Gen VII: Pokémon Sun and Moon (New info Post #5834)

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skylight said:
Serious though, I really hope we get a bunch of new Pokemon. Nothing in Pokemon excites me more than a whole new generation. That might be because I was heavily involved in Gen 5, but still. EXCITING.
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Same here. This new poke looks pretty sweet and the similarities to Diancie are not coincidence either. It's been a while seen I had any real vigor to see a pokemon movie debut new/existing pokes but this one looks solid.
 
I know Pokémons from subsequent generations have been announced far before their respective games in the past, but I don't think this is the case here. I really do think we might get a 6.5G here.
It's unprecedented, of course, but Gamefreak hasn't really been following patterns these last few gens ; and it would give Z a bigger appeal than any other 3rd version/sequel before. Plus, it's Pokemon's 20th birthday ; the perfect time to do something bid.
As to why they didn't code Magiana in X/Y when they did code Volcanion/Hoopa, well, why didn't they code the ORAS megas but still put Mega-Lati@s ?

I'd even go further, and say/hope Pokemon Z is an NX launch game. That's why they haven't announced the game yet despite showing Zygarde's new forms.
ok i'm reaching a bit but it really would be great tho
 
People in Serebii's forums said that Lucario had cards for its movie, and Zygarde is getting cards for its formes next month. Magiana getting cards probably doesn't mean anything.

Kinglypuff said:
As to why they didn't code Magiana in X/Y when they did code Volcanion/Hoopa, well, why didn't they code the ORAS megas but still put Mega-Lati@s ?
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DummiedOut

Best explanation. Mega Latis were probably cut very late so they could debut in ORAS.
 
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Not a day goes by that I said that I wanted some sort of major news, and I heard about this apparently new Pokémon during the Wonder Trade Wednesday, and had to check Serebii to check it out. Not the type of news we probably wanted, but we're so damned starved for information, I think we'll take what we can! And now I had to come here to check out the reactions and comments. Looks like someone took a bit of inspiration from the Pokéball. Perhaps too much inspiration. Once again, it is hinted that Pokéballs are a really ancient thing (though how that is the case opens up a very big can of worms). That, or the executives can't help but milk the hell out of the motif.

I'm guessing either Steel/Fairy (they seem to be doing Fairies a lot), or calling Psychic/Fairy (putting the Magic and Magia-). Wonder if she will be the Gen 7 equivalent of Mew/Celebi/Jirachi/Shaymin/Victini/Diancie?

Hopefully, this means that they're getting close to announcing Z already (that, or our adventures in Kalos are over).
 
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Pikachu315111 said:
I'm going to assume you mean England as English covers a wide variety of places. ;P
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Yes I do mean England, instead of the English language. Other "English" countries clearly have no monarchy.
I didn't use the word British because I do not want to include Scotland or Wales.
I don't think I'm using it wrongly.

http://www.pokebeach.com/2016/02/pokemon-league-schedule-hinting-at-fall-z-game

This seems pretty interesting and suspicious. Any TCGers around that could shed some more light on this?
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I want to know too.
I don't play TCG neither.
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http://www.pokebeach.com/2016/02/pokemon-league-schedule-hinting-at-fall-z-game

This seems pretty interesting and suspicious. Any TCGers around that could shed some more light on this?​
 
I play. There's absolutely nothing to be taken from it. The league season names aren't in sync with the set releases. The NEXT set is the one that has the zygarde formes, I.e fates collide, but it also has Alakazam as a feature card. The new friends thing could be literally anything or nothing. It's unlikely to be Magearana since that's september's league, though magi might predate that in releases.

Not enough context, basically.

Btw seriously you guys call yourselves competitive fans and don't play the card game pssssssh :P
 
Regarding the TCG thing, there would somewhat be a takeaway if they bothered to announce officially that they were making a new game. Unfortunately, Magiana is likely to recieve the same treatment as Zygarde; the official sites will probably only mention it in the anime sections. We can't guarantee that, should Magiana show up in September merchandise, that she would be there to directly promote the next game(s)
 
Kinglypuff said:
I'd even go further, and say/hope Pokemon Z is an NX launch game. That's why they haven't announced the game yet despite showing Zygarde's new forms.
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To me, there are so many reasons why it doesn't make sense for Z to be an NX game:

  • First of all, if it is indeed a successor to XY, the same way Platinum built on DP and Emerald on RS (and I believe I've already stated the reasons why I think it is), it would make no sense not to reuse the assets of a game that is already coded for the 3DS. In a sense, Pokémon Z is 90 % finished already, and sold as X and Y versions. 10-20 % more work, and they have another complete game ready to ship. That business model has been around since Yellow. It's almost as old as Pokémon itself. Not making Z like that would practically be turning down money.
  • The 3DS is entirely capable of running the game engine (albeit at sub-optimal frame rates), as demonstrated by XY and ORAS. There is no need to wait for the NX to be able run the game.
  • Flipping that line of thought over, what gain could there possibly be from launching it on the NX? If the game is coded for the 3DS and/or is mainly built on 3DS-coded assets (the Kalos region), there would be no advantages to gain by running it on the NX. Super Mario 64 still has Nintendo 64 graphics, even if you run it on the Wii.
  • Continuing on the above, what reason would there be to not utilize the new features of the NX when making the first NX Pokémon game? Why insist on porting over a previous-console game, instead of making a proper NX game from the get go?
  • The NX is still many months if not years away. There would be plenty of time to release another game for the 3DS while the NX is in development. If they managed to create ORAS in a year after the release of XY, they certainly could give XY the bells and whistles it needs to become Z in the same time span, and still have a comfortable amount of time left over for NX game development. Using that time to make a semi-finished 3DS game an NX game instead, would just be pointless.
  • They wouldn't save any time or money making Z an NX game either. They'd still need to create an "NX engine" for Pokémon games for the next game. If the first NX Pokémon game was at heart a 3DS game, there's a lot more work to be done for the next NX Pokémon game. Might as well do it properly the first time (code Gen VII from scratch) rather than doing it half-assed once (porting over Z from the 3DS) then having to start over again. To put it another way, even if XY had been running on BW's engine, they'd still have to create the "Kalos engine" to make ORAS.
I realize that many of those points could be counter-argued by pointing to LoZ: Twilight Princess, which was a GameCube game released for the Wii (and the GameCube too, actually). Still, Twilight Princess was built from the ground up, and was intended to release for the GameCube only, but development took too long and the game was ported to the Wii as that console was finished before the game was (and somewhat lacked titles at launch). Pokémon Z will, for all intents and purposes, be an extension of Pokémon X and Y, which were made specifically for the 3DS. There are no indicators that development would take so long that it'd make more sense to release for the NX than for the 3DS.

I stand by my point: There is one more game left for Gen VI, and Magiana is for all intents and purposes a Gen VII Pokémon revealed early. It may have a small role to play in Z, but its "home" will be Gen VII.
 
There's also the issue that nobody really knows what the fuck the NX is, what it does, or what it's capable of. I've heard conflicting rumors on its status as a console or a console/portable hybrid.

We don't have enough info on the system to make informed guesses as to whether or not main Pokemon games will be on it.
 
Yep we don't know what the NX is right now. First it was rumoured to be a hybrid then later on other reports said no it wasn't and it was just a home console, then we had people saying it was a handheld. And on and on it goes.

I'm just waiting for Nintendo's announcement instead of listening to the rumours.

Cresselia~~ said:
Yes I do mean England, instead of the English language. Other "English" countries clearly have no monarchy.
I didn't use the word British because I do not want to include Scotland or Wales.
I don't think I'm using it wrongly.
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I'm surprised you didn't include Wales. The poor sods always get lumped in with England when it comes to official records, and for nearly 700 years you've had the heir apparent to the English throne being given the title Prince of Wales. I wouldn't blame anyone for thinking England and Wales were one country, because honestly they might as well be.

Just watch, if Gen VII is Poke-England then Wales will be a part of it. Those guys can't catch a break.
 
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Daemul said:
I'm surprised you didn't include Wales. The poor sods always get lumped in with England when it comes to official records, and for nearly 700 years you've had the heir apparent to the English throne being given the title Prince of Wales. I wouldn't blame anyone for thinking England and Wales were one country, because honestly they might as well be.

Just watch, if Gen VII is Poke-England then Wales will be apart of it. Those guys can't catch a break.
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Game Freak likes coasts, so maybe it'd be broadly Poke-UK, or Poke-GB + Poke-ROI... although the latter is wishful thinking on my part since I wanna EV train outside Poke-my house :V Less so if it's coined Poke-British Isles because that's really not PC :V

Although equally it could just be Poke-London, a la Poke-NY, but the lack of a workable coastline makes that unlikely IMO.
This isn't really Z discussion at this point and I risk going in to full-on theorymon/wishlisting, but I will say some variation on Poke-UK is super likely at some point in the future. The UK is an important market for Game Freak, probably moreso than France (but France gets style points :P) and at infinity Game Freak have Pokemon versions of pretty much everywhere.
 
Kurona said:
The only problem I have with the idea of Magiana being a Gen 7 'mon is that it puts too many archetypes together.

We've had an Event Mon share a movie with a Next Gen mon before (Genesect and Mega Mewtwo Y), and Event Mons sharing the movie with the box legendaries is practically constant. But a movie where an Event Mon, box cover Mon and a next gen Mon share a movie? Something about that seems... odd.

THEN AGAIN MAGIANA IS SHARING THE SPOTLIGHT WITH THOSE TWO ANYWAY SO WHATEVER I GUESS, WHAT IS FOCUS
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Maybe they are cramming in so many new legendaries in hopes of cramming in the epic/excitement factor. What better way to get young fans to drag their parents to the movie theaters (or throw a tantrum if they don't want to cooperate)? And this is the same movie that Zygarde appears in? Wow.

Seems like a bunch of artists are getting on the fanart bandwagon... Hmmm... Should I?
 
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JES said:
Maybe they are cramming in so many new legendaries in hopes of cramming in the epic/excitement factor. What better way to get young fans to drag their parents to the movie theaters (or throw a tantrum if they don't want to cooperate)? And this is the same movie that Zygarde appears in? Wow.

Seems like a bunch of artists are getting on the fanart bandwagon... Hmmm... Should I?
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Go ahead mate; why not, y'know?

It's kind of weird that the first teaser for the Movie had Zygarde... and now we've seen a lot of it in the actual anime but nothing about it being in the movie. Very strange...
 
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Kurona said:
Go ahead mate; why not, y'know?

It's kind of weird that the first teaser for the Movie had Zygarde... and now we've seen a lot of it in the actual anime but nothing about it being in the movie. Very strange...
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Eh, I was actually kinda talking to myself, but yeah, that confirms what I'm going to practice drawing today. Should make for an easy project, and maybe for once, I'II ACTUALLY FINISH SOMETHING!!!
Assuming I can keep concentrated enough, while also trying to catch up on all these posts. OCD is pretty bad when you have TWO DIFFERENT THINGS PULLING YOU IN MORE THAN ONE DIRECTION!!! I know it will still take several hours for me to complete said sketch to satisfaction, because I just HAVE to make it PERFECT!!!


Kinglypuff said:
I'd even go further, and say/hope Pokemon Z is an NX launch game. That's why they haven't announced the game yet despite showing Zygarde's new forms.
ok i'm reaching a bit but it really would be great tho
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Oh please, HELL NO!!! I don't want to get a new game console yet!!!
 
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Kurona said:
Go ahead mate; why not, y'know?

It's kind of weird that the first teaser for the Movie had Zygarde... and now we've seen a lot of it in the actual anime but nothing about it being in the movie. Very strange...
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I don't find it odd at all. Think about it in terms of an anime watcher. The first teaser featured Zygarde because we didn't know it was a thing like that. Then it showed up in the anime and you're like "Oh, it's following Ash and the gang around and can take on these other forms too." So the origins of Zygarde are well established now and the only question left with him is "Why does he become Perfect form?". So, instead of getting a trailer that showcases Zygarde and probably more of the climax of the movie like the Batman vs. Superman trailers are doing (the Perfect Zygarde scene OBVIOUSLY looks like the climax doesn't it?) they show off the beginning and middle of the movie.
 
AJC said:
Poke-Britain better have poke-Ireland with poke-Glasgow and all the stereotypes.
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Uh, Glasgow is in Scotland, not in Ireland.

As for Gen VII to be Poké-Britain, I find that line of reasoning extremely thin, and also, Gen VII is still quite some time away as far as we're all concerned. Through the official channels, we know nothing about any games beyond ORAS, so starting to delve into specifics about Gen VII is rather pointless at this time. Maybe we'll have more info when Magiana is revealed worldwide, which should be at some point early next week.
 
If I'm not mistaken, the first episode of the XY&Z arc of the anime is supposed to air in the US on the 20th. Though it's fairly unlikely we'll hear anything new then, there's always a chance we may get some sort of information about our phantom game then. The games operate on an international release now, so it honestly wouldn't surprise me if they're waiting to formally announce something right as their giant infomercial show starts to air in the US (and has aired a little in Japan), to generate max hype. Because we all know Game Freak doesn't believe that 21st century US kids know how to use the internet.
 
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