This, this, THIS.I'd also argue that Japanese cultural differences shouldn't come into this or be an excuse for it. Pokémon is marketed as an english game towards huge english-speaking audiences, most of which include children. It's not exactly something like a sub of an anime or a kamen rider series where the person knows they'll have to be prepared for cultural differences since it wasn't made for them; but the way Nintendo and Game Freak make their games they are completely intended for American, UK, European etc. audiences as well as Japanese -- if you're making a game for a worldwide audience, you need to take into account worldwide sensibilities and not just your own country's sensibilities.
Or that Ability Capsules can't switch "normal" to Hidden Abilities (or vice versa; looking at you, Pyroar). Although at that point the concept itself becomes obsolete. And I'd be perfectly okay with that.To change the topic slightly: I hate how Hidden Abilities sometimes are just straight up locked behind transfers. Example: I have spent the last 3 weeks looking for an HA Dwebble since Crustle can't have an HA in Gen 7 without breeding from a transferred mon. Buuuut nobody seems to bloody have one across Smogon, Showdown, four different Discord servers, and Twitch!
Or when they are locked in single games even across multiple generations.To change the topic slightly: I hate how Hidden Abilities sometimes are just straight up locked behind transfers. Example: I have spent the last 3 weeks looking for an HA Dwebble since Crustle can't have an HA in Gen 7 without breeding from a transferred mon. Buuuut nobody seems to bloody have one across Smogon, Showdown, four different Discord servers, and Twitch!
Imagine how infuriated young RBY players would be after searching for days to fill that last empty spot in the Pokedex, only to find out that it could not possibly be done without glitches or events. There's also the fact that Mew was snuck in at the last second, so perhaps their original intention was to make the first Mythical Pokemon exactly that--mythical.I don't know why but I can't stand the fact that MEWTWO comes before MEW in the Pokedex. Like, really, Game Freak? The name alone should have told you its order in the Pokedex.
For Mewtwo you have to remember that, originally, the Pokedex was being organized by the player character. It's the reason why you could excuse some absurdities of the des descriptions, they were being written by a kid on probably what they heard about the Pokemon from local people. However the order of the Pokedex also was meant to be done by the player. Canonically, the player would learn about Mewtwo in Cinnabar Mansion so they'd know the powerful Pokemon they encounter in Cerulean Cave is Mewtwo. Since Mew is a mythical Pokemon, only way to get it is via out of canon means such as a glitch or event, technically the player would never encounter Mew or would encounter it last. Thus, Mewtwo was met first so Mewtwo was ordered as 150, as the player had no idea if any Mew still existed and decided to keep the name probably to keep the Cinnabar Mansion reports in context.I don't know why but I can't stand the fact that MEWTWO comes before MEW in the Pokedex. Like, really, Game Freak? The name alone should have told you its order in the Pokedex.
Oh, and Victini being given #000 in the Unova Dex for no reason. This makes it being placed together with a Mythical of a different generation in the National Dex.
Wait, what? When was this mentioned? I thought #000 was just a homage to the MissingNo glitch.As for Victini, that was explained to have been done because they didn't want it's power to be misused so they made if Unova National Dex #000 so that its existence would be kept secret and disregarded as a myth.
I can't speak as to where he found that, but here's what Juniper says on the matter in the Liberty Garden event.Wait, what? When was this mentioned? I thought #000 was just a homage to the MissingNo glitch.
So apparently by having Victini be the very first Pokemon in the Pokedex, it was supposed to bring good luck to Pokedex holders or something.Prof. Juniper said:"... [Victini exposition] ... Making sure no one misuses Victini's powers is now your duty! Also… In the Unova Pokédex, Victini was assigned a special number: zero. I've heard this special number was assigned in the hope that Victini's power to bring victory would be shared with the Trainer who travels with this Pokédex."
After the Victini Event at Liberty Garden, Professor Juniper will tell you this:Wait, what? When was this mentioned? I thought #000 was just a homage to the MissingNo glitch.
Okay, so I was a bit off, I confused the Liberty Island's builder original intent of keeping Victini secret and safe with why it was given #000. Still, I think the line of thinking is the same: the only person who should know about Victini is the one who'll take care of it and not misuse it's power."Thanks to you, <player>, this group that was up to no good (Team Plasma) has been captured. Victini is a mythical Pokémon that is said to radiate energy from its body. When Pokémon or people come into contact with that energy, it fills up their bodies, and they exhibit more power than usual. That's why there was no end to the people who wanted to use Victini for their own evil ends. I'm sure that the rich person who built this underground room for Victini was sincerely trying to help it. But I think shutting the poor thing up in this room was a mistake. Thanks to you, Victini has a new destiny that does not involve being used in Team Plasma's schemes. Making sure no one misuses Victini's powers is now your duty! Also… In the Unova Pokédex, Victini was assigned a special number: zero. I've heard this special number was assigned in the hope that Victini's power to bring victory would be shared with the Trainer who travels with this Pokédex."
The whole "show them legs" thing is actually pretty prevalent in PokémonIt's also kind of worrying how all the female designs wear skirts whose edge is closer to their crotch than their knees, usually by a factor of two. Heck, May has underpants three times as long as the sling-like thing that goes for her shorts, and they still abide to the "closer to crotch than to knees" rule. Hilda is pantsless for all practical purposes (her wrist sleeves are longer than her shorts, and her socks probably constitute more than half the fabric she wears from her waist down), and Dawn's Platinum art has her wearing a microskirt over bare legs as her winter clothes. At least Rosa was allowed to cover up somewhat, although her wetsuit looks like it's painted on her, and apart from it she has the shortest skirt of all.
I mean, "underdressed" doesn't even begin to describe it. And these girls are meant to be eleven.
I think that one kind of makes sense, as if that's the whole idea of the Fairy Tale Girl. A trainer that looks cute, but upon closer inspection there's something seriously off about them.Speaking of "girlish cuteness" and asking Game Freak "serious questions":
I'd like to welcome the opportunity to add the Fairy Tale Girl trainer class that was introduced in the X&Y games to the discussion at hand.
They are in my honest personal opinion yet another concrete prime example of how Game Freak often tends to make some questionable choices.
At first glance they are your average clichéd image of a "cute" girl, dressed all in pink and fond of dressing up as a princess from one of their favorite fairy tales, but upon closer inspection you can't help but think that there's something "wrong" and "quite unsettling" about them.
Once you challenge them to a Pokémon battle and, especially after they have lost to you in the aforementioned battle, you'll find out that they have a vast repertoire of dubious catchphrases at their disposition and that they then start to show their true colors (that aren't "innocent" and "lady-like" at all no less):
"Shhh. Rest now and close your eyes… You won't ever need open them again…"
"Oh phooey! Don't you ever come back! If you do, we're gonna end you, mmkay?"
"I won't tell you how old I really am, but I can say I'm old enough to be your mother"
"Don't you worry your silly widdle head! I'll take away ALL your pain, mmkay?"
"The fairies are whispering to me... "Fight!" "Win!" That's what they say! Hee hee hee..."
"Want to see the scary side of the Fairy Type? I'll show you!"
You'd except this kind of behavior from the Hex Maniac Girl that often accompanies them, as opposed to the cutesy Fairy Tale Girl.
At this point it's clear that this is intentional, but the question in the room remains: Why?
At this rate I don't even know anymore if I really wish to know the answer...
Personally I think it fits rather well with the Fairy type itself. A lot of people think that fairies are supposed to be the cute, Tinkerbellesque variety, but their type chart interactions and other details like movepool makes it pretty clear that they're actually the Fae Folk variety. The ones you keep away with cold iron, who kidnap people in their sleep and replace them with a wooden corpse, who replace human children with their own (changelings).Speaking of "girlish cuteness" and asking Game Freak "serious questions":
I'd like to welcome the opportunity to add the Fairy Tale Girl trainer class that was introduced in the X&Y games to the discussion at hand.
They are in my honest personal opinion yet another concrete prime example of how Game Freak often tends to make some questionable choices.
At first glance they are your average clichéd image of a "cute" girl, dressed all in pink and fond of dressing up as a princess from one of their favorite fairy tales, but upon closer inspection you can't help but think that there's something "wrong" and "quite unsettling" about them.
Once you challenge them to a Pokémon battle and, especially after they have lost to you in the aforementioned battle, you'll find out that they have a vast repertoire of dubious catchphrases at their disposition and that they then start to show their true colors (that aren't "innocent" and "lady-like" at all no less):
"All you have to do is ignore reality, and you can stay young forever, too."
"Shhh. Rest now and close your eyes… You won't ever need open them again…"
"Oh phooey! Don't you ever come back! If you do, we're gonna end you, mmkay?"
"I won't tell you how old I really am, but I can say I'm old enough to be your mother"
"Don't you worry your silly widdle head! I'll take away ALL your pain, mmkay?"
"The fairies are whispering to me... "Fight!" "Win!" That's what they say! Hee hee hee..."
"Want to see the scary side of the Fairy Type? I'll show you!"
You'd except this kind of behavior from the Hex Maniac Girl that often accompanies them, as opposed to the cutesy Fairy Tale Girl.
At this point it's clear that this is intentional, but the question in the room remains: Why?
At this rate I don't even know anymore if I really wish to know the answer...
There's also Neo Team Plasma, Team Flare, and the Aether Foundation. Team Aqua SORTA counts as their female grunts are wearing full leg stockings.On this topic about woman clothing in Pokemon, the only case in which women have more... uhm... modest.. clothes are the Team Galactic Grunts. You know, that group that is often made fun of due to their clothing.
Old Team Plasma grunts could count, as well.
I think that one kind of makes sense, as if that's the whole idea of the Fairy Tale Girl. A trainer that looks cute, but upon closer inspection there's something seriously off about them.
I see, very interesting. For some reason this specific reason never crossed my mind.Personally I think it fits rather well with the Fairy type itself. A lot of people think that fairies are supposed to be the cute, Tinkerbellesque variety, but their type chart interactions and other details like movepool makes it pretty clear that they're actually the Fae Folk variety. The ones you keep away with cold iron, who kidnap people in their sleep and replace them with a wooden corpse, who replace human children with their own (changelings).
Honestly, the Fairy Tale Girl is a fantastic representation of all this in my opinion.
Here yeah go, happy nightmares.I'm not really a connoisseur of fairy tales (and fairies in general for that matter) by any means and I always only had this cliché-ridden depiction of a "benevolent cutesy innocent little helper fairy" stuck in my imagination. I was genuinely unaware that there has also always been a considerably more "dark" side to some of these creatures.
That's the only piece of the Hakamo-o clothing set I didn't use. I went for regular black jeans which, when used alongside the Hakamo-o greaves, gives the illusion of being full-length pants.BUT WAIT! USUM did give boys one shorts-short:
(Hello, Ladies)
But that aside (and it's for a bonus, outlandish costume anyway), once again boys receiver moderate sized shorts.
As a matter of fact yes I have been and I can confirm that while most of the characters are alright some of these are just over the top. Now, don't get me wrong, it's definitely there and I think Codra you are exaggerating a lot in some parts, but it's not on the level of mons. 11 year olds - dude that is 6th grade in the US at most and some of them are more sexualized than fucking 17 year old girls - in particular, Hikari from Diamond/Pearl and especially Hilda are wearing incredibly racy outfits. Hilda I just can't get over. Like the other ones it's not out of the ordinary but that outfit - with ripped everything and those shorts my god - that's stuff I don't see even the most racy girls at my school wear and believe me this is the kind of school that would do that.Sorry but has anyone here been to a middle/high school recently? The standard fashion for girls is shorts (or “second pair of underwear” lol) or tighter jeans, and Pokemon npcs aren’t particularly sexualized in any extreme regard and are moreso just dressing “in the period”, i.e girls typically wear much shorter shorts than boys do, and tell me when you see cargo pants being standard women’s fashion. On that note, I’m all for adding cargo pants as an all gender player customization option
The age of some of the characters are revealed or implied. I believe that it's around 10-11 up until Gen 5, where they're 12 or 13 or so (which is 7th grade, so Hilda's outfit is still a problem) and in Gen 6 they are implied to be full teenagers (serena's not that racy relative to some of the others but the zettai ryouiki is very apparent). In SM they are 11. I think I read this on Smogon actually so it's here somewhere.Furthering onto that point how tf are any of these characters 11 years old, just don’t give a definite age so you don’t double take every time an npc asks you if you’re 11 in game, doesn’t make sense to give the silent protagonist a set age when the player is supposed to project onto the avatar (which is helped by the ambiguous 12-16 year old look they’ve all had recently)
Well then there's the reverse argument of the only male short-shorts being some sort of stupid kneepad thing, and I want my male character to rock short shorts. It's a real lack of customization, really, and I guess they just felt that the time spent making knee length shorts could be better spent elsewhere. We'll just have to see what they do in future generationsI think we might be missing the point here.
The point isn't woman shouldn't wear short-shorts, miniskirts, or other revealing clothing. Not at all, if woman wants to dress that way more power to them.
The point is, at least to me, is that it seems to be the ONLY other option the 11-15 year old female playable character has if they don't want to wear the skin tight jeans (though Gen VII does give them longer skirts). The boys shorts are knee length, yet none of the girl's are?