I don't think clefable's stats cut it but other ppl like it there so w/e.