How soon after the XY trailer did Nintendo reveal the Xerneas and Yveltal details (typing, name, etc.)?
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Gen VII: Pokémon Sun and Moon (New info Post #5834)
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Nelson Tangela Xerneas and Yveltal's typings were not revealed until either August or September 2013, if I recall correctly. I don't even remember the Gen 5 and 6 pre-release information...
If I remember correctly, the names were revealed the day after the 1st trailer. However, I think typings were around E3, since the Fairy type was revealed in an E3 trailer. Either that or we just sorta knew Xerneas was a Fairy-type after that because of the leaks, I can't remember.
Also before anyone says it, I highly doubt we're getting Pokemon information this E3, since Nintendo has said they're only showing Zelda for Wii U / NX this E3. We COULD get some Pokemon info during the NX reveal event (which is at an unknown date), but I sorta doubt it.
Oh right, it would have made sense for them to wait, since they wanted to keep the Fairy-typing a secret. I was just thinking that MAYBE we'll get some more info on the SM cover legendaries.
I'm fairly confident that we should expect the legendaries' names, height and weight quite soon. Those guys are going to be on the box arts, and thus need to be recognisable and marketable. They will be the faces of the new games, so their names should be on as many lips as possible. Keeping everything secret but the design makes it hard to discuss them/hype them up, and there's the danger of a popular moniker becoming so widespread that the actual name won't stick (There were traces of this with Snivy in BW, for instance - everybody just called it Smugleaf). It is fairly safe to keep the typing, stats, movepools and abilities secret, though. The lack of that information will just incite more discussion (and therefore, generate more buzz), so when the legendaries are "officially" revealed, I don't expect anything other than their names, their height and their weight.
We might also get some early-route Pokémon, if XY's pre-release period is anything to go by. The wireframe bird and that weird quadruped (Dog? Cat? Deer?) appearing for a split second in that Japanese trailer, are both hot candidates. As is any early dex fodder, probably revealing typing, height/weight and a move or two. Enough to keep fans satisfied, not so much as to spoil everything.
If Gen VII introduces some new mechanics, we should also expect those quite early in the pre-release period. Again, it's a matter of getting the hype going. Mega Evolutions were revealed in June when XY were announced, if I remember correctly.
We might also get some early-route Pokémon, if XY's pre-release period is anything to go by. The wireframe bird and that weird quadruped (Dog? Cat? Deer?) appearing for a split second in that Japanese trailer, are both hot candidates. As is any early dex fodder, probably revealing typing, height/weight and a move or two. Enough to keep fans satisfied, not so much as to spoil everything.
If Gen VII introduces some new mechanics, we should also expect those quite early in the pre-release period. Again, it's a matter of getting the hype going. Mega Evolutions were revealed in June when XY were announced, if I remember correctly.
The Japanese names have already been leaked through a patent/copyright(can't remember which) - the box legendaries are called Solgaleo and Lunaala, and it's been a trend to have most boxart legends have identical (or otherwise extremely similar) names in all languages. Solgaleo probably doesn't need any romanization at all and is probably what the Sun box legend will be localized as, while Lunaala seems to feel a bit... off... It'll probably have a minor alteration to its name.
That wasn't official though. Like... we've known about Volcanion since a few days after XY was released, but it wasn't officially revealed until December '15.
That has nothing to do with what he's saying lol.
We all knew about Volcanion's English name since it was "released" with the worldwide release of XY, and no prior knowledge of it existed. Solgaleo and Lunaala's names were trademarked in the same vein as Rowlet's, Litten's, and Popplio's Japanese names, and they have been known for 8-9 months prior to SM's release date. Tradition has it so box art legendary names rarely have alterations to keep them universally known (it goes back to Codraroll's point on them being the face of marketing due to their status as box art legends) so evidence likely points to them keeping those names or having small alterations to them (moreso for Lunaala than Solgaleo, which could be changed to Lunara or Lunala).
In spite of all this, they could also be completely different as well. Until we get the English names, the Japanese trademarks are the best way to refer to these apart from "Sun / Moon legend".
We all knew about Volcanion's English name since it was "released" with the worldwide release of XY, and no prior knowledge of it existed. Solgaleo and Lunaala's names were trademarked in the same vein as Rowlet's, Litten's, and Popplio's Japanese names, and they have been known for 8-9 months prior to SM's release date. Tradition has it so box art legendary names rarely have alterations to keep them universally known (it goes back to Codraroll's point on them being the face of marketing due to their status as box art legends) so evidence likely points to them keeping those names or having small alterations to them (moreso for Lunaala than Solgaleo, which could be changed to Lunara or Lunala).
In spite of all this, they could also be completely different as well. Until we get the English names, the Japanese trademarks are the best way to refer to these apart from "Sun / Moon legend".
Sol and Luna are sun and moon in Spanish and many Roman based languages.
Coincidentally sol-ga-leo means Sun and obviously Leo for lion or the constellation, GA could be a chemical element but I'm pulling the straws here.
Lunala is Luna-Ala means moon-wing in Spanish, I should note that the moon is freaking important in a lot of cultures but the fact that they choose a bat and went for a direct Spanish think makes me suspect this could be related to the God of sacrifices the Moon bat wich in several myths showed humans how to perform the sacrifices to please the God.
I'm pulling the straws here, but those names are Spanish as fuck, the fact that mesoamerican cultures had a Bat as an important figure could be a coincidence that I'm somehow willing to bank in.
The names really roll the tongue in Spanish.
Coincidentally sol-ga-leo means Sun and obviously Leo for lion or the constellation, GA could be a chemical element but I'm pulling the straws here.
Lunala is Luna-Ala means moon-wing in Spanish, I should note that the moon is freaking important in a lot of cultures but the fact that they choose a bat and went for a direct Spanish think makes me suspect this could be related to the God of sacrifices the Moon bat wich in several myths showed humans how to perform the sacrifices to please the God.
I'm pulling the straws here, but those names are Spanish as fuck, the fact that mesoamerican cultures had a Bat as an important figure could be a coincidence that I'm somehow willing to bank in.
The names really roll the tongue in Spanish.
Remember, there was another English sounding trademark alongside Solgaleo and Lunaala: Marshadow.
I'm curious, is there any precedent in gamefreak trademarking the "third legendary" way before a third version?
The Marshadow trademark intrigues me, because normally when it comes to third legendaries (if Marshadow is one, and its international sounding name sure sounds like one), they're supposed to be a post game secret of some sorts. So lets say Marshadow is the counterpart of Solgaleo and Lunaala: if so, why trademark it so early? Does this indicate that it might actually get a pre release reveal?
Sorry if this seems like too much speculation, I'm just really interested in why Marshadow was trademarked so early if its the third legendary like its name hints at.
I'm curious, is there any precedent in gamefreak trademarking the "third legendary" way before a third version?
The Marshadow trademark intrigues me, because normally when it comes to third legendaries (if Marshadow is one, and its international sounding name sure sounds like one), they're supposed to be a post game secret of some sorts. So lets say Marshadow is the counterpart of Solgaleo and Lunaala: if so, why trademark it so early? Does this indicate that it might actually get a pre release reveal?
Sorry if this seems like too much speculation, I'm just really interested in why Marshadow was trademarked so early if its the third legendary like its name hints at.
Well, Mew was one of the first Japanese Pokemon trademarks and knowing that most people didn't even know what Mew was for a while after the games came out, Marshadow probably won't be revealed anytime soon.
I can imagine that they came up with the concept for this trio early and trademarked them all together since lawyers generally don't think or pay much attention to leaks and would want to get concepts done ASAP.
To give some basis for ideas, I want to compile some information regarding XY's pre-release info:
Jan: Trailer reveal, starters and legendaries shown. Starter typing, no legendary typing. We saw new locales, returning Pokemon, the new main character, and moves.
Feb: Ninfia, later revealed as Sylveon, was announced. No typing given.
April: Mega Mewtwo Y was shown, but we didn't know what Megas were either back then.
May: Pancham, Helioptile, Gogoat and Fletchling were revealed. We saw more of the world, rideable pokemon. Name of the region revealed, along with being able to choose the skin and hair of your character.
June: Noivern, Vivillon, Talonflame, Skrelp and Clauncher were revealed. We also had reveals of Scatterbug, Spewpa, Litleo, and Flabebe. Pokemon Amie was shown. The host of rivals/friends were revealed as well. Fairy type was announced here.
July: Honedge, Pangoro, Spritzee, Swirlix, Team Flare, Holocaster. Xerneas and Yveltal's types are revealed, as are their signature moves. Inkay and Malamar are revealed as well. Professor is shown. PSS features are revealed.
August: Bunnelby, Dedenne, Skiddo, Mega Evolution (Mewtwo, Lucario, Blaziken, Ampharos, Mawile, Absol), Gym Leaders
September: Starter second evolutions, Pyroar, Furfrou, Meowstic, Tyrunt + Tyrantrum, Amaura + Aurorus, More Megas, Doublade, More character customization
October: Aromatisse and Slurpuff, Mega Evolutions X (Charizard and Mewtwo)
Other stuff I couldn't find dates for: Trevenant, shown at a special E3 event I beleive
Based on all of this, I find it unlikely that we'll be getting second evolutions of the starters anytime soon. Early rodents, dogs, pikaclones and birds might be likely simply because of what's been seen in the trailer, but I wouldn't count on it. Ninfia/Sylveon was a pokemon that showed off a lot of what made X and Y new (fairy-type, though it wasn't announced, and friendship) so I wouldn't be surprised if they have some similar Pokemon up their sleeve to really give up what Sun and Moon are really all about.
I took "Ga" to be part of "gal" for "galaxy".
Jan: Trailer reveal, starters and legendaries shown. Starter typing, no legendary typing. We saw new locales, returning Pokemon, the new main character, and moves.
Feb: Ninfia, later revealed as Sylveon, was announced. No typing given.
April: Mega Mewtwo Y was shown, but we didn't know what Megas were either back then.
May: Pancham, Helioptile, Gogoat and Fletchling were revealed. We saw more of the world, rideable pokemon. Name of the region revealed, along with being able to choose the skin and hair of your character.
June: Noivern, Vivillon, Talonflame, Skrelp and Clauncher were revealed. We also had reveals of Scatterbug, Spewpa, Litleo, and Flabebe. Pokemon Amie was shown. The host of rivals/friends were revealed as well. Fairy type was announced here.
July: Honedge, Pangoro, Spritzee, Swirlix, Team Flare, Holocaster. Xerneas and Yveltal's types are revealed, as are their signature moves. Inkay and Malamar are revealed as well. Professor is shown. PSS features are revealed.
August: Bunnelby, Dedenne, Skiddo, Mega Evolution (Mewtwo, Lucario, Blaziken, Ampharos, Mawile, Absol), Gym Leaders
September: Starter second evolutions, Pyroar, Furfrou, Meowstic, Tyrunt + Tyrantrum, Amaura + Aurorus, More Megas, Doublade, More character customization
October: Aromatisse and Slurpuff, Mega Evolutions X (Charizard and Mewtwo)
Other stuff I couldn't find dates for: Trevenant, shown at a special E3 event I beleive
Based on all of this, I find it unlikely that we'll be getting second evolutions of the starters anytime soon. Early rodents, dogs, pikaclones and birds might be likely simply because of what's been seen in the trailer, but I wouldn't count on it. Ninfia/Sylveon was a pokemon that showed off a lot of what made X and Y new (fairy-type, though it wasn't announced, and friendship) so I wouldn't be surprised if they have some similar Pokemon up their sleeve to really give up what Sun and Moon are really all about.
I took "Ga" to be part of "gal" for "galaxy".
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I'm pretty sure Solgaleo's name is incorporating Galileo, the astronomer that discovered that the earth revolves around the Sun.
It does, because Nintendo/GF doesn't give a **** what we know from leaks or datamining. They would still call it "news" and release it as such when the time comes. Just because those trademarks were leaked and we can assume that those will be the worldwide names, doesn't mean that they won't reveal "Solgaleo" and "Lunaala" the day after tomorrow, call it "spectacular great awesome over 9000 news" and tell us to be happy with what we get...
In fact, if I had to guess what we'll be getting in the coming days, I'd put my money on those names and nothing/not much more of substance.
We had all of these discussions when the names were originally dropped...
http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...-up-to-date-news.3549746/page-77#post-6771045
Onwards basically... I think every single permutation of the names was explored.
Also I'll link to this reddit post again for the drops of names etc for the previous gens - http://imgur.com/a/VEJKJ#0 Which is correct up until Gen 6's releases. We had to wait 5 months before we got early mons so... Don't get your hopes up too much.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...-up-to-date-news.3549746/page-77#post-6771045
Onwards basically... I think every single permutation of the names was explored.
Also I'll link to this reddit post again for the drops of names etc for the previous gens - http://imgur.com/a/VEJKJ#0 Which is correct up until Gen 6's releases. We had to wait 5 months before we got early mons so... Don't get your hopes up too much.
One thing to consider:
With Black and White, we got a lot of Pokemon announced pre-release and there were many announced each time there was an update. With X and Y, the amount each time was much less and information came slower.
I think how many Pokemon we see over the next 2 months will be a good gauge as to about how many Pokemon we can expect to see introduced this generation.
With Black and White, we got a lot of Pokemon announced pre-release and there were many announced each time there was an update. With X and Y, the amount each time was much less and information came slower.
I think how many Pokemon we see over the next 2 months will be a good gauge as to about how many Pokemon we can expect to see introduced this generation.
I'm pretty sure the next update will only cover the new legendaries :)
Unless they decide for it not to include that bit of info. Though if they do I would imagine it being a Victini thing as that would be a spoiler of sorts.
Mesoamerican-based Legendaries in Poke-Hawaii? Why not, we had Norse-based Legendaries in Poke-France and a whole batch of different culture Legendaries in Unova (notably France, Chinese, and Japanese).
Gonna wait till June 2nd's announcement before saying anything. Just a reminder, the news is suppose to drop around 10 pm JST, here's a countdown.
I've said it before, guessing how things will be revealed before doesn't really work for Pokémon. For Gen VI, the starters and cover mascots tied for first things revealed yet the Gen IV starters were among the last pre-release.
There's one reason I think using past info as a basis works better for this generation. As time has gone on, the spread of information and how they release things has become much more standardized. The trailer we got for sun and moon, though giving a couple different points compared to the X and Y trailer (such as getting the professor name and region name, but not seeing as much of new locales or battles), reminded me a lot of the first X and Y trailer. This is why I'm expected a somewhat similar style of pre-release info. There, we started with the starters and unnamed legendaries, and here we're beginning at the same point (if you don't count the weird pseudo-announcement trailer). So I think there's at least some basis for similar updates to either X and Y or Black and White, when how they hyped the game and announced new things really became more standardized.
Regarding Marshadow, while it seemed like a fully evolved Water mon at first, now in context, it is obviously the third boxart legend. Although why GF didn't choose to make a legend based off of an eclipse is beyond me, as it seemed like the most logical choice at the time.
An eclipse is technically a shadow, so Marshadow makes perfect sense.
Also I need my unicorn legendary.
draw the squad
Still though I'm pretty sure he was just referring to the common role taken by the third member of the boxart legendaries. Whether they ended up with a game or not.
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