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Whats a Hack and What Isn't

what about putting sheer cold and no guard on ninjask :).
or you could put huge power on slaking/regigigas. those would be funny, like 1500 attack right off the bat with a CB
 
Posting to say I'm checking all the Eggs I get with Pokésav, but hatch even the crappy to be, say, "fair" with the breeders without an AR/Flashcart.

And I can safely assume it's way more frustrating because, when you hatch first and check last, at least you always become happy when a Bold Alert to Sounds Koffing pop up in front of you, while with Pokésav you see the IVs first.
 
to ask a few questions...

if a poke is AR cloned, the data is not altered, correct? - only copied code for code. so when checking for hacks (pAC, Nintendo event, or others) will it will still show as legit?

has this been proven by anyone attending a Nintendo sponsored event?

and does anyone one know how Nintendo checks for hacks in genreal?
 
gabriel said:
Well, if you didn't touch the pokemon in any way, and nobody can say it was checked/quick hatch, it IS legit.

As I said, you're confusing undetectable with legit. It's like saying "If they can't find the body, then I didn't kill him."

If you're saying it isn't, then cloned pokemon aren't legit either. They were touched by an AR, but the AR didn't changed any IV or any data, just like the quick hatched/checked ones.

Cloning is within the confines of the game. An AR is not.
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Yoko Rains, you don't need to respond to every post saying "I don't know what to say about that."
 
Yoko Rains said:
Using Hacked Parents: This, IMO is just as bad as hacking the Pokemon itself. You may argue that "I still went through the process of breeding the Pokemon", but that argument just won't be registered as valid. You have an unfair advantage over someone who does it fairly. Having a godly parent highly effects how the offspring will turn out. So hacking yourself a godly parent IMO would be considered an illegit Pokemon in my view. It is just an attempt at being clever at getting around the fact that you didn't hack the Pokemon itself.
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Now what if someone simply hacks parents with random iv's because they have no other way to get the pokemon they want(ex. in the opposite version/ no wi-fi to gts). Is this still considered hacking?
 
The position that "legit" means anything but "not resulting from third-party modifications" is untenable. Period.

Legitimate Pokemon aren't defined by whether the Pokemon is detectable as hacked or not. Normally, there are two games inherent in Pokemon: "team-building," which is planning a team, breeding, EV-training, using TMs, etc., and "battling." But if you define legitimate as "indistinguishable from a nonhacked Pokemon," then there is a third game, "figuring out a way to make hacked Pokemon that are undetectable." And no one actually wants to play that game, because it's boring to everyone but a few people.

Legitimate Pokemon aren't defined by how much effort was created to make them. Quick hatch isn't different from just hacking a Pokemon directly because "it's harder," or because the process is a reasonable facsimile of the process used to obtain a competitive legitimate Pokemon. It's still going outside the boundaries the game sets up, and at the end of the day the result is the same- the player who used Quick Hatch will be able to obtain a competitive Pokemon more quickly than a player who used no third-party modifications at all.

Legitimate Pokemon are just Pokemon made solely within the Pokemon games. Nothing less, and nothing more.
 
@Obi and Medi Guy: When you say you can clone without an AR, you can breed good stuff without an AR too, it'll just take longer.

But when you use an AR to clone, you're doing it faster. You can make five clones and less than one min with AR, while you can try more than 5 mins to get a single clone on GTS. You can do it on GTS, but it's easier and faster with AR and the most important, it won't leave your pokemon hacked, so what's the matter of cloning with Action Replay? The same goes for breeding using Quick Hatch or Egg Check.

Or you think both AR Cloning and breeding tricks are wrong, or you think both are acceptable. And as (almost) everybody on Smogon clone with AR, I think it's acceptable here.

But after all, if you don't want a Quick Hatched/Egg Checked pokemon only because they were bred that way, that's okay, it's your choice. But you just can't say they're hacked.
 
I hack events. I use step hacks. I am a full time student, I don't have time to do things slowly.

Edit: While on the topic of hacked parents...

how many generations of breeding would it take to make the pokemon legit, if at all possible? Like that one fellow suggested, what if you can't get the pokemon to breed any other way, then breed the crap out of it to make a good one legitimately. I think this is different than hacking a parent.
 
Also, just for fun I sometimes use a Rapidash with Dragon Dance, Attack Order, Crabhammer, and Explosion, but I keep the stats normal. I also get the permission of the person I'm battling against.
 
Quick question: When I restarted my diamond game I purposely changed my secret ID to 00000 in case something happened and I needed to be able to default back and nickname my pokemon. Will this be a problem when determining the legitimacy of my pokemon? I could always change it back but I would probably end up having to make up a new ID.

Also the internal clock in my DS is set to January something due to the pal park glitch that lets you migrate more than 6 pokemon per day. Will this be a problem?
 
@ Firestorm, in your case, AR cloning would be illegal huh? So you're telling me nobody has AR cloned your Pokemon before?
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Yes. And as far as I know, no, nothing on my game is AR cloned. I don't trade much at all you see. My entire team was bred by myself. I also borrowed some Dittos from a friend.
 
Yoko Rains said:
Well, sorry about the spam.

And as for that, I can guarantee that every trader on Smogon has cloned using an AR.

I can guarantee you are wrong. My simple proof: not every trader owns an AR, and thus not every trader could have cloned with one.
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gabriel said:
@Obi and Medi Guy: When you say you can clone without an AR, you can breed good stuff without an AR too, it'll just take longer.

Yes, it's faster. Doesn't mean it's not hacking. You aren't even arguing the point here. My position is that it is hacking. I'm not saying anything more or less than that. If you want to argue against me, your position must be "Using an Action Replay is not hacking." Saying "Oh, but it's easy!" is completely irrelevant. It's easier to make a sandwich than a pizza, but if you own a restaurant, that doesn't mean that you'd give someone a sandwich if they ask for a pizza and expect them to accept "Well, this was easier.". How is this any different?

But when you use an AR to clone, you're doing it faster. You can make five clones and less than one min with AR, while you can try more than 5 mins to get a single clone on GTS. You can do it on GTS, but it's easier and faster with AR and the most important, it won't leave your pokemon hacked, so what's the matter of cloning with Action Replay? The same goes for breeding using Quick Hatch or Egg Check.

It will leave your Pokemon hacked, because you using a device to create them. You still seem to be having a bit of confusion between whether something is hacked vs. whether anyone can tell whether it's hacked. The first (is it hacked?) is about the origins; the second (can anyone tell?) is about the results.

Or you think both AR Cloning and breeding tricks are wrong, or you think both are acceptable. And as (almost) everybody on Smogon clone with AR, I think it's acceptable here.

You're presenting a false dichotomy, and once again, are straying from the topic. The question isn't "Is using a hack wrong?". Try not to assume what my positions are.

But after all, if you don't want a Quick Hatched/Egg Checked pokemon only because they were bred that way, that's okay, it's your choice. But you just can't say they're hacked.

Why can't I? The fact that I just did seems to negate your statement that I can't. If you meant "If you were to say that they are hacked, you would be wrong.", I'd have to disagree with you, as I said above.
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majesty said:
I hack events. I use step hacks. I am a full time student, I don't have time to do things slowly.

Edit: While on the topic of hacked parents...

how many generations of breeding would it take to make the pokemon legit, if at all possible? Like that one fellow suggested, what if you can't get the pokemon to breed any other way, then breed the crap out of it to make a good one legitimately. I think this is different than hacking a parent.

There is no such thing as a "grandfather clause". If any of its ancestors were created with a hacking device, then all of its progenitors are, to some degree, hacked.
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Wrong Obi. I don't have an AR, but all my Pokemon have been cloned by one. There are many cloners here on Smogon. You don't need to personally own an AR to have your Pokemon been cloned by one.
 
Well, I still don't believe your proposition that every trader has cloned with an AR, considering it's possible to clone without one, and some people have either an intense dislike or distrust of AR.
 
Well, at least every well known trader. GTS cloning is way too time consuming. If all the popular traders GTS cloned, they wouldn't be where they were now. Keeping people on stand-by until you finish cloning would annoy them. You do see my point right?

Fine then, 99.9% of all traders have had their stuff cloned by AR.
 
Pika Pants said:
Quick question: When I restarted my diamond game I purposely changed my secret ID to 00000 in case something happened and I needed to be able to default back and nickname my pokemon. Will this be a problem when determining the legitimacy of my pokemon? I could always change it back but I would probably end up having to make up a new ID.

Also the internal clock in my DS is set to January something due to the pal park glitch that lets you migrate more than 6 pokemon per day. Will this be a problem?
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