If someone was going to just guess a type for ninetales, it would ghost or psychic, not fairy. Getting fairy right is pretty good.
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Remember that The alolan forms might have new stats even if they have the same stat total they might have another distribution.
So Raticate has 50 sp.attack which are useless just by transferring 40 sp. attack to attack you get a 121 attack pokemon with sucker punch and return, and he also got hustle. So you got yourself a UU or RU pokemon quite impressive for your useless starting pokemon in pokemon red.
So Raticate has 50 sp.attack which are useless just by transferring 40 sp. attack to attack you get a 121 attack pokemon with sucker punch and return, and he also got hustle. So you got yourself a UU or RU pokemon quite impressive for your useless starting pokemon in pokemon red.
Good point! Was that the exact same leak, though, or just a piggyback? Honestly I'm not sure anymore.
The animation for Pulverizing Pancake is brilliant from beginning to end. I'm also loving Raichu's Z-move. These games are really going for that over-the-top anime feel, which I dig. But are we really worried about what Rattata can take a hit from? Dark/Normal is far superior offensively and defensively it gives it another immunity. That's really all you can ask for in a glass cannon (if you can even call it that). I for one am excited to have another Swords Dance + STAB Sucker Punch user and anxiously awaiting to see wha
Alolan Raticate looks like.
Alolan Raticate looks like.
Apparently there will be more info on the 6th. I'll guess there will be another one the following week, maybe one on the third one, then nothing more until october, seeing as how trailers have been popping out recently.
About a potential Alolan Raticate's competitive potential... it's a bummer that it loses Guts.
About a potential Alolan Raticate's competitive potential... it's a bummer that it loses Guts.
I'm loving the animation in these Z-moves. It's taken me a while to warm up to them but seeing Snorlax turn into Usain Bolt with demon eyes is pretty amazing. At this point, as long as megas are still here, I'm happy with their inclusion. If they are an attempt to replace megas however, then I'll be very sad.
I can already see Snorlax becoming more respectable again offensively with PP + Selfdestruct, given the fact that strong normal moves are a pain to wall. Nuke something with PP, then go boom. I recognise I'm diving into theorymon territory so I'll stop rambling here, but I do think Z-moves will see significant usage even in standard OU.
I can already see Snorlax becoming more respectable again offensively with PP + Selfdestruct, given the fact that strong normal moves are a pain to wall. Nuke something with PP, then go boom. I recognise I'm diving into theorymon territory so I'll stop rambling here, but I do think Z-moves will see significant usage even in standard OU.
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I never even thought of it like this, holy crap Snorlax could be the ultimate suicide leads. Suicide leads in general might become a thing again with Z moves. Azelf with a psychic z boost + Explosion is legit.
I'm really digging rattata-A's design. I'm not sure how I feel about the mustache yet but I love the ear and tail tufts as well as the black fur.
Lmao Raticate-A actually has some competitive potential maybe in the lower tiers now, even if bst don't change for Alola forms. Hustle acc drop sucks but hey Durant got banned from RU so the extra power is worth it for frail mons.
Lmao Raticate-A actually has some competitive potential maybe in the lower tiers now, even if bst don't change for Alola forms. Hustle acc drop sucks but hey Durant got banned from RU so the extra power is worth it for frail mons.
252 Atk Life Orb Hustle Raticate Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 203-239 (63.6 - 74.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 199-235 (62.3 - 73.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Hustle Raticate Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 304-359 (95.2 - 112.5%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 242-285 (75.8 - 89.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 199-235 (62.3 - 73.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Hustle Raticate Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 304-359 (95.2 - 112.5%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 242-285 (75.8 - 89.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
BTW, one more thing. I think this Nintendo Direct indirectly confirms that the NX won't really be a handheld (or at least not contain a handheld component that would compete with the 3DS) with how many main IP games that are coming out next year. So it's safe to assume that Pokemon will continue releasing games for the 3DS at least through 2017.
But Raticate cannot learn Hone Claws (Which is odd as there are some similar Pokemon that do learn it) nor has a really solid Speed tier (So far)
http://i.imgur.com/6YWmD2P.gifv
I think Pulverizing Pancake might be my new favourite thing, I think the little foot wiggle as it lands is what makes it for me.
I don't like the concept of Z Moves, but honestly, their animations are fantastic.
I think Pulverizing Pancake might be my new favourite thing, I think the little foot wiggle as it lands is what makes it for me.
I don't like the concept of Z Moves, but honestly, their animations are fantastic.
Hustle is Rattata's Hidden Ability but it is a regular Ability for Rattata-A? Interesting.
I wonder why they blurred out Solgaleo's weakness.
Potential new type?
I think that's pretty unlikely. A lot of information on these cards is outright missing altogether. Notice how they also lack attack costs and HP. They were mostly presented as a proof of concept.
On the subject of Pokemon GX cards though, we got Snorlax GX! It's GX attack is Pulverizing Pancake unsurprisingly. This lends a lot more credibility to my theory I posted earlier about Solgaleo and Lunala having signature Z Attacks themselves. Keep an eye out for Sol Burst and Lunar Fall!
It doesn't have a mustache. It has whiskers, as the original form does but thickened, shifted down by an inch or two and, obviously, recolored.
Well Raichu has 90 atk, if Raichu A stays similar you will only need 104 atk to 2hko Clefable with volt tackle under electric terrain and you will keep 156 spatk for the needed 2hkos with focus blast/GK/Hp ice and theoretical surf.
Raichu A is shaping into a monster, if Raichu A gains an attack boost as stoked sparksurfer seems to imply(unless it is an electric Psyshock/Sacred sword) he will really become into a force to be reckoned.
Raichu A is shaping into a monster, if Raichu A gains an attack boost as stoked sparksurfer seems to imply(unless it is an electric Psyshock/Sacred sword) he will really become into a force to be reckoned.
I would not doubt Z-moves having differing properties, but do wonder what those may be. Odds are Gigavolt Havoc is a guarenteed paralysis and Inferno Overdrive is a guarenteed Burn... If I had to guess, the Normal Z-Move shown at Gamescom is a slightly more powerful Extremespeed, possibly with +3 priority instead.
It would be hilarious if the Ice Z-Move wasn't much stronger than Ice Beam, but was a guarenteed Freeze.
"Odds are." Not at all; there's zero reason to make any of those assumptions.
Agreed. It would be nice if Z-Moves had interesting effects, rather than just having really high BP. Fingers crossed.
Ratatta-A doesn't have Strong Jaw. Please, let Raticate-A have that ability!
But the real star of this was Snorlax. That was the greatest attack animation of all time.
The running animation amuses me the most. Especially since that must have been what I looked like running to lunch in high school.
But the real star of this was Snorlax. That was the greatest attack animation of all time.
The running animation amuses me the most. Especially since that must have been what I looked like running to lunch in high school.
They still are, just that there are some exclusive ones, too.
The second a replacement system comes out doesn't mean that new games won't be made for the older system. Generation V proved that, let alone the tons of games I have of this variety for both consoles and handhelds. Hell, the last game released on the PS2 was in 2014, seven years after the PS3 and only a WEEK before the PS4!
Alolan Ratatta:
A bit of a surprise, but that's because I don't think anyone cared about Rattata enough to think it was getting an Alolan Form (not to mention Rattata have been presented as adaptable Pokemon). Of course that was the point. Bringing it back around, the infestation that Yungoos was brought in to take care of was actually Rattata who were native to Alola and all over the place. But when Yungoos was brought over they changed their behavior, moving to urban areas and becoming nocturnal. This gained them the Dark-type in the process. Once again its description working with design (though this does make me wonder if we'll see the Grass-types that were giving the Alolan Cubone family grief, maybe it'll make sense why Marowak became part Ghost). Its story weaving like this which make me wonder how they green lit Stuffel and Bewear without giving them any explanation. Anyway look forward to seeing Alolan Raticate which they confirmed lead the Alolan Rattata who live close together in cities.
Its design is alright. At first you think it looks drastically different but take away the "mustache" whisker (which yes it a bit funny looking) and you'll realize it's not. It just has extra fur/hair sticking up on its ears and tail and the stomach design is just to make it look fluffier. But that's alright, no need to add complications where there doesn't need to be and "mustache" whisker is enough to make it not just another Alolan Meowth. Speaking of which that's probably why it also kept its Normal-type instead of becoming pure Dark.
Many are saying Normal/Dark is a bad combination due to adding no useful resistances and a few more weaknesses. This would be a concern... if it wasn't a Rattata. Normal Raticate's Defense is 60 and I can't imagine Alolan Raticate's being any better, it wasn't going to survive a 2x weakness to Fighting without maxing its Defense IVs. The best thing the Alolan Rattata family could do in terms of stats is focus on Attack and Speed, then putting some in the defensive stats so it can at least take neutral hits. So, what does the type change actually do for the Rattata family then? Well it gets Pursuit, Crunch, and Sucker Punch, and that's on top of its kept Normal-type STABS including Return and... well honestly Return is all you really need as I don't think it'll be that good of a Double-Edge user. Quick Attack maybe (would be neat if it got Extreme Speed)? So offensively this type combination is good, defense is not a factor here aside surviving neutral attacks.
Finally both of Rattata's Abilities have been changed. Another tibit of Alolan Rattata's description is that it has a keen sense of smell and it can tell when something is fresh (which is odd as usually rats don't care, their stomachs can handle almost anything). However this has translated it to getting Gluttony which is a meh Ability but its better than Run Away (as we know it). If you got a Gluttony Alolan Rattata you can give it a Liechi or Salac Berry for stronger attack/higher speed. Though most would prefer to go with its once Hidden Ability, Hustle (especially if they let Alolan Rattata learn Hone Claws).
Z-Moves & Snorlax:
Instead of just talking about Z-Moves, I'm going to go over the Nintendo Direct video and the Pokemon Youtube Video:
(Start at 1:02)
1:02: Ooh, vocals in a possible overworld track? That's new (well, "new" if you ignore you being able to add a vocal track to Village Bridge in the Gen V games), and its Hawaiian chanting.
1:47: Yes, let's solve our pest problem are introducing another, more predatory pest. I don't see in any way how this plan can backfire.
1:57: So now the Alolans have both meaner Rattata AND Yungoos. Good job.
1:59: Ghost-type Z-Move. The pose is the trainer rising up like a stereotypical ghost and going "boo". The actual move is the Pokemon spreading a puddle of shadow where dark hands reach out, wrap around the opponent creating a shadow dome, and explodes is a pillar of purple smoke.
2:12: Okay, so here are the Z-Crystals. Now they do say you give the Pokemon the Z-Crystal so I'm wondering maybe the site was wrong and only the Z-Ring is a Key Item and the Z-Crystals are holdable. Thus it does take up your Pokemon's item slot. And like with Mega Stones each Z-Crystal has a name, usually the element they are the the suffix -ium Z. We're Waterium Z, Electrium Z, and Grassium Z.
2:16: Onto more exciting Z-Move stuff, Signature Z-Moves! In addition to the Z-Moves all Pokemon can learn some Pokemon will be getting special Z-Crystals to perform special Z-Moves. Alolan Raichu's Z-Move is "Stoked Sparksurfer". I'm going to guess the name of its Z-Crystal is "A-Raichium Z" and its symbol is Alolan Raichu's tail. Though oddly it looks like the trainer pose is the same as with any Electric-type Z-Move, or at least the ending position is. Anyway basically Alolan Raichu charges itself with electricity, surfs on its tail up into the sky, and after given the order it slams own onto the opponent in an electric shockwave as Alolan Raichu then surfs off. Hang loose!
2:26: SNORLAX WANTS YOUR SOUL!
2:31: So like with XY's Torchic and ORAS's Shiny Beldum, those who get game within the first few months can immediately download a Pokemon from Wifi. This time its a Munchlax holding "Snorlium Z". According to Serebii is also comes with the moves Happy Hour (doubles the money earned in trainer battles) and Hold Back (copy of False Swipe), both Event Moves which don't seem that special BUT are very good for early game to earn money and make captures easier. So even if you don't plan on using Snorlax on your team you might want to at least consider having the Event Munchlax on your team early on. As for Snorlax's Z-Move, let's go over to Pokemon Channel's video for that:
(Skip to 0:37)
0:46: That's the Happy Hour.
0:52: Snorlium Z's symbol is Snorlax's foot, considering what happens that's very appropriate.
0:56: That message would meant a bit more if they hadn't made its model in Gen VI standing up.
1:02: Lol, I like how the trainer is just standing on Snorlax. They make a Z-shape by pounding their chest and forehead. I can imagine them also saying "Do it Snorlax, use your stored up energy and the Z-Crystal to unleash YOUR ULTIMATE ATTACK!" and Snorlax be like "I would if you weren't standing on top of me, is that really necessary?". "YES BECAUSE IT LOOKS AWESOME"!
1:11: Pulverizing Pancake, Snorlax's Z-Move. After its eyes glows like the devil's, it flip leaps into the air and charges at its opponent...
1:17: "... Rattata are all over the place. We will build a wall, and will have Kanto pay for it..."
1:18: Snorlax then stops, the trainer gives the signal, and leaps into the air letting gravity do the rest of the work (and an explosion for good measure. Did Micheal Bay direct the Z-Moves animations?). I don't think this is the pancake that Alolan Raichu had to become part Psychic (then again telekinesis would probably be the only way to save yourself at this point)...
1:27: "The wild Gumshoos fainted!". Um, yeah, no, the wild Gumchoos is dead. It just got flattened by one of the heaviest Pokemon which created an atomic explosion afterwards.
It's so ridiculous you just can't help but love it. Though the Signature Z-Moves does bring up interesting questions, mainly what other Pokemon will get them? Is it always on specific Pokemon or can a group of Pokemon share a Signature Z-Move like the Starters, Eeveelutions, or Fossil Pokemon? Also will Legendaries be getting Signature Z-Moves (it would make sense especially with Solgaleo and Lunala getting special moves in the TCG which sort of work like Z-Moves being used once per battle)?
Well that's my thoughts. I'm now going to go through posts to see if there's any I want to comment on. Seeya!
A bit of a surprise, but that's because I don't think anyone cared about Rattata enough to think it was getting an Alolan Form (not to mention Rattata have been presented as adaptable Pokemon). Of course that was the point. Bringing it back around, the infestation that Yungoos was brought in to take care of was actually Rattata who were native to Alola and all over the place. But when Yungoos was brought over they changed their behavior, moving to urban areas and becoming nocturnal. This gained them the Dark-type in the process. Once again its description working with design (though this does make me wonder if we'll see the Grass-types that were giving the Alolan Cubone family grief, maybe it'll make sense why Marowak became part Ghost). Its story weaving like this which make me wonder how they green lit Stuffel and Bewear without giving them any explanation. Anyway look forward to seeing Alolan Raticate which they confirmed lead the Alolan Rattata who live close together in cities.
Its design is alright. At first you think it looks drastically different but take away the "mustache" whisker (which yes it a bit funny looking) and you'll realize it's not. It just has extra fur/hair sticking up on its ears and tail and the stomach design is just to make it look fluffier. But that's alright, no need to add complications where there doesn't need to be and "mustache" whisker is enough to make it not just another Alolan Meowth. Speaking of which that's probably why it also kept its Normal-type instead of becoming pure Dark.
Many are saying Normal/Dark is a bad combination due to adding no useful resistances and a few more weaknesses. This would be a concern... if it wasn't a Rattata. Normal Raticate's Defense is 60 and I can't imagine Alolan Raticate's being any better, it wasn't going to survive a 2x weakness to Fighting without maxing its Defense IVs. The best thing the Alolan Rattata family could do in terms of stats is focus on Attack and Speed, then putting some in the defensive stats so it can at least take neutral hits. So, what does the type change actually do for the Rattata family then? Well it gets Pursuit, Crunch, and Sucker Punch, and that's on top of its kept Normal-type STABS including Return and... well honestly Return is all you really need as I don't think it'll be that good of a Double-Edge user. Quick Attack maybe (would be neat if it got Extreme Speed)? So offensively this type combination is good, defense is not a factor here aside surviving neutral attacks.
Finally both of Rattata's Abilities have been changed. Another tibit of Alolan Rattata's description is that it has a keen sense of smell and it can tell when something is fresh (which is odd as usually rats don't care, their stomachs can handle almost anything). However this has translated it to getting Gluttony which is a meh Ability but its better than Run Away (as we know it). If you got a Gluttony Alolan Rattata you can give it a Liechi or Salac Berry for stronger attack/higher speed. Though most would prefer to go with its once Hidden Ability, Hustle (especially if they let Alolan Rattata learn Hone Claws).
Z-Moves & Snorlax:
Instead of just talking about Z-Moves, I'm going to go over the Nintendo Direct video and the Pokemon Youtube Video:
1:02: Ooh, vocals in a possible overworld track? That's new (well, "new" if you ignore you being able to add a vocal track to Village Bridge in the Gen V games), and its Hawaiian chanting.
1:47: Yes, let's solve our pest problem are introducing another, more predatory pest. I don't see in any way how this plan can backfire.
1:57: So now the Alolans have both meaner Rattata AND Yungoos. Good job.
1:59: Ghost-type Z-Move. The pose is the trainer rising up like a stereotypical ghost and going "boo". The actual move is the Pokemon spreading a puddle of shadow where dark hands reach out, wrap around the opponent creating a shadow dome, and explodes is a pillar of purple smoke.
2:12: Okay, so here are the Z-Crystals. Now they do say you give the Pokemon the Z-Crystal so I'm wondering maybe the site was wrong and only the Z-Ring is a Key Item and the Z-Crystals are holdable. Thus it does take up your Pokemon's item slot. And like with Mega Stones each Z-Crystal has a name, usually the element they are the the suffix -ium Z. We're Waterium Z, Electrium Z, and Grassium Z.
2:16: Onto more exciting Z-Move stuff, Signature Z-Moves! In addition to the Z-Moves all Pokemon can learn some Pokemon will be getting special Z-Crystals to perform special Z-Moves. Alolan Raichu's Z-Move is "Stoked Sparksurfer". I'm going to guess the name of its Z-Crystal is "A-Raichium Z" and its symbol is Alolan Raichu's tail. Though oddly it looks like the trainer pose is the same as with any Electric-type Z-Move, or at least the ending position is. Anyway basically Alolan Raichu charges itself with electricity, surfs on its tail up into the sky, and after given the order it slams own onto the opponent in an electric shockwave as Alolan Raichu then surfs off. Hang loose!
2:26: SNORLAX WANTS YOUR SOUL!
2:31: So like with XY's Torchic and ORAS's Shiny Beldum, those who get game within the first few months can immediately download a Pokemon from Wifi. This time its a Munchlax holding "Snorlium Z". According to Serebii is also comes with the moves Happy Hour (doubles the money earned in trainer battles) and Hold Back (copy of False Swipe), both Event Moves which don't seem that special BUT are very good for early game to earn money and make captures easier. So even if you don't plan on using Snorlax on your team you might want to at least consider having the Event Munchlax on your team early on. As for Snorlax's Z-Move, let's go over to Pokemon Channel's video for that:
0:46: That's the Happy Hour.
0:52: Snorlium Z's symbol is Snorlax's foot, considering what happens that's very appropriate.
0:56: That message would meant a bit more if they hadn't made its model in Gen VI standing up.
1:02: Lol, I like how the trainer is just standing on Snorlax. They make a Z-shape by pounding their chest and forehead. I can imagine them also saying "Do it Snorlax, use your stored up energy and the Z-Crystal to unleash YOUR ULTIMATE ATTACK!" and Snorlax be like "I would if you weren't standing on top of me, is that really necessary?". "YES BECAUSE IT LOOKS AWESOME"!
1:11: Pulverizing Pancake, Snorlax's Z-Move. After its eyes glows like the devil's, it flip leaps into the air and charges at its opponent...
1:17: "... Rattata are all over the place. We will build a wall, and will have Kanto pay for it..."
1:18: Snorlax then stops, the trainer gives the signal, and leaps into the air letting gravity do the rest of the work (and an explosion for good measure. Did Micheal Bay direct the Z-Moves animations?). I don't think this is the pancake that Alolan Raichu had to become part Psychic (then again telekinesis would probably be the only way to save yourself at this point)...
1:27: "The wild Gumshoos fainted!". Um, yeah, no, the wild Gumchoos is dead. It just got flattened by one of the heaviest Pokemon which created an atomic explosion afterwards.
It's so ridiculous you just can't help but love it. Though the Signature Z-Moves does bring up interesting questions, mainly what other Pokemon will get them? Is it always on specific Pokemon or can a group of Pokemon share a Signature Z-Move like the Starters, Eeveelutions, or Fossil Pokemon? Also will Legendaries be getting Signature Z-Moves (it would make sense especially with Solgaleo and Lunala getting special moves in the TCG which sort of work like Z-Moves being used once per battle)?
Well that's my thoughts. I'm now going to go through posts to see if there's any I want to comment on. Seeya!
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