Gen VII: Pokémon Sun and Moon (New info Post #5834)

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The reason why have 510 EVs is due to programming. EVs are stored as two bytes of information (hence 510). To make it 512, they would have to rewrite the data structure of a Pokémon and add an additional byte for 2 whole points.

Two to the nineth is 512, and adding another bit would give us 1024 EVs to work with. Technically speaking, total EVs use two bytes, but in reality, anything up to 511 would only use nine bits. Because bytes are commonly used though, the remaining seven bits of the second byte would be shared to store other information. The way EVs work, though, the final tally would be accumulated across 48 bits, or six total bytes, with a byte allocated to each stat.

Counting in binary starts at zero though, and not one, so the pokémon could have no EVs, or a max of 511. They probably use 510 because it's an even number, so there's going to be a configuration that allows all of the EVs to be used, which wouldn't be true for 511 EVs.

But yes, to get that five hundred and twelfth EV would require another bit, which would both require a reformatting of the data storage, on top of giving us twice the total EV capacity, if not necessarily allowing us to go above the 255 mark in a single stat.
 
Okay, seriously, can this thread please get back to actually discussing Sun and Moon? It's becoming the Mega Evolution vs Cross-Gen Evolution thread.

Speaking of, the more I look at Yungoos, the more I am interested in trying it out, though the idea of another physical Normal-type does kinda bore me. Would be interesting to see more dedicated Special Attacking Normal 'mons. Something like my Exploud.

Please listen to Vader lol. I've already warned the thread once. If you keep it up we will be forced to lock the thread again. Yeah itbsucks but its the only way we've found to keep mindless speculation at bay. I still might go and delete all those posts when not on mobile.

Dude we don't have a whole lot of info and we got an interesting discussion going on if you want to change the discussion change it but we're talking about what we want with our evolutions in 7th gen.

Then find another forum. There has been 0 evidence of megas or evolutions to previous gen mons. Speculate a little bit off of THE EVIDENCE WE HAVE. Don't start making shit up.

Pretty sure they had only seen one, unless they pulled an illuminati on us and did something offscreen real quick lol.

Remember that they had already played a little bit by the time we joined them in their journey. They could have seen the other gender before we started watching as Popplio was already level 6. Not sure if they may have just been first battle from Hau XP though. But still I did wonder why the gender symbols popped up.
 
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Please listen to Vader lol. I've already warned the thread once. If you keep it up we will be forced to lock the thread again. Yeah itbsucks but its the only way we've found to keep mindless speculation at bay. I still might go and delete all those posts when not on mobile.



Then find another forum. There has been 0 evidence of me gas or evolutions to previous gen mons. Speculate a little bit off of THE EVIDENCE WE HAVE. Don't start making shit up.
You strawmanned me pretty hard but you're a mod so alright.

Two to the nineth is 512, and adding another bit would give us 1024 EVs to work with. Technically speaking, total EVs use two bytes, but in reality, anything up to 511 would only use nine bits. Because bytes are commonly used though, the remaining seven bits of the second byte would be shared to store other information. The way EVs work, though, the final tally would be accumulated across 48 bits, or six total bytes, with a byte allocated to each stat.

Counting in binary starts at zero though, and not one, so the pokémon could have no EVs, or a max of 511. They probably use 510 because it's an even number, so there's going to be a configuration that allows all of the EVs to be used, which wouldn't be true for 511 EVs.

But yes, to get that five hundred and twelfth EV would require another bit, which would both require a reformatting of the data storage, on top of giving us twice the total EV capacity, if not necessarily allowing us to go above the 255 mark in a single stat.
Damn....that pulls a whole new meaning, I was always thinking it was just a derp because 510 is just a neat number. Definitely don't expect any changes in the EVs department then.
 
Ledyba has aesthetic gender differences, right? Maybe Pikipek had both genders listed in the Dex because it lacks those differences, so the game just tells you that immediately.
 
Ledyba has aesthetic gender differences, right? Maybe Pikipek had both genders listed in the Dex because it lacks those differences, so the game just tells you that immediately.

Female Ledyba have smaller antenna, so perhaps Pikipek may have a gender difference. It might not just be noticeable on first glance. Floatzel is a good example.
 
This is an interesting concept.
If this theory is correct, then I assume a sort of transformation can work to any starter you'd form a close bond with. So Ash-Greninja, Ash-Infernape, and you - your starter seem like a pretty reasonable possibility.
 
Ledyba has aesthetic gender differences, right? Maybe Pikipek had both genders listed in the Dex because it lacks those differences, so the game just tells you that immediately.

Female Ledyba have smaller antenna, so perhaps Pikipek may have a gender difference. It might not just be noticeable on first glance. Floatzel is a good example.

A lot of the gender differences are incredibly minor unless you count Gen 5 (Unfezant/Jellicent spring to mind). Steelix gains a small extra tooth, Pikachu has the small indentation on its tail, Scyther/Scizor have slightly different sized abdomens etc. I think the most noticeable one from the previous gens is Heracross' horn. Chances are if Pikipek DOES have different looks I would have thought it would be more like then Gen 5 ones over the Gen 1/2/3/4 ones. If it's the former it would likely be a small change to the size of its beak/a small change in its colour, or it's evolutions will show the genders more abstractly like in the case of Unfezant. I'm not sure on sexual dimorphism in Woodpeckers!
 
I'm not sure on sexual dimorphism in Woodpeckers!
Not as extravagant as the difference between a peacock and peahen or a cock-of-the-rock female and male, but they have noticeable differences for all kinds of woodpeckers. Unfortunately, it's as boring as Steelix with a snaggletooth: one of the major differences between most male and female woodpeckers is a singular band on the head, breast or around the eyes.
 
A lot of the gender differences are incredibly minor unless you count Gen 5 (Unfezant/Jellicent spring to mind). Steelix gains a small extra tooth, Pikachu has the small indentation on its tail, Scyther/Scizor have slightly different sized abdomens etc. I think the most noticeable one from the previous gens is Heracross' horn. Chances are if Pikipek DOES have different looks I would have thought it would be more like then Gen 5 ones over the Gen 1/2/3/4 ones. If it's the former it would likely be a small change to the size of its beak/a small change in its colour, or it's evolutions will show the genders more abstractly like in the case of Unfezant. I'm not sure on sexual dimorphism in Woodpeckers!

Well looking at the overall design of Pikipek, it is based off of the Pileated woodpecker. I found this random site that does explain the differences between male and females of this particular species of woodpecker.

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A close look will reveal a red stripe on the male's cheek extending from the base of the bill to the neck. This same stripe will be gray on females of the species. The female has gray on her forehead just beneath her red cap, as well as a dark gray eye stripe. Males have red foreheads and dark black stripes through the eyes.

From this information, the female would probably be something like how this description states.

Edit: Got ninja'd. Damn.
 
It's hard to speculate on Pikipek sexual dimorphism as we don't even know if it'll stay a woodpecker at all evolving. Fletchling is a robin while Talonflame is a falcon, Pidove is a pigeon while Unfezant a pheasant, Pidgey is a sparrow while Pidgeot is more osprey-like, and the same goes for Starly that's a starling and Staravia that's half starling and half bird of prey. 3 stages "normal birds" are quite unpredictable at this point, both for their change in appearance and typing. A kookaburra or stork/heron-like evo could be interesting.
 
ORAS changed it to just Legendaries in the Undiscovered Egg Group. Baby Pokémon no longer benefit from this.

First, if you want to complain about Megas, go to the Unpopular Opinion thread, not here.
Second, Megas are not inherently overpowered, just that GF made a few broken ones. They can be balanced.
Third, some Pokémon outclassing another is something that has and always will exist. Why do you think we have tiers? In fact, there being low tier Megas is a good thing since those tiers get to enjoy them as well.
To my knowledge, Manaphy is not a undiscovered egg-group pokemon, yet it has 3 perfect ivs

Well looking at the overall design of Pikipek, it is based off of the Pileated woodpecker. I found this random site that does explain the differences between male and females of this particular species of woodpecker.

87701236_XS.jpg

A close look will reveal a red stripe on the male's cheek extending from the base of the bill to the neck. This same stripe will be gray on females of the species. The female has gray on her forehead just beneath her red cap, as well as a dark gray eye stripe. Males have red foreheads and dark black stripes through the eyes.

From this information, the female would probably be something like how this description states.

Edit: Got ninja'd. Damn.
the pikipek they found was a female...


Also regarding the "Why can't sylveon exist in gen 2 argument", the answer is eevee couldn't learn baby-doll eyes in gen 2
 
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By the way, how do we know Pikipek will get Fury Attack? I suppose it's not such a far cry, but everyone's talking about it with so much assurance.

Well, the only two logical moves they can give him for his Skill Link are :
-Bullet Seed because on the website it is said that he throws seeds.
-Fury Attack is kinda the only other one that makes sense if the description about seed is just for flavor.
 
By the way, how do we know Pikipek will get Fury Attack? I suppose it's not such a far cry, but everyone's talking about it with so much assurance.

I think it's merely a flavor thing, more than anything. Some people may believe that the attack used in the trailer is the beginning of Fury Attack, but I checked the trailer and the E3 gameplay, and the trailer just shows Pikipek using Peck, since the animations are identical. However, it would only make sense for it to learn Fury Attack, due to the Pokédex hinting its ability to hit multiple times, as well as Skill Link.
 
The pikipek they found was a female...

Also regarding the "Why can't sylveon exist in gen 2 argument", the answer is eevee couldn't learn baby-doll eyes in gen 2

In that case maybe it is just that in the game the entries were taken from both gender of Pikipek was encountered while for Ledyba only male.

Though they did mess up with this sometimes, especially with the Gen IV evolution:

Piloswine needs Ancient Power to evolve into Mamoswine which it got as a level-up move in Gen IV... BUT in Gen II and III you could breed Ancient Power on a Swinub. Lickitung is even worse, it could get Rollout as a TM in Gen II & Move Tutor in Emerald.

While I sort of get why they do this, at the same time I don't. So they need an explanation why in previous games these Pokemon couldn't evolve yet when some gain a new type that's just retconned? Also when they remake games they're going to have the newer evolutions in them! So honestly I think they can just drop this thinking, just include a new evolution using an existing evolution method and if someone asks why tell them cause the sky is blue; it just is (or its a sudden mutation).

AND going back on topic, actually there is something I want to ask before going forward: being it's now confirmed they're basing Pokemon off Hawaii animals (and we'll also throw in plants for them Grass-types), can we speculate about:

1. What Hawaiian animal may be turned into a Pokemon (as long as we don't go too indepth)?
2. What existing Pokemon they may add to the Alola dex?
 
Alomomola for Alola

Ocean Sunfish are native to Hawaii (or rather the tropical Pacific Ocean that Hawaii is in). I was also thinking Tropius, Exeggcute family, and Oddish family (mainly for Bellossom).

Ooh, and how about the mosquito. And I now want Nekkoal's Shiny form to be a deep blue.
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To reply to Pika's post above, the hawaiian crow could be one they'd make for. Anole and iguana inspired pokes would be pretty cool as well.

Found a good site for looking up ideas (we need a normal sea turtle).
 
I would like to see a Palm Tree Pokemon. Or maybe Mega Tropius (that'll make my one friend very happy). Something about Coconuts too would be nice in terms of other plant-life.

My ultimate question is: Ice types. The obvious place to put them is on top of the Mauna Loa/Kea analogue or in a cave on the island.
 
1. What Hawaiian animal may be turned into a Pokemon (as long as we don't go too indepth)?
2. What existing Pokemon they may add to the Alola dex?
I've said it before, but if they're going for a Hawaii-based region and they don't have the Bellossom family, I don't know what to think.
But yeah, there's totally a lot of Pokémon they could go for - Hoenn in particular was pretty tropical so I'd expect a lot of the same stuff we saw there. Slakoth, Shroomish, Tropius... it probably feels a bit samey coming off of ORAS, but, well, I can't really say I don't expect a ton of Gen 3 guys. Slowpoke also seems likely to me but I can't quite pin down why I feel that way.
I suppose we could start making a tally of what previous-gen 'mon we know are in the game? Pikachu, Ledyba, Meowth... they haven't revealed any beyond Gen 2 yet, whether by coincidence or design.
 
I suppose we could start making a tally of what previous-gen 'mon we know are in the game? Pikachu, Ledyba, Meowth... they haven't revealed any beyond Gen 2 yet, whether by coincidence or design.

Ah, but is it? Remember the Meowth is the pet of our mother in Sun & Moon and since we moved to Alola from another region is could very well Meowth isn't native.

Also this Slowpoke talk for some reason reminded me about the Southern Island cards. Being it was based on a tropical island environment, maybe Pokemon in it will appear? Would be a nice little callback.
 
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