Nah LW I just don't feel like arguing with you specifically I know that's going to snowball into something irrelevant (since I'll never convince you to vote yourself and you setting your own markers for what makes sense from your perspective is borderline tautological) and I'm at work. Other people who are not you (especially the ones who are confirmed town) can let me "not get away with this" by telling me what of your points jive with them.
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Nope that's just underhanded and scummy as you go under the singular assumption that I'm scum and therefore YOU can't be convinced otherwise. I'm not letting you get away with making actual arguments instead of bold strokes to paint the picture on me.
Also Moody you on the other hand constantly ignore why people want to lynch you and specifically use language to ignore it. Every scenario you put out you are clean and paint anyone attacking that position as illogical. WHO CARES IF IT WAS A BAD PLAY TO FOCUS YOU IF YOU ARE A VILLAGER?!?! Obviously that is not why I'm focusing you, I think you are scum and you haven't flipped as anything so stop using it as a reason why I should be distrusted.
Also no claiming to be a positive role is not gonna cut it. Don't care if people are against massclaims at this point, we had too many claims already so we have to use it now or never it was sadly gonna happen sooner or later and the "public inspect" forced our hand on it at this point. I like scumhunting a lot and use it in general internet arguments, but at this point I can't deny it is pointless to keep it a secret when someone claimed Omniguard, JOAT, Tracker and we have a revived and reviver out there, in addition to Moody's soft claim.
Also Moody you on the other hand constantly ignore why people want to lynch you and specifically use language to ignore it. Every scenario you put out you are clean and paint anyone attacking that position as illogical. WHO CARES IF IT WAS A BAD PLAY TO FOCUS YOU IF YOU ARE A VILLAGER?!?! Obviously that is not why I'm focusing you, I think you are scum and you haven't flipped as anything so stop using it as a reason why I should be distrusted.
Also no claiming to be a positive role is not gonna cut it. Don't care if people are against massclaims at this point, we had too many claims already so we have to use it now or never it was sadly gonna happen sooner or later and the "public inspect" forced our hand on it at this point. I like scumhunting a lot and use it in general internet arguments, but at this point I can't deny it is pointless to keep it a secret when someone claimed Omniguard, JOAT, Tracker and we have a revived and reviver out there, in addition to Moody's soft claim.
Right, and holy fuck that was all the way back on page 18.
#113 - I'm actually not sure why you called this buddying, I said I town read him for putting serious effort for ending RQS and at the time he also echoed a lot of thoughts I had on the game, mostly walrein which with my scan-reading, was bugging me since their posting style seemed differently then I recall. In general though, I like this line "Away from RQS and more towards actual thought being put into the motivations of what people are doing."
#129 - The more I read the more I'm actually baffled at your reasoning as it seems so stretched. None of it is backpedling, it was just true to my actions. I mean, in #113 I said walrein was acting differently than I recall then in that post I clarify to say they are acting more aggressive then I've typically seen of them, but I don't equate aggressiveness as = scummy, but just something to keep in mind for determining their role in this game. Otherwise, if you've played with town me before, then I am 'wishwashy' or aka, I don't typically put absolute certainty into what I don't know. For example, if something is likely to indicate someone as scum but doesn't confirm, I will say "this person is probably scum" but unless I myself am scum (from what I've noticed) I'll rarely say "This person is absolutely scum" unless I personally feel they are absolutely scum, but in general I refrain from such black and white reasoning. But eh, just posting style.
#233 - A lot of this post was based on having not kept up closely with the game and trying to get some reads in so I'm not just entirely idling (ie...aubisio). And most of the reads were based off of this. For instance, the whole walrein thing was explained above.
#268 - Yup, I was restating what I had said before, but that's not a bad thing, it's just restating what I had said before...and yes, I was trying to put in some words so it wasn't just a "hi I voted, bye". Bite me.
#287 - lol again
All in all, tbh I really don't like these reads from LW as they seem so stretched and bizarre and if I had to go from just this, seems to be pushing someone just for inactivity. Frankly, I would say from this post alone, ignoring the quantitative part of the public inspect or not, I would scum read LW for so much bad reasoning here.
#113 - I'm actually not sure why you called this buddying, I said I town read him for putting serious effort for ending RQS and at the time he also echoed a lot of thoughts I had on the game, mostly walrein which with my scan-reading, was bugging me since their posting style seemed differently then I recall. In general though, I like this line "Away from RQS and more towards actual thought being put into the motivations of what people are doing."
#129 - The more I read the more I'm actually baffled at your reasoning as it seems so stretched. None of it is backpedling, it was just true to my actions. I mean, in #113 I said walrein was acting differently than I recall then in that post I clarify to say they are acting more aggressive then I've typically seen of them, but I don't equate aggressiveness as = scummy, but just something to keep in mind for determining their role in this game. Otherwise, if you've played with town me before, then I am 'wishwashy' or aka, I don't typically put absolute certainty into what I don't know. For example, if something is likely to indicate someone as scum but doesn't confirm, I will say "this person is probably scum" but unless I myself am scum (from what I've noticed) I'll rarely say "This person is absolutely scum" unless I personally feel they are absolutely scum, but in general I refrain from such black and white reasoning. But eh, just posting style.
#233 - A lot of this post was based on having not kept up closely with the game and trying to get some reads in so I'm not just entirely idling (ie...aubisio). And most of the reads were based off of this. For instance, the whole walrein thing was explained above.
#268 - Yup, I was restating what I had said before, but that's not a bad thing, it's just restating what I had said before...and yes, I was trying to put in some words so it wasn't just a "hi I voted, bye". Bite me.
#287 - lol again
All in all, tbh I really don't like these reads from LW as they seem so stretched and bizarre and if I had to go from just this, seems to be pushing someone just for inactivity. Frankly, I would say from this post alone, ignoring the quantitative part of the public inspect or not, I would scum read LW for so much bad reasoning here.
acidphoenix I'm pressed for time now (about an hour and 30 mins to volunteering/offline as I start typing this) but I do feel like I should claim now.
That stupid persuade was mine. I was aiming for "hooker with a heart of gold" with my flavor, but Hitmon decided to package my RBer with Persuader. Apparently, he's seen enough Gunsmoke to know that people fighting over a saloon girl is a common theme. I don't like it, but I decided I could focus more on scumhunting instead.
With Walrein flipping town, the WiFoM in the inspection, and another last minute wagon, I was feeling leery about Texas. So I thought I'd stop idling and test him with a block. I've gotten lucky playing RB before and I was knocking wood hard that I'd get lucky and block a kill. But in order to block someone, I have to shove their vote onto another player in the process. I eventually decided to go with Asek since he started Walrein's wagon.
That stupid persuade was mine. I was aiming for "hooker with a heart of gold" with my flavor, but Hitmon decided to package my RBer with Persuader. Apparently, he's seen enough Gunsmoke to know that people fighting over a saloon girl is a common theme. I don't like it, but I decided I could focus more on scumhunting instead.
With Walrein flipping town, the WiFoM in the inspection, and another last minute wagon, I was feeling leery about Texas. So I thought I'd stop idling and test him with a block. I've gotten lucky playing RB before and I was knocking wood hard that I'd get lucky and block a kill. But in order to block someone, I have to shove their vote onto another player in the process. I eventually decided to go with Asek since he started Walrein's wagon.
My point was that being content with a tunnel and justifying it with "no other discussion happened" is bad town play, not scumreading me, I know it's not the right play but it's a valid one in itself
NO FLAVOR CLAIMING, SOFT OR HARD. Either way, don't do it from now on, or else the standard godkill.
I have no idea whatsoever, we already have a claimed omniguard who's a bit more trustworthy than you. Would you like to tell us what you were up to and stop dodging every question we've asked (Walrein made a nice post a few pages back that I can't find atm asking you to explain yourself that you've summarily ignored)?
We need to start getting scum ASAP so I'll claim my full role now to stop acidphoenix from being annoying and mysterious (stop saying all will be explained later jesus it doesn't make you seem any smarter). I am a hooker/tracker. I targeted Moody N2 because he seemed pretty damn suspicious after his miraculous survival Day 2, and the knowledge that he was targeting Texas just makes him seem even more scummy to me unless he has a great explanation for all of this.
If I think you are scum why wouldn't I want to lynch you, and again it was on you and everyone else not providing an alternate that the pressure wagon went that far. Not to mention I was on Former Hope before which got no attention so I switched gears, you can't just say I tunneled you exclusively, but when I think you are scum and no one does anything to dissuade the wagon effectively I'm not gonna just change my target, that's an idiotic expectation.
I'm not suspecting you for inactivity, that's a blatant misrepresentation of my argument, and I'd have had far better targets to just push for inactivity. My problem is you masqueraded your low contributions with medium length but fairly contentless posts. Yes this includes the wishy washyness you hide behind, but that doesn't change tha it was odd to specifically call out Asek for something others already did and that you Walrein thing essentially amounted to slinging dirt without commitment. So yeah I will bite you, especially when you admit to be actively thinking about what standard to meet(which I do too but it's specifically to match my two playstyles and use manipulative language )
I answered walrein's post, you must've missed it I guess.
The thing lightwolf is that imo it's on town to not narrow down to just one guy and you can't blame your target for not finding a solid case on someone else when a bunch of people are at their throat. No matter how you look at it if you fail to attack and get reactions out of multiple suspects and then mislynch you have fucked up as town and that's on you. Now I haven't been in any position to really do that when I had to defend myself for the past two cycles and I'd rather not spend this one running in circles again.
Careful you might then get lynched by the rest of the crowd who avoids committing to unsafe statements
Wait both knights and smaslloyd are hookers?
unvote vote knightsofcydonia
oh my bad, any chance you could link it? not trying to say you didn't it's just damn near impossible to find anything in this game with how big the thread is
This is a great quote.
That said, it's not impossible I suppose. Especially since they don't seem to be 'just hooks'. Tbh I would almost imagine that there are probably several overlaps with abilities and stuff. That said, it is a good observation. smashlloyd20 and KnightsofCydonia What are the hooks you preformed in which nights?
I'm not seeing your logic here, Moody.
N1 idle, N2 Texas.
I can believe smashlloyd's claim but while yours is possible it seems a lot more shady
You say it as if I wanted it to be shady. The persuader's a big layer of suck on an otherwise good role.
Both of them proved their roles, you can't just arbitrary decided to vote one over the other even if likely one of them is scum... Obviously this needs discussion, AND ACTUAL MASS CLAIMING.
Except you are lying as I never mislynched a town due to tunneling, you are pretty clearly alive. Your argument falls flat till you flip. Again there is nothing wrong with tunneling when it's on the right target why should I stop voting a person who I think is scum AND has enough support behind it to make the lynch happen?
I agree that no one wants to be lynched, but what a town should strive for is CONTRIBUTING and what you have been doing is wishy washy opinions repetition and agreeing with others. Post a read list, make an actual case on me if you wish to pursue that, etc. But what you are doing will make me lynch you.
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