Gen VII: Pokémon Sun and Moon (New info Post #5834)

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According to translation sites, one definition of "koma" means "game piece" (as in a Chess or Shogi piece). So "Koma Master" certainly seems like the actual title unless the shortened it to "Ko-Master". Wonder what the English name would be then.
 
According to translation sites, one definition of "koma" means "game piece" (as in a Chess or Shogi piece). So "Koma Master" certainly seems like the actual title unless the shortened it to "Ko-Master". Wonder what the English name would be then.
Or if it is even coming state-side... Probably something like pokemom battle master.
EDIT: it would probably depend on a couple of factors on the whole "coming state-side bit." Since they are doing it as a collaboration. If Pokemon Shuffle Mobile is selling well over here, the they may consider bringing it over, if it is a question if it is going to or not. Another factor would be if they perceive it to be a game people outside Japan would play (odds are yes) since that would als be considered. (And why an international version of Go, were it not already announced, would have been inevitable. The game has pretty universal appeal.)
 
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This was just released on the Japanese Pokémon YouTube channel.


Looks like a retrospective of the franchise with no info on Sun and Moon, but I can't read anything so who knows.
Wow, that video was a waste of time. It would have been fine if that was what use to introduce us to Sun and Moon or if it gave us any new information (like a release date instead of the still vague Winter 2016), but it didn't. I know it was a way to celebrate the 20th anniversary, but still. We had something similar in the Pokémon Direct.
I half wish this new one would be on the 3DS too because I think I'm one of 10% of 8th graders that some how doesn't have a phone yet.
If it makes you feel better, I'm a college graduate and I still have a flip phone.
 
The spin-off overdose kind of makes sense to me considering an anniversary lead-up. Pokken is awesome, Go is a celebratory thing that brings a lot of people back to the franchise, Mystery Dungeon celebrates the most loved spin-off title of the series...
Now if only they'd stop doing those fucking free to play titles
All the free to play titles are mostly a sign of the times, just like paid DLC. They're cheaper, quicker, and easier to produce, and can usually lead to some good profits, so companies will probably continue making them until one of those things changes.
 
someone should make a thread for that as it does not involve sun/moon.

speaking of sun/moon, it's a new generation but z at the same time since it involves zygarde. my theory is that one core gets its energy from the sun, and the other gets its energy from the moon. they each make a 50% form and together they make 100%.
 
I find it rather perplexing that so many people are so adamant that Sun/Moon will have anything to do with Gen 6's storyline. For starters, what indicators are there that this new region (because it's a new generation it wont take place in Kalos) will take place near Kalos? If the region the guy who gives you the Strange Souvenir is next, then it won't be close to Kalos. This is currently one of the few hints as to where the next games will take place, and even then it isnt a solid clue. (Going by concept art though... It is plausible.)

And if Zygarde is the main focus of Sun/Moon, what does that mean for version legendaries? Are they not going to be there? Will they be the first version legendaries since gen 2 to not feature in the main story? Will Complete Zygarde be on both boxes? And while we're at it, what would that mean for the lore for the region? After all, the legendaries tend to feature pretty prominately in the lore for a particular region. Heck, does that mean retconning it so each region have a Zygarde since it was stated in the Pokedex that it monitors Kalos's ecosystem? Why would a team care about a legendary pokemon from another region then? Did Lysander survive his implied death?

I would like to know how tying Gen 7 to Gen 6 so much would make sense from a storytelling perspective, cus with so many people expecting it so much... I am missing something.
 
I find it rather perplexing that so many people are so adamant that Sun/Moon will have anything to do with Gen 6's storyline. For starters, what indicators are there that this new region (because it's a new generation it wont take place in Kalos) will take place near Kalos? If the region the guy who gives you the Strange Souvenir is next, then it won't be close to Kalos. This is currently one of the few hints as to where the next games will take place, and even then it isnt a solid clue. (Going by concept art though... It is plausible.)

And if Zygarde is the main focus of Sun/Moon, what does that mean for version legendaries? Are they not going to be there? Will they be the first version legendaries since gen 2 to not feature in the main story? Will Complete Zygarde be on both boxes? And while we're at it, what would that mean for the lore for the region? After all, the legendaries tend to feature pretty prominately in the lore for a particular region. Heck, does that mean retconning it so each region have a Zygarde since it was stated in the Pokedex that it monitors Kalos's ecosystem? Why would a team care about a legendary pokemon from another region then? Did Lysander survive his implied death?

I would like to know how tying Gen 7 to Gen 6 so much would make sense from a storytelling perspective, cus with so many people expecting it so much... I am missing something.
What evidence says that it won't be next to or close to Kalos? If it does take inspiration from Hawai'i or other polynesian, micronesian, or melanesian islands, well there's an ocean west of Kalos, isn't there? It could very well be a simple boat ride to and from the region. We don't know for sure yet. The reason why we're so hellbent on gen 7 being connected to Kalos is because of all the unanswered questions we have about Kalos. Not to mention, it's the 20th anniversary and maybe Nintendo/Game Freak wanted to give us a good ol' throwback to gen 1 and 2 by making the new region very closely related to Kalos.

We're still thinking that the legends of the new region may somehow connect to unlocking Zygarde's 100% form. That form includes colors on the chest that closely match the colors associated with XY and now (possibly) SM. But of course, we're only speculating based on how little information we have so far. It just doesn't make sense to leave Kalos alone when we've only explored it for a single year (before ORAS came out). It still feels empty.

Still, we have Corocoro leaks coming out very soon, so hopefully we'll get some more information to pick apart.
 
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Why does there even have to be new "cover" legends? If Zygarde is to be the main focus of the story (key word is if) they can easily put the two different cores on the cover. To be honest, I would be really surprised if they didn't make him the focus of the game, mostly because it goes against the standard at this point to do so. Making a old legendary the focus of a new gen is something if mentioned a few months ago no one would have thought they would do, and would be a refreshing change of pace. Not to mention, legends take a lot more development time and this could save some of that as well as ideas for later generations.
 
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Why does there even have to be new "cover" legends? If Zygarde is to be the main focus of the story (key word is if) they can easily put the two different cores on the cover. To be honest, I would be really surprised if they didn't make him the focus of the game, mostly because it goes against the standard at this point to do so. Making a old legendary the focus of a new gen is something if mentioned a few months ago no one would have thought they would do, and would be a refreshing change of pace. Not to mention, legends take a lot more development time and this could save some of that as well as ideas for later generations.
Eh, I think having paired versions with essentially the same Pokémon on each cover (yes, they have lore differences, but it's been stated that ZyDog and ZyGod are the same type as Zygarde and what other differences would they implement) would be kind of boring for the fanbase. There's less of a feeling of choosing your favorite and more of choosing a slightly recolored Zygarde.
 
Eh, I think having paired versions with essentially the same Pokémon on each cover (yes, they have lore differences, but it's been stated that ZyDog and ZyGod are the same type as Zygarde and what other differences would they implement) would be kind of boring for the fanbase. There's less of a feeling of choosing your favorite and more of choosing a slightly recolored Zygarde.
You forget that there was never truly a chose your favorite until 3rd gen. Also, boring is subjective. There isn't any polls out there to state what the fanbase would find it boring or not as a whole, but I know that I personally, and a few others don't find it boring. Also, the cover would be the cores, not the 10%/100% formes. You know like Squishy, and the blue one that is unnamed. Which btw Squishy already somewhat fits with the title of Sun, he has been shown to draw power from it. The other core can easily draw power from the moon making Sun and Moon amazing titles for them to be covers on. ~shrug~
 
I'm not suggesting they are related but I think it's cool how a dragon/ground type & dragon/flying type are the guardians of the Earth when their ecosystems are out of control.

I could see Zygarde being another "trio master" which would put it in the same company as Arceus.
 
What evidence says that it won't be next to or close to Kalos? If it does take inspiration from Hawai'i or other polynesian, micronesian, or melanesian islands, well there's an ocean west of Kalos, isn't there? It could very well be a simple boat ride to and from the region.
If it's the region that the backpacker who gives you the Strange Souvenir is from, then according to the item's description:
An ornament depicting a Pokémon that is venerated as a protector in some region far from Kalos
Sure there's an ocean to the west of Kalos, but when the description says Far from Kalos... it's more than a simple boat ride.

Why does there even have to be new "cover" legends? If Zygarde is to be the main focus of the story (key word is if) they can easily put the two different cores on the cover. To be honest, I would be really surprised if they didn't make him the focus of the game, mostly because it goes against the standard at this point to do so. Making a old legendary the focus of a new gen is something if mentioned a few months ago no one would have thought they would do, and would be a refreshing change of pace. Not to mention, legends take a lot more development time and this could save some of that as well as ideas for later generations.
Putting the two different cores seems pretty bad from a design standpoint and could lead to some parental angst when Christmas/birthday shopping. (Pro Tip: Never underestimate someone's inability to read a game cover, especially when a lot of them are in one place. Trust me, I know from experience, they do kinda run together.) Having the covers be fairly visually distinct seems best, meaning the Pokemon shown should be different. Granted, with Zygarde it's not that big of an issue since there are 4 formes that are fairly distinct. Pick two, and you got the covers. That said, cover legends tend to be fairly popular additions to the Pokedex, so why wouldn't they want to make new ones? And if they are going to make new ones, why not focus the story around them? Heck, If they do make version exclusive legendaries, but focus the story around Zygarde... why put them on the box when they aren't significant to the story? Plus I doubt their development takes a lot more time compared to other Pokemon. Even then, since they have usually been a major part of the story the extra time doesn't seem a waste, since their creation would tie in with, or be a good starting spot for the world building they would already do as part of making the game.
 
What works against the two core / Zygarde = box legend thing for me is that we know of three Zygarde formes and they change by cell percentage. Can't see this working like Kyurem White/Kyurem Black for that reason.
 
The developers also stated in an interview once that they basically design Uber legendaries to look good on a box, since they are the "face" of the game where it lies in the shelves. They have to be badass and immediately recognizable, as the game's cover will effectively serve as a sales poster. If they put Zygarde 100 % on one cover and 15 % on another, the former is likely to outsell the latter by a huge margin. Kids want the most powerful Pokémon, and immediately go for the version featuring the "best" forme - even though they're both obtainable in-game. Put Zygarde 50 % on one version, and it'd be mostly ignored since Zygarde is an "old" Pokémon and whatever is on the other cover will be a "new" one.

Besides, the colour schemes of the versions have been revealed, and Zygarde's characteristic black and green are nowhere to be seen. The colour of the box art Pokémon has matched the colours of the version (or stood in stark contrast to it, for B/W) since the very beginning. It's exceedingly likely that Sun's cover Pokémon will be orange and red, and Moon's will be various shades of blue.

Also, I'm kinda surprised that CoroCoro wasn't leaked already. It usually happens in the early morning (Europe time) on the 11th. Guess we'll have to be on the lookout throughout the day, or it'll come when I'm still sleeping tomorrow.
 
The developers also stated in an interview once that they basically design Uber legendaries to look good on a box, since they are the "face" of the game where it lies in the shelves. They have to be badass and immediately recognizable, as the game's cover will effectively serve as a sales poster. If they put Zygarde 100 % on one cover and 15 % on another, the former is likely to outsell the latter by a huge margin. Kids want the most powerful Pokémon, and immediately go for the version featuring the "best" forme - even though they're both obtainable in-game. Put Zygarde 50 % on one version, and it'd be mostly ignored since Zygarde is an "old" Pokémon and whatever is on the other cover will be a "new" one.

Besides, the colour schemes of the versions have been revealed, and Zygarde's characteristic black and green are nowhere to be seen. The colour of the box art Pokémon has matched the colours of the version (or stood in stark contrast to it, for B/W) since the very beginning. It's exceedingly likely that Sun's cover Pokémon will be orange and red, and Moon's will be various shades of blue.

Also, I'm kinda surprised that CoroCoro wasn't leaked already. It usually happens in the early morning (Europe time) on the 11th. Guess we'll have to be on the lookout throughout the day, or it'll come when I'm still sleeping tomorrow.

Which is why I said, if they do use Zygarde, they could give it new version exclusive Formes. If there are two Zygarde Cores then I think it makes sense. Red Core will have a Forme that has its red color come through and be something related to the Sun. Meanwhile Blue Core's will do the same with blue an being something related to the Moon. Also I'm saying it's a 75% Forme as that way they could have them have a BST of 680 thus letting Perfect having a BST maybe equaling the Kyurem Formes or Arceus. Heck, they could also give it a 25% Forme (As I vision it, 10% is 480 BST, 25% is 580 BST, 50% is 600 BST, 75% is 680 BST, and finally Perfect is 700/720 BST), though I doubt that Forme would be on the cover.
 
The developers also stated in an interview once that they basically design Uber legendaries to look good on a box, since they are the "face" of the game where it lies in the shelves. They have to be badass and immediately recognizable, as the game's cover will effectively serve as a sales poster. If they put Zygarde 100 % on one cover and 15 % on another, the former is likely to outsell the latter by a huge margin. Kids want the most powerful Pokémon, and immediately go for the version featuring the "best" forme - even though they're both obtainable in-game. Put Zygarde 50 % on one version, and it'd be mostly ignored since Zygarde is an "old" Pokémon and whatever is on the other cover will be a "new" one.

Besides, the colour schemes of the versions have been revealed, and Zygarde's characteristic black and green are nowhere to be seen. The colour of the box art Pokémon has matched the colours of the version (or stood in stark contrast to it, for B/W) since the very beginning. It's exceedingly likely that Sun's cover Pokémon will be orange and red, and Moon's will be various shades of blue.

Also, I'm kinda surprised that CoroCoro wasn't leaked already. It usually happens in the early morning (Europe time) on the 11th. Guess we'll have to be on the lookout throughout the day, or it'll come when I'm still sleeping tomorrow.
We've been a bit pampered the last couple of months on getting the earliest possible leaks. We'll probably get it by the end of tomorrow.

It'd be a nice birthday present, assuming it's not exclusively movie stuff.
 
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