SPOILERS! Mysteries and Conspiracies of Pokemon

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Dunno if this was mentioned before, but:

How exactly do Pokemon make eggs? Is it ever explicitly stated in any of the games (including spin-offs)?

And if you're about to say through the traditional methods of physical impregnation, well, you'd better think again, because if Pokemon like Skitty and Wailord or Ditto and Bronzong can make Eggs together, something pretty weird must be going on.

Maybe it's the overwhelming power of their love?

 

[Detective Barricade]

Dunno if this was mentioned before, but:

How exactly do Pokemon make eggs? Is it ever explicitly stated in any of the games (including spin-offs)?

And if you're about to say through the traditional methods of physical impregnation, well, you'd better think again, because if Pokemon like Skitty and Wailord or Ditto and Bronzong can make Eggs together, something pretty weird must be going on.

Maybe it's the overwhelming power of their love?

See, they'd tell us, but then they'd have to kill us. ;)

But no, it's never stated about where the eggs come from or how they're made. They even go out of their way to say they're more like a cradle for the Pokemon inside than an actual egg. Because kids are special snowflakes that can't handle the birds and the Beedrill at their delicate age(s). Or maybe it's so horrifying those in charge of the Day-Care can't tell you where it came from, but your Pokemon was holding it... and Everstone/Destiny Knot/incense/Light Ball (what a juggling act!) so surely you want it, right? Otherwise they'll keep it. It's been discussed a bit before in here, though.

 

[Cresselia~~]

Maybe the egg is another high technology thing that functions like Pokeballs.

 

[Pikachu315111]

Actually they did:

After Arceus creates a new TimeSpace Dragon, Cynthia comes in and says:

"Did we just witness the very moment an Egg was brought to this world? A moment no one has ever seen? An Egg is the cradle of every being. The planet itself is an Egg in a sense... Life that comes from an Egg will come to an end in due course... to begin anew... That may be what Arceus wanted to show us.

So in other words why have we never seen Pokemon lay an egg? BECAUSE THEY'RE ELDRITCH ABOMINATIONS THAT REQUIRE THE CREATION AND DESTRUCTION OF A UNIVERSE IN ORDER TO BRING A NEW ONE OF THEMSELVES INTO EXISTENCE! Or that's at least what I got out of it, and to be fair this could just be for making a TimeSpace Dragon since, well, there's only one time and space (and Distortion World) so to make a new one of them you need to make a new universe and get rid of it except for the TimeSpace dragon you want.

As for normal Pokemon, I always imagined the reason no one ever saw a Pokemon lay an Egg is because they don't really. I always thought that, if they don't want to bring in actual reproduction into this, that the mating pair did a complex ritual which we don't recognize (thus we never know when they're going to do the egg making) but when they complete it they come close to one another, start to glow, and the energy from the glow combines into a Pokemon Egg. How has no one seen this happen? Well in addition to not knowing when it'll happen, the glowing and the combining into a Pokemon Egg is so fast you're eyes can't properly see it (and even if it did all it would see is a flash of light). This would also explain why any held items would effect the Egg since its also being covered in energy that gets absorbed into making the egg.

Eitherway, Professor Elm may want to consider switching to a new topic of research since I don't think he'll ever see a creation of an Egg. OR, maybe he has and what he saw drove him insane but his mind "recovered" but the damage to his conscious has made him forget what he saw (or else he would go insane again) and clumsy & forgetful (hey, give him a break, his mind was torn to pieces and it did its best recombining. You're just lucky he isn't spouting "ph'nglui mglw'nafh Pokemon Egg Daycare wgah'nagl fhtagn").

 

[stage7_4]

Honestly, that theory is better than any other. Except a stork did it. That's the best.

Basically, Gamefreak invoked MST3K mantra on breeding long ago to preserve that E rating. So Arceus did it is as plausible as we're ever going to get.

(Except the eggs are delivered by Pelippers. Everyone knows that).

Actually, this is a good time to bring up another term to define future conversations. It's called Anthropic Principle, and it states that there are certain elements of a story that have to exist or else there would be no story, no matter how contrived or unlikely. Basically, it's the opposite of MST3K, which asks you to ignore details for the sake of the story. In this case, without these details THERE IS NO STORY.

A non-Pokemon example is zombie apocolypse films. While it should be unlikely that there would be any survivors, or that this group of people just all happen to be immune to zombification, but if this weren't true, there would be no story. They'd all be zombies.

To get back on pokemon, Anthropic Principle basically clears up why we fight Team Rocket with rats, cats, and flying bats (or giant land-shark-dragons) instead of the evil group logically just pulling a gun on us in round 1. Because if they did, story's over. You lose.

This isn't meant to limit discussion, actually it's meant to enhance it, to weed out the simple mysteries to focus more on the bigger how's and why's. So keep it in mind when we ponder why we can fight, tame, and raise monsters.

 

[Darth Manaphy]

Like everything else, there's a comic that I go to often

I'm starting to believe that Pokemon are extrememly shy and the eggs can take mere seconds to make at times. So, they don't do anything until they know they aren't watching.

 

[Lady Vader]

I'm starting to believe that Pokemon are extrememly shy and the eggs can take mere seconds to make at times. So, they don't do anything until they know they aren't watching.

That's actually not a bad theory and might have some basis in real life. For instance, sloth mating is actually quite fast (no idea how long the pregnancy is, though) and is rarely seen by humans. Yes, I know this off the top of my head.
It also ties into the possibility that Legendary Pokémon can breed, but simply won't in captivity.

 

[Luka~]

That's actually not a bad theory and might have some basis in real life. For instance, sloth mating is actually quite fast (no idea how long the pregnancy is, though) and is rarely seen by humans. Yes, I know this off the top of my head.
It also ties into the possibility that Legendary Pokémon can breed, but simply won't in captivity.

I tend to think the same way. It's kind of an interesting thought, really. In all the movies and such where Legendary Pokémon have their little small child or something of the sort, your post made me think of that. ^~^

 

[stage7_4]

I never liked when the anime showed Legendaries having kids, mainly because I thought they cheapened the aspect of "Legendary." Always tried to force my "parallel universe clones" theory to explain how multiple versions of one legend could show up in one place.

At least ORAS seems to agree with that theory, even if HGSS showed that Arceus could have kids. God kids. Sorta.

 

[WaffleTitan]

Speaking of legendaries, is mewtwo the only one with definitive proof that it is the only of its kind(yeah they made multiple, but those failed). I always liked to think that there was only one of each legendary, but is there any proof that there is?

 

[Luka~]

Speaking of legendaries, is mewtwo the only one with definitive proof that it is the only of its kind(yeah they made multiple, but those failed). I always liked to think that there was only one of each legendary, but is there any proof that there is?

Well the Pokedex entries for the beast pokemon (Raikou / Entei / Suicune) say that they are born from instances, suggesting they aren't unique. Raikou being born from lightning strikes, Entei from volcano eruptions, and Suicune from the rain / wind. I also think there's an entry somewhere about Latias' making small herds. I think it's highly likely that there are more than one.

 

[WaffleTitan]

Well the Pokedex entries for the beast pokemon (Raikou / Entei / Suicune) say that they are born from instances, suggesting they aren't unique. Raikou being born from lightning strikes, Entei from volcano eruptions, and Suicune from the rain / wind. I also think there's an entry somewhere about Latias' making small herds. I think it's highly likely that there are more than one.

I know the pokedex entries say stuff like entei was born from a volcano, but how does that fit in with ho-oh resurrecting the beast? It just seems like two contradictory origins.

 

[Luka~]

I know the pokedex entries say stuff like entei was born from a volcano, but how does that fit in with ho-oh resurrecting the beast? It just seems like two contradictory origins.

Or, perhaps two different Entei entirely? =]

 

[JES]

Honestly, that theory is better than any other. Except a stork did it. That's the best.

Basically, Gamefreak invoked MST3K mantra on breeding long ago to preserve that E rating. So Arceus did it is as plausible as we're ever going to get.

(Except the eggs are delivered by Pelippers. Everyone knows that).

Or Delibirds. That would explain why they're so hard to find in the wild: because they are so busy delivering eggs to us competitive breeders. Whenever we have a hard time getting an egg, that is just because there are too many breeders for the poor Delibirds (and Pelippers) to handle.

 

[Detective Barricade]

I know the pokedex entries say stuff like entei was born from a volcano, but how does that fit in with ho-oh resurrecting the beast? It just seems like two contradictory origins.

There's also the matter of an Entei being born whenever a volcano erupts, and whenever it roars a volcano somewhere around the world erupts. So whenever it roars, a volcano erupts, and when that happens another Entei is born?

So every time you trapped it only for it to Roar you away has allowed another to be birthed? That's kind of creepy yet awesome at the same time.

 

[Darth Manaphy]

There's also the matter of an Entei being born whenever a volcano erupts, and whenever it roars a volcano somewhere around the world erupts. So whenever it roars, a volcano erupts, and when that happens another Entei is born?

So every time you trapped it only for it to Roar you away has allowed another to be birthed? That's kind of creepy yet awesome at the same time.

Well, now we know Enteis reproduce asexually. When one wants a kin, it just roars.

 

[Pikachu315111]

I never liked when the anime showed Legendaries having kids, mainly because I thought they cheapened the aspect of "Legendary." Always tried to force my "parallel universe clones" theory to explain how multiple versions of one legend could show up in one place.

At least ORAS seems to agree with that theory, even if HGSS showed that Arceus could have kids. God kids. Sorta.

Well I don't mind them showing young Legendaries who aren't presented as deities. Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Regigigas, Arceus, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zygarde, all these Pokemon are presented as godly beings who live thousands of millenniums, they don't need to breed (and I imagine if they do their eggs would either take a REALLY long time to hatch or the egg won't hatch until the current one dies). However for Legendaries like Lugia, the Legendary trios, Eon Duo, and others, I'm okay with them being able to breed or have active offspring. It all depends on the Legendary.

Speaking of legendaries, is mewtwo the only one with definitive proof that it is the only of its kind(yeah they made multiple, but those failed). I always liked to think that there was only one of each legendary, but is there any proof that there is?

Ah, but how many year's ago was the Mewtwo we know was made? Who's to say a scientist who made Mewtwo didn't go on to another group and sold their services to make a Mewtwo for them? Or maybe a group of explorers found the notes by the scientists who made Mewtwo which detailed their process of creating it? Heck, I have a theory that Mewtwo is just a mutation of Mew and a natural one can exist but its super Super SUPER unlikely to happen (except when it does).

I know the pokedex entries say stuff like entei was born from a volcano, but how does that fit in with ho-oh resurrecting the beast? It just seems like two contradictory origins.

How many times have we said the Pokedex is as factual as The Onion? Or rather its a mix of scientific fact and mythical stories with little to no distinction between what the dex entry falls under.

 

[JES]

I have my own personal theory that the female Mewtwo was created by Team Plasma, similar to Genesect, obviously as an attempt to create a Pokémon that would annihilate any trainers resisting Ghestis's vision of the new world order.
That plan fell flat when she managed to escape like Team Rocket's one, or N ordered Mewtwo's release, disgusted by the idea of genetically altering a Pokémon for war.

 

[Darth Manaphy]

Ah, but how many year's ago was the Mewtwo we know was made? Who's to say a scientist who made Mewtwo didn't go on to another group and sold their services to make a Mewtwo for them? Or maybe a group of explorers found the notes by the scientists who made Mewtwo which detailed their process of creating it? Heck, I have a theory that Mewtwo is just a mutation of Mew and a natural one can exist but its super Super SUPER unlikely to happen (except when it does).

Well, the Genesect Movie Mewtwo is different than OG Mewtwo so that theory's likely. They're scientists! All good scientists know to record your experiments so they can be replicated. It would also be very awkward to find out that the process of creating Mewtwo was documented in an academic journal so anyone can replicate.

Actually, that would be interesting to see: for the man-made Pokemon, do you think there are easy (enough) to follow instructions with how to create them? Maybe Porygon-Z was some grad student's MS Thesis and that's why it's so buggy?

 

[Karxrida]

The lab the original Mewtwo was created in was destroyed. In a fire. And everyone involved had their memories wiped.

 

[WaffleTitan]

Also, movies are different canon than games, so... And I would think that the pokemon world would learn from their mistakes after making the first mewtwo and having it wreck havoc.

 

[Pikachu315111]

I have my own personal theory that the female Mewtwo was created by Team Plasma, similar to Genesect, obviously as an attempt to create a Pokémon that would annihilate any trainers resisting Ghestis's vision of the new world order.
That plan fell flat when she managed to escape like Team Rocket's one, or N ordered Mewtwo's release, disgusted by the idea of genetically altering a Pokémon for war.

You're thinking strictly by what happened in the anime. I'm talking about in the games.

The lab the original Mewtwo was created in was destroyed. In a fire. And everyone involved had their memories wiped.

While I'll give you the original lab was destroyed in a fire (though we did find some of Fuji's journals intact so it's not impossible that maybe some scientific notes survived and I doubt missing information will stop a dedicated scientist. That's what trial and error is for), the scientists memory getting wiped was an anime thing (well, actually in the anime Mewtwo killed the scientists). The game Mewtwo seems to act like a normal Pokemon so I think it would only be concerned with escaping, not really going out of its way to assure whoever survived its escape would not be able to find it. It escaped to a cave surrounded by Pokemon to seclude itself, at least until a 10-12 year old kid just waltz in, beats it up, and shoves it in a ball as a trophy.

 

[Karxrida]

I was talking about the Genesect movie Mewtwo. There were no records on how to make another one so it shouldn't exist.

 

[Pikachu315111]

I was talking about the Genesect movie Mewtwo. There were no records on how to make another one so it shouldn't exist.

True, though playing devil's advocate would Team Rocket really be the only ones who thought "let's clone a Mew" and then through accident or maybe deciding shifting things up to 11 created a Mewtwo? Who's to say there was only one way to make a Mewtwo? Heck, Mewtwo himself built a cloning machine that modified the DNA of the Pokemon it cloned.

Also, movies are different canon than games, so... And I would think that the pokemon world would learn from their mistakes after making the first mewtwo and having it wreck havoc.

Because mad scientists always think about the havoc caused by a previous group attempts when thinking about creating the ultimate Pokemon.

I'm sure if Colress got the notes to make a Mewtwo he wouldn't make one due to previous ones being too destructive...

 

[Darth Manaphy]

Though, what's not to say that they were sending their research back to the mainland Team Rocket servers as a backup? I've learned the hard way a few times in my own research never to trust a single place with all of my data and to record all of the intermediate steps.

Of course the two Mewtwos aren't perfect clones of one another. The second group may have had to put the finishing touches on themselves without knowing what to do and that's why it has a female voice now.