Battle Tree Discussion and Records

[DK Quagmire]

Having a debate at the moment for super singles with my friends, as they keep having near misses, since their plus 6 set up Pokemon from Durant strats get the board cleared thanks to Whirlwind and Roar.

My very best friend is trying to run the same Venomoth as me with Durant and he's encountered Whirlwind Hippowdon, after the Mimikyu red card has been used up and i'm like. i'm very sorry. i don't have any good advice for this one.
I told him just use taunt with mimikyu. Thief until it dies or gets gust out again. If Durant comes out, entrainment it for extra idle turn. On the idle turn switch to moth and protect. If it gets gusted again just start using iron head on Durant and hope for a flinch. or switch back to moth and protect and keep this going until it runs out of whirlwind pp. if moth stays active, put up a sub. protect again and pray its not going to gust you out again. if it goes for earthquake... GREAT. you now have 2 free turns of attacks.

But then the issue came down to. Then what happens after hippo goes down. If Durant is active and choiced into iron head, it can't use entrainment on next pokemon, unless you double switch. If mimikyu has fainted then what? The next Pokemon might have a move that ohko your set up Pokemon on the switch.

My friend says hes so annoyed that he's gonna try and run Guillotine as Durants last move. Just to try and get rid of Hippowdon and Skarmory.
Or drop Mimikyu all together in favour of a Moody Smeargle with ingrain.

Does anybody here actually have a viable strategy for Whirlwind/ Roar when using Durant in Super Singles?

 

[Anna says hi]

Use a setup poke that has taunt. Alternatively, try to get both Mimi and Durant killed so that there's nothing for Roar to bring in. Guillotine won't even work very well as an anti-Skarm measure, since that can have Sturdy.

 

[GG Unit]

Speaking of the leaderboard: I'm new to this thread but the leaderboard is some ugly wall of text. Wouldn't it look better with some nicer formatting and maybe some icons? Example:

#01. GG Unit, (2005*) -

Etc with all the other links and such

It probably would make the page take really long to load while also being hard to read from a phone. This is also related to the person who was asking for a viability rankings list: the streak number is a pretty weak indicator of a team or Pokemon’s strength when a great team can lose through sloppy play or a team that’s not that good can have one extremely lucky run or someone can just BS a streak entirely and get it listed.

Beyond that, searching the page for a Pokemon’s name is a pretty fast and easy way to get some examples of how people are using it, and from there you just have to be your own judge. If anything’s wrong with the leaderboard (other than being slow to take down faked streaks or at least make note that their success is extremely dubious) is that it doesn’t specify that you can click on the names in that wall of text and get more specific information about the builds.

Having a debate at the moment for super singles with my friends, as they keep having near misses, since their plus 6 set up Pokemon from Durant strats get the board cleared thanks to Whirlwind and Roar.

My very best friend is trying to run the same Venomoth as me with Durant and he's encountered Whirlwind Hippowdon, after the Mimikyu red card has been used up and i'm like. i'm very sorry. i don't have any good advice for this one.
I told him just use taunt with mimikyu. Thief until it dies or gets gust out again. If Durant comes out, entrainment it for extra idle turn. On the idle turn switch to moth and protect. If it gets gusted again just start using iron head on Durant and hope for a flinch. or switch back to moth and protect and keep this going until it runs out of whirlwind pp. if moth stays active, put up a sub. protect again and pray its not going to gust you out again. if it goes for earthquake... GREAT. you now have 2 free turns of attacks.

But then the issue came down to. Then what happens after hippo goes down. If Durant is active and choiced into iron head, it can't use entrainment on next pokemon, unless you double switch. If mimikyu has fainted then what? The next Pokemon might have a move that ohko your set up Pokemon on the switch.

My friend says hes so annoyed that he's gonna try and run Guillotine as Durants last move. Just to try and get rid of Hippowdon and Skarmory.
Or drop Mimikyu all together in favour of a Moody Smeargle with ingrain.

Does anybody here actually have a viable strategy for Whirlwind/ Roar when using Durant in Super Singles?

I don’t know how one can ‘keep’ encountering it when it only shows up in the first what, 30 battles and would have to be a lead to make any difference if one was playing correctly. Also +6 Signal Beam from uninvested Venomoth does 110% minimum to Hippowdon (assuming perfect IVs, which it wouldn't have early on), so either you need to teach your friend how to breed Pokemon so they're not using one with a bad IV and a reducing nature or they were messing up in more ways than they're telling you because as others have mentioned, there are plenty of ways around it even if using a suboptimal team.

Sacrificing the other two team members has been a known workaround pretty much since Truant Durant has been available. You could also just try attacking with minimal boosts from your set-up sweeper since early on since it’s just weak Pokémon sets you're facing (even if you're not boosted enough to KO the last mon Durant would have a chance to finish it off with an attack). Or you could just be patient and know that Hippowdon isn’t going to use Whirlwind *every* time and try setting up a few more times before the panic switch to lock Durant into Iron Head, which would be beating almost nothing that comes out 3rd. My team has had the longest Singles streak in the Tree ever since I first used it like a year and a half ago and uses Taunt on Glalie, so it seems kinda silly to consider anti-phazing measures some sort of unheard-of niche strategy or to imply that I must have somehow lucked into 2500+ straight wins without considering Whirlwind/Roar users.

Your friend's intuition is at least right in that most set-up sweepers aren't good enough to justify using the other two Pokemon slots to support it and the team would be capable of a longer streak with a different sweeper or even a standalone good Pokemon like Chansey in Mimikyu's place. Of course it's up to them to decide where they fall on the scale from "let's see how many I can win in a row by KOing as much stuff as possible with Venomoth/other crapmon" to "let's see how many in a row I can win with two top-tier Pokemon that have to deal with Venomoth/other crapmon being dead weight most of the time" but Mimikyu doesn't help Durant get enough 'extra' Entrainments to offset how much more often something like Venomoth would fail to sweep compared to the good set-up sweepers.

 

[DK Quagmire]

Well I just lost my super amazing, super singles run to Sina. SINA of all people. Wow!!
Got all the way up to a win streak of 139, with a modified version of GG Unit's winning singles team but with my trademark star from the battle Maison... Venomoth. Here's the rundown:

Durant: Male (Barbados).
Item: Choice Scarf.
Nature: Jolly.
Ability: Truant.
EV's: 4 HP / 240 Attack/ 20 Def / 236 Speed
- Entrainment
- Iron Head
- X-Scissor
- Substitute

Turn 1 entrainment. Copy Truant to the opponent. Switch out protect and set up. sweep for game. this is Durants main role (as is durant in every durant team)
Funny story with this Durant. Somewhere along the lines I botched up my EV training. This thing was originally a 4 hp. 252 attack and 252 speed Durant. but after the 100th win I decided to start using the ev reducing berries. Problem was I didn't have enough of them to really warrant wanting to use them all. so instead went and used only a few to drop my speed stat then killed a few zubats to get up to 236 speed evs, then lowered my attack. Used a few Irons on it. I add up my evs. i only run 500. not 508. I used a HP up, which worked but my HP didn't change. somethings wrong here but couldn't be bothered to change it. The speed stat was the most important and as my mate pointed out it dies to a fire blast or fire type move anyway.
Currently have 6 Kelpsy berries, 6 Pomeg berries and 6 Tomato berries growing in Poke-Pelago. To try again later.
This thing will have the same ev spread as GG units Durant once berries are harvested.
X-scissor and iron head provide stab options for later switch ins. X scissor is used on turn 1 against Espeon and Absol though.
Substitute is still debatable. i read GG Units post and like the idea, but i have never once used a single PP from it. Maybe another move?

Mimikyu: Male (Doppleganger).
Item: Red Card.
Nature: Jolly.
Ability: Disguise.
EV's: 252 HP / 20 Sp. Def / 236 Speed
- Thief
- Thunder Wave
- Confide
- Taunt

Not much to say here. It's the same Mimikyu as GG units one. And this Pokemon has the same (correct) ev spread.
It fills in the roll of "What do i do against that lead Wishiwashi or Komala or Mimikyu immune to my entrainment."
This thing has saved me in so many battles it's unreal.
Taunt helps with those protect spammers.
Thunderwave can allow for easier set up, even though it misses sometimes. and thief can steal items after the Red card is used up. very good for removing choice items as well as other annoying items like bright powder and quick claw.
Confide is there pretty much to allow for an easier set up on special attackers. and it might help Durant to survive an attack that isn't fire type.

Venomoth: Male (Dovahkiin).
Item: Black Sludge.
Nature: Modest.
Ability: Tinted lens.
EV’s: 252 HP/ 4 Def/ 252 Sp. Atk
-Protect
-Substitute
-Quiver Dance
-Signal Beam

Dovahkiin, the Twitch plays Pokemon, Dragon slaying Pokemon is back! and it's a different gender!? (this one was the first perfect 5 iv spread egg I hatched in ultra sun. I couldn't bare to send my old one through poke-bank.)
Why I use Venomoth is because I have a huge huge dislike to using Glalie in so many ways. For starters the Moody Boosts put me off. Sure I might get to plus 6 special attack, but I may also have a drop in accuracy, which could cost me the game. Quiver Dance users don't have this problem. They just set up and go. Out of all the Quiver Dancers the best one by far for the battle tree (and the Maison), has been Venomoth. Its typing is amazing. 0.25 damage from hi-jump kicks while setting up. Yes please! Bug/ Poison is such a good typing. My original use for this in omega ruby was to stop the choice scarfed leads from switching out, if the move they were stuck doing, did zero damage. If I had Yanmega and the opponent was using earthquake, they would switch. With Bug/ Poison having zero immunities I never worry about the opponent switching out.
Venomoth comes with many other perks that Glalie doesn't get. Such as immunity to Poison. Toxic Spikes on the switch in don't scare this moth. Resistance to fighting but you do trade a steel weakness for a psychic weakness, which is actually pretty brutal. But most Psychic types are special attacking, and since quiver dance boosts your sp. def, you should be fine at plus 6.
Tinted Lens is the biggest selling point for it, as the 0.5 damage from resisted stuff is removed and can calmly get kos against things that should resist bug types. the quad resistant to bug type pokemon can be a little trickier but the 0.25 damage gets changed to 0.5 damage thanks to tinted lens, which still lets it get 2 hkos.

One thing you may of noticed on this new gen 7 Venomoth compared to the one I used in my Maison run, was the replacement of Bug Buzz for Signal Beam. Lets just say I was more than annoyed at the loss I took in Omega Ruby from soundproof Abomasnow, and wanted revenge. While much weaker, Signal beam has a nice chance of confusion. it also has more PP. only annoying thing i have seen so far is i have to 3 hko Snorlax before. this was never an issue with bug buzz.

Onto the losing win streak battle!
I lost to Sina on battle 140. Battle code here: 46VG-WWWW-WWWT-FS24
Heres how the battle went. Turn 1 Abomasnow. use Entrainment. Abomasnow mega evolves and uses protect. oh dear.
turn 2 switch into Mimikyu. dodges Focus Blast.
turn 3 Abomasnow uses Blizzard. removes disguise. red card activates and pulls up Drampa.
i then thunder wave, thief (steals a quick claw) and taunt in succession before Mimikyu faints.
send in durant. get the entertainment off. (No quick claw for you mate) and fire blast ohkos durant.
send in Venomoth. set up sub and set up to plus 6 with quiver dance.
once fully set up i ko Drampa and Mega Abomasnow comes out.
I go for signal beam, but an ice shard has priority and brakes my sub. Signal Beam ohkos Mega Abomasnow.
Sina sends out Mandibuzz and I try to use sub and it uses Punishment. The sub is immediately broken. I go for a protect to try and stall a turn of hail, and it uses punishment again.
I use signal beam. Mandibuzz lives on 1 HP. Punishment OHKOs me.

And that's the end of the run. RIP. Strangely after doing damage calculations...
0 Atk Mandibuzz Punishment (200 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Venomoth: 118-141 (66.6 - 79.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery.
If i hadn't of used Substitute I may of had a chance to win this. If I had full HP, it would of been a guaranteed 2hko on my Venomoth. i had 133 HP remaining after the sub/ hail/ black sludge, which put me in the 75% health range. The Mandibuzz just got the higher end of the roll percentage here.

before i leave, i'll give you guys some other funny video replays which could of gone very bad against me:

Battle 79: NFZW-WWWW-WWWT-FSYJ
A fake out Weavile lead makes me double switch, and Durant gets frozen on the switch back in. i then suffer weaviles wrath until durant thaws out with 20 hp remaining before i can use Entrainment before it faints and i can set up to win.

Battle 109: LTQW-WWWW-WWWT-FSLA
A Lead Archeops scares the crap out of me, as i'm worried it might be choice banded. I was taking GG Unit's comment into consideration here about choice users running out of PP and switching out. after losing Durant turn 1 after entrainment, because of head smash. I send in Mimikyu by mistake and Paralyse it. After a failed thief because I still have card, red card forces archeops out into Conkledurr. i then have to set up on a paralysed conkeldurr with no entrainment set up. and this thing had moves like stone edge and pay back which could break my subs. but i prevail and get the full +6 and a substitute to sweep the rest of the game. in a way the Mimikyu's thunder wave helped me to set up. if i did switch straight into Venomoth, i would only have like 4 turns of set up, before Arcehops switched.

Battle 130: 2ZDW-WWWW-WWWT-FSSR
Lead Incineroar. could have quick claw. turn 1 switch to Mimikyu. Incineroar uses Flare Blitz, and gets switched with red card. I use confide, then taunt the new Magnezone, before it faints. send in Durant. use entrainment. works. dies in one hit to thunderbolt. i then do my usual reckless set up of Sub-protect-dance-dance again, then back to sub. I had completely forgotten all about the chance of this thing having Volt switch. I get my stats to plus 6 and as I use sub again, it uses Volt switch on me. i'm like OH! that could of ruined my set up! But I sweep the rest of Professor Kukui's team.

Battle 132: HEKG-WWWW-WWWT-FT2P
Another Head smash lead. This time it's Rampardos. I try doing what i did to Archeops earlier, by sending in Mimikyu to force it out. But Mold breaker says NO DISGUISE FOR YOU! and OHKO's Mimikyu with head smash on the switch. Switch in Durant. get entrainment off. Gets one shotted by head smash. i think its over for me, if its the choice band set, and it uses sitrus berry. I'm like what! I didn't have to lose Mimikyu this game! I set up on Rampardos and sweep. The opponent was even kind enough to have a Slaking in the second position. Would of loved it if this was red carded out.

If you want to check out my Omega Ruby run with Venomoth you can click here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/battle-maison-discussion-records.3492706/page-205#post-7053369
and here's the link to GG Units post that truly helped make the run possible: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/battle-tree-discussion-and-records.3587215/page-76#post-7293831

Am I trying this again? I sure am. Knowing how much I misplayed that last game.

 

[Worldie]

Well I just lost my super amazing, super singles run to Sina. SINA of all people. Wow!!

You have yet to witness Sina's true horrible powers...

 

[Coeur7]

EXCISED

 

[SadisticMystic]

Sina sends out Mandibuzz and I try to use sub and it uses Punishment. The sub is immediately broken. I go for a protect to try and stall a turn of hail, and it uses punishment again.
I use signal beam. Mandibuzz lives on 1 HP. Punishment OHKOs me.

And that's the end of the run. RIP. Strangely after doing damage calculations...
0 Atk Mandibuzz Punishment (200 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Venomoth: 118-141 (66.6 - 79.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery.
If i hadn't of used Substitute I may of had a chance to win this. If I had full HP, it would of been a guaranteed 2hko on my Venomoth. i had 133 HP remaining after the sub/ hail/ black sludge, which put me in the 75% health range. The Mandibuzz just got the higher end of the roll percentage here.

Believe it or not, Punishment only has 5 PP, and then the set is harmless. Shunting the entire supply of that onto subs was another available option, and even prevents the possibility of them winning with the critical KO from full health.

 

[DK Quagmire]

You have yet to witness Sina's true horrible powers...

I noticed her Drampa carries Quick Claw and Fire blast. That is absolutely terrifying for any Durant team. thankfully in my battle i was able to remove the item before it did any harm.

Believe it or not, Punishment only has 5 PP, and then the set is harmless. Shunting the entire supply of that onto subs was another available option, and even prevents the possibility of them winning with the critical KO from full health.

I had no idea that punishment even had 5 pp. wow. i could of protect/ sub spammed until it had all been used up. looking at Mandibuzz 4's other moves, it doesn't have anything that even does damage.

 

[Kong Harald]

What happens if Torment is used on a pokemon with a choice item? Will it switch out or struggle?

 

[Coeur7]

EXCISED

 

[Worldie]

What happens if Torment is used on a pokemon with a choice item? Will it switch out or struggle?

Strictly speaking of game mechanic, the poke struggles every other turn. I have no idea how the AI would react, though

 

[Burning Abyss]

Burning Abyss

There is no Focus Sash Alakazam in the Battle Tree that can appear at any point past battle 49 (not even Blue can bring it, Zam4 is Choice Specs), which I find simply unbelievable that you wouldn't have noticed over 1000 battles it if you singled it out as threat #1 to your team and the only one you could possibly lose to, as you claimed last time you appeared here. I'm far from the only one to have noticed.

I saw you on Discord, so before you edit that out of your writeup (there's enough other red flags but this one is undeniable), I think I should mention it here as well.

I've been on discord since the day I posted my 1000th streak, and I have not edited anything, have I? Except for the Lunala to Cresselia thing because I was in a rush editing the first write up. Okay I honestly didn't know Alakazam FS couldn't appear after 49. I have seen it many times during my runs since I have tried more than 6 runs. That's why I kept in mind Focus Sash Zam is a threat to the team. I quitted using Catalogue on Serebii after the the 100~ wins on this run anyway so I didn't know a lot about all the details.

To all the guys that want to call me out, feel free to prove me wrong. If you want to call my streak fake, you can say it here instead of in my back so i will have a chance to defend myself.

Editted: I specifically emphasized that MEGA Zam is the biggest threat btw. I included Zam and Mega Zam in there because it's the same species. I said it wouldn't be so bad if it did not have the focus sash.

 

[Worldie]

Okay I honestly didn't know Alakazam FS couldn't appear after 49. I have seen it many times during my runs since I have tried more than 6 runs. That's why I kept in mind Focus Sash Zam is a threat to the team. I quitted using Catalogue on Serebii after the the 100~ wins on this run anyway so I didn't know a lot about all the details.

Eh to be honest, we all been there.

For example I've ran countless post legend attempts while playing around Fake Out when Incineroar shown up, only to eventually realize Incin34 don't have Fake Out at all.
(Not that my experience counts anything considering I've never had streaks worthy of note anyway, but that stuff happens to everyone)

 

[Burning Abyss]

Eh to be honest, we all been there.

For example I've ran countless post legend attempts while playing around Fake Out when Incineroar shown up, only to eventually realize Incin34 don't have Fake Out at all.
(Not that my experience counts anything considering I've never had streaks worthy of note anyway, but that stuff happens to everyone)

I didn't realize that Mamoswine didn't show up with Ice Shard later on (or so they said) but apparently those mistakes mean my streak is completely invalid and utterly bullshit lmao

 

[paperquagsire]

I didn't realize that Mamoswine didn't show up with Ice Shard later on (or so they said) but apparently those mistakes mean my streak is completely invalid and utterly bullshit lmao

It's the sheer volume of mistakes, along with the sets such as electrium Z Koko and backline sash ash-Greninja that most people agree wouldn't work as well as the normal sets most people run. Also you have no battle videos besides 450 vs plumeria which didn't showcase any of the strengths or weaknesses of your team. I also find it very hard to believe that your battle video won't upload to be honest, and also that you went 1000 battles without any other noteworthy battles that would be worthy of saving and uploading to show here. I would love to believe your team is legit, but all the signs point towards it being bullshit.

 

[Burning Abyss]

It's the sheer volume of mistakes, along with the sets such as electrium Z Koko and backline sash ash-Greninja that most people agree wouldn't work as well as the normal sets most people run. Also you have no battle videos besides 450 vs plumeria which didn't showcase any of the strengths or weaknesses of your team. I also find it very hard to believe that your battle video won't upload to be honest, and also that you went 1000 battles without any other noteworthy battles that would be worthy of saving and uploading to show here. I would love to believe your team is legit, but all the signs point towards it being bullshit.

Lol. First of all, the fact that you think my streak is bullshit because you think "Oh you don't use this move on this pokemon. My sets are superior to yours. Should've used this move" is completely bullshit.

Second of all, I only used to saving milestones and that reptile dude said "Don't save battles for the sake of saving..." or something along the line so I didn't save much anyway.

If me not being able to upload my videos makes you think my streak is bullshit, I just saved 10 consecutive battles from 1021 to 1031 last night and I will update them when i get home. (They now let me upload the videos)

 

[paperquagsire]

Lol. First of all, the fact that you think my streak is bullshit because you think "Oh you don't use this move on this pokemon. My sets are superior to yours. Should've used this move" is completely bullshit.

Second of all, I only used to saving milestones and that reptile dude said "Don't save battles for the sake of saving..." or something along the line so I didn't save much anyway.

If me not being able to upload my videos makes you think my streak is bullshit, I just saved 10 consecutive battles from 1021 to 1031 last night and I will update them when i get home. (They now let me upload the videos)

I'm saying that because every fake streak out there lacks battle videos. As for your sets, convince me why Ash-Gren is better than protean and why Electrium-Z is better than Specs Koko.

 

[Burning Abyss]

Because locking my pokemons into a choice item means I have to switch them out when pokemons that resist the choice locked move switch in? Another important thing is that it makes me vulnerable as I can't use Protect.

It's also why I run Focus Sash over Specs Gren. Protean Gren sucks as its power is underwhelming. The idea behind Ash Gren in the back is to switch in when my pokes are KO'd, claim a kill on a pokemon to get Ash form and get more kills with the boosted power and Focus Sash.

Don't even start mentioning Mat Block as an argument why my sets are trash thus makes my streak bullshit. I would run Mat Block if it's Protean Gren as a lead. But that is not the stratery of mine and I prefer Protect over Mat Block.

 

[Coeur7]

EXCISED

 

[Kong Harald]

Just to add to what Coeur7 wrote above, it's pretty strange that you stopped using the trainer catalogue as the streak got longer. One would expect it to be the other way around - the longer the streak, the more afraid you become of losing, and thus you should play more carefully by looking up sets. Obviously, this doesn't prove anything (I did a ~500 streak myself without knowing any sets in the maison), just something i noticed.

 

[turskain]

I've been on discord since the day I posted my 1000th streak, and I have not edited anything, have I? Except for the Lunala to Cresselia thing because I was in a rush editing the first write up. Okay I honestly didn't know Alakazam FS couldn't appear after 49. I have seen it many times during my runs since I have tried more than 6 runs. That's why I kept in mind Focus Sash Zam is a threat to the team. I quitted using Catalogue on Serebii after the the 100~ wins on this run anyway so I didn't know a lot about all the details.

To all the guys that want to call me out, feel free to prove me wrong. If you want to call my streak fake, you can say it here instead of in my back so i will have a chance to defend myself.

Editted: I specifically emphasized that MEGA Zam is the biggest threat btw. I included Zam and Mega Zam in there because it's the same species. I said it wouldn't be so bad if it did not have the focus sash.

I would like to mention that you are more than welcome to discuss your streak, or other subjects both here, and on the Battle Tree discord - you can also view the discord without joining it, if preferred, through the public logs available here.

In addition, in the OP you'll find the rules for the thread, and those concerning submissions to the leaderboard. Here are a few of them:

Don't cheat. Streaks using hacked Pokemon will not be leaderboard eligible. [Edit: In the interest of clarity, note that this includes "legal" hacks. We've been consistent on this in all the battle facility threads for previous generations.] And I shouldn't even have to mention things like using other software to backup savefiles. No no no. I promise you, we have enough experienced players that suspect streaks get identified very quickly, and cheating to put together a streak of dubious validity will not win you respect.

This is not a court of law. I reserve the right to reject sufficiently dubious streaks even without absolute proof of cheating.

If you'd like a streak to be leaderboard eligible, please include a link to a video of your losing battle. Given the issues with certain videos failing to upload, and version 1.0 videos not being playable in 1.1, a proof photo is acceptable, but a video is still preferred where possible.

 

[Burning Abyss]

It's not any single error you've made, it's the sheer density of them that makes me suspicious, and I'm not "talking behind your back", I'm confronting you about it. Here, have a few, since you asked.

* Almost your entire write-up is "this move hits this type super-effectively" or "strategy is to deal damage and outnumber the opponent".
* You claim to rely on speed, but your team has no speed control at all: the only Doubles team of anywhere near this streak length that has none.
* You claim that Electrium Koko's coverage handles Dragon-types and Ground-types, but non-Specs Dazzling Gleam doesn't even come close to OHKOing Flygon, to say nothing of all other dragons except for one of two Hydreigons; even Kommo-o34 usually survive. Non-Specs Grass Knot does not safely OHKO any of Hippowdon, Gastrodon, Swampert, Mudsdale, Garchomp, Landorus, and pretty much every other Ground-type you can imagine; in fact, not even Specs Knot can accomplish this. Electrium Koko attacks off 147 SpA when using its coverage.
* Usage of Toxic + Seismic Toss Sub-less Minimize Chansey.
* Strategic incongruities that sound like you make everything up on the spot. You mention Greninja's role as "taking Ice moves", but you also "never switch in Greninja", etc.
* Despite that you claim to always switch out from Crobat, our battle video of Plumeria at #450 shows Tapu Koko staying in on Crobat, whose critical Cross Poison OHKOs. You win the speed tie and proceed to defeat her after she rolls three two completely benign species/sets. This specific mistake would have been punished far before 450 seeing as Crobat is a very common enemy, Crobat3 has a 50% e: critical hit rate, and you would probably have resolved to stop making it by that point.
* Mentioning Focus Sash Alakazam at all suggests you fail a lot before 50 battles, because it's rare to see on 1-50 at all -- in fact most people would not know off-hand that any Focus Sash Zam exists in the Battle Tree. It remains very suspicious that you would see not a single non-Mega Alakazam, the pokemon whose species you think is the only one you can lose to, and not notice such an item as Focus Sash not being on it. If it were like Expert Belt vs. Twisted Spoon, I could believe you much more on this.
* "If I had Ash-Greninja, I would have proceeded to replace Protect with Low Kick for [Ferrothorn]." But you proceed to do nothing of the sort, or even mention Low Kick.
* "But if I protected with Koko and use HP ice with Landorus, what if [Garchomp4] mega evolved and go for Sandstream which will help it survive an HP Ice and leave my Landorus vulnerable to an attack?" Sandstorm does not do anything to make Garchomp4 survive HP Ice. It could only use the move after you've fired HP Ice, too.
* "If I use a Z Move or TBolt and it mega evolves, I'm in a really bad situation as Lightning Rod raises its power and it can outspeed me easily. Its Earthquake and Leaf Blade are really threatening to Koko and Landorus." Lightning Rod does nothing to raise Sceptile4's damage output,, since it is physical. Neither of the moves you list are really threatening, with Sceptile-M having one of the weakest Earthquakes in the Tree, to the point that the damage range of Leaf Blade (e: to clarify, Leaf Blade to Koko, calc for yourself if you want to verify) overlaps with it.
252 Atk Sceptile-Mega Leaf Blade vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 76-90 (46.3 - 54.8%) -- 56.6% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Sceptile-Mega Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Koko: 88-104 (60.6 - 71.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
* You claim giving Mega-Gyarados free turns to DD or whatever is the greater threat than normal Gyarados if Koko is dead (fair), but then say you proceed to target potential Mega-Gyarados with Zen Headbutt; does not compute.
* "Koko doesn't want to take an Overheat from Rotom Heat either, so does Metagross. Plus, it has White Herb so it can use that move as full power twice." No set of Rotom-Heat has White Herb; you failed to notice this in 1000 battles.
* "The fact that Koko's Grass Knot doesn't kill Mamoswine is annoying because then I would have to predict whether it uses Ice Shard to kill Landorus [...]" No set of Mamoswine carries the move Ice Shard; you failed to notice this in 1000 battles.
* "With a great typing of Fire and Ghost, it can get rid of a lot of threats for my team such as bulky Psychic pokemons, Steel pokemons, or even speacially defensive pokemons like Blissey thanks to Psyshock."
252 SpA Blacephalon Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 90-107 (27.2 - 32.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
0 SpA Blissey Mud Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blacephalon: 48-58 (37.5 - 45.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
This is the *less* physically defensive Blissey set in the Tree.
* "Even though its special attack power is not invested, it still has 311 points, which is higher than a fully invested Timid Greninja. Crazy right?" This is neutral-natured Pheromosa's uninvested SAtk stat at level 100 i.e. you obviously never cared to look said stat up until now (turskain's calculator defaulted to level 100 at the time). Greninja is Protean when using Ice Beam, meaning it hits much harder with its Ice Beam; the comparison is wholly misleading.
* You call ReptoAbysmal "this reptile dude" here, but last time, you explicitly mentioned him by name as wanting to beat his record. It's just one more incongruity that suggests you make up everything you write on the spot.
* You "save milestones" but apparently have no video of any battle between 450-1000 that you can successfully upload.

Your streak might not be provable as bullshit, but a lot of what you claim in your writeup demonstrably is. Writing "Lunala" for "Cresselia" or confusing set numbers is a whole different category of errors that I wouldn't hold against your believability.

So, no. I don't believe you yet, at all.

Okay, I just got back home, so sorry for the late response. First of all, thank you for the post, and I just wanna clear things up a little bit for the people saying I'm arrogant claming Tree is ez and wondering how I got to 1000th with second attempt at Super Double Tree. This is not my 2nd attempt at the Tree at all. This is the 6th time. The first and second time being Mega Mence, Koko, Incineroar and Blissey. The third and fourth run being the same team but with Suicune instead of Blissey. The fifth one is Excadrill instead of Suicune. And the 6th run is this one.
Also, I have NEVER claimed Tree to be easy. I set my goal to reach 1000 wins because I was being optimistic. The first 5 runs struggled to reach 100 wins so I had to change the core of the team and I found success with the team I'm running right now. AND WHEN DID I CLAIM THAT TREE IS EZ?

* Yes, like I said the strategy of my team is simple. Since the previous teams did not have much power the pressure opponents, I opted for a Hyper Offense team and that's what Hyper Offense teams do. I honestly do not know what else you want me to talk about the team. It's not like my team needs strategy like using Trick Room or anything.
* I feel like speed control is unnecessary because my team is naturally (pretty) fast. Things that can beat this team in speed are Swift Swimmers team and Trick Room team. However, Swift Swimmers are rarely seen though, except for Mega Swampert. Ludicolo and Kingdra most of the time against my previous runs did not have the swift swim ability at all. And I made my point clear about Trick Room. If I see a Trick Room user as a lead, I will gang up on that mon to stop the trick room.
* You are right about the whole Koko's coverage moves not dealing enough damage. I have used Koko in every run and I feel so comfortable with Z Koko, though. Usually I HP Ice with Landorus to take down Flygon anyway. Even though I can't KO those said ground types with Grass Knot, it deals enough damage to be kill with Lando's Earth Power anyway. I know what you are saying that Grass Knot is weak but Gastrodon, Mudsdale are not threats to the lead Koko and Lando at all. Grass Knot dealing more than half HP of those pokemons are more than enough. And Garchomp is somewhat problematic but usually protecting with Koko and HP ice with Lando gets the job done.
* Toxic + Seismic Toss Sub-less Minimize Chansey. So you are saying I just use Sub? But then I would have to get rid of Soft-Boiled? Or Toxic? I don't think Sub should be prioritized anyway. And I failed miserable with that team too so I don't know why you are bringing that up. I know that team is bad.
* You are right. I have mistakes in my stratregy. I didn't mean switching Gren in to take Ice at all. I had to stay up late last night and tried to finish writing it as soon as possible in the following day so the write up is full of mistakes. You are absolutely right.
* You are wrong about the Koko Crobat thing. At that point of the game, my opponent only have Toxapex and Crobat, so I knew I'm going to win. Therefore, I took the 50% chance to stay in with Koko because even if it dies, I still have my Mega Gross to kill Crobat and Lando to kill Toxapex anyway. There is no way I could have lost that battle.
* Yes, my first 5th runs have always been under 86 wins so I have encountered Sash Alakazam multiples times. This is also the reason why I said I battled Blue so many times. I honestly don't know that Sash Zam doesn't appear after 50th battle and it can only have Specs. Like I said I stopped using Catalouge after the 100 wins so I don't know that. It's my mistake to fail to realize that any non-mega Zam does not have Sash.
* The reason I didn't want to use Low Kick on Ash-Gren is because I realized even though it's hard to deal damage to Ferrothorn, it did not deal damage to me either. Most of the times it just spammed Curse lol. After battling so many battles, I feel like Ferrothorn is not worthy for me to sacrifice Protect for.
* This is me being brain dead haha. I am completely wrong on this one so there is nothing so say much about it. I was just trying to make a point that Mega Chomp can survive an HP Ice. Please ignore it haha
* I was just assuming that mega Scep can be special anyway.
* I could have sworn that I have seen and White Herb Rotom Heat. Are you sure about it not existing? Could you provide some proof? I still might be wrong. But I definitely have seen White Herb Rotom Heat.
* Again, the whole Ice Shard Mamoswine have been said before. I know saying I have seen it is a terrible argument but I did. What am I supposed to do to prove? I need your proof on this one too. I have played a lot of games keeping in mind that Mamo might have Ice Shard lol.
* I have never seen a Mud Bomb Blissey at all. I might have seen one but probably forgot about it. But all I see is Blissey spamming Ice Beam, or Double Team or Softboil Toxic that sort of things. Don't remember it having Mud Bomb. And that is just me brainstorming in my head to pick a member substituting for Gren lol. Why would you feel the need to being this up? To prove that I am a bad pokemon player? I never said I'm good anyway. I felt lucky enough to achieve to goal to 1000 wins.
* Yes, this is me comparing them at level 100 on Showdown because I wrote the sets on Showdown to paste them in here. It does not say anything.
* I did mention his name last time. The reason behind my calling him a reptile dude is because his comment about "My Araquanid team is weak against Primal Groudon" is a bait in an attempt to invalidate my streak and what he said later on Discord. I knew he was just kidding so I just laughed it off as I knew I had a brain fart while trying to rushing the 1000th win report (The whole Lunala instead of Cresselia thing). But then I saw him talk shit behind my back, calling me a letdown because of my (I'm assuming) boring response even though he did try to use his "humorous" response. (You are so funny dude, hahaha) That's why I don't wanna mention his name and call him reptile. I was somewhat angry because people out of no where talk crap about my streak in Discord and not on this post itself and want to invalidate my effort for the streak. Imagine playing more than a thousand games to achieve something just to be shot down like that.
* Nope, I did not save battles from 450 to 1000 because I don't find that necessary. Most of my saved battles are my tournament games. I have a ton of tournament games saved so I don't have enough space to save those milestones battles anyway since nobody really cared about them. Last night I deleted many videos to save 10 videos of me playing on the tree to update because people would not believe it without the videos (which is understandable).

All in all, your post is really good about pointing out my errors and I appreciate that. I wish people had pointed that out in my first post but oh well. I admit that I made a lot of mistakes. This is the reason why I why reread everything and double-check on my next reports (if there is one) to make sure they won't happen again. I stopped using Catalogue so I can't remember specific sets and what pokemons have what as good as you guys.

I know this is a bad response from my part, but that's all there is to say. I was so happy to reach 1000 wins that night so I wanna edit a little bit from my first post and shorten it to update my streak. I figured people wouldn't care if I wrote another report so I did not want to write another wall of text.

Here are the battle videos from 1020 to 1028:
1020: DV7W-WWWW-WWWT-GWGG
1021: FXJW-WWWW-WWWT-HJHL
1022: SPRG-WWWW-WWWT-HJHR
1023: ZS3G-WWWW-WWWT-HJYX
1024: WWFG-WWWW-WWWT-HJY6
1025: Y5HG-WWWW-WWWT-HJYC
1026: TC2W-WWWW-WWWT-HJYT
1027: 6F4G-WWWW-WWWT-HJJ3
1028: RNGG-WWWW-WWWT-HJKD

Update to 1090:
1045: QXKW-WWWW-WWWT-KL7K
1050: GZGG-WWWW-WWWT-KL8Q
1055: RZJG-WWWW-WWWT-KL92
1060: X24W-WWWW-WWWT-KL99
1065: SE9G-WWWW-WWWT-KL9Y
1070: VL4G-WWWW-WWWT-KL9Q
1080: MNRG-WWWW-WWWT-KL9V
1085: 3CGG-WWWW-WWWT-KLA7
1090: 88KW-WWWW-WWWT-KLAE

 

[PikaCuber]

Curious, Burning Abyss, you mentioned when you were at 400 or so that you felt like Greninja was too weak to function well on your team, and you wanted to replace it with Blacephalon or Pheromosa or some other UB, if I remember correctly. Why did you end up sticking with Greninja after you thought that it didn't work for about 400 battles, instead of swapping to one of your secondary plans that you had made and mentioned?

 

[Eisenherz]

Alright...

This is not my 2nd attempt at the Tree at all. This is the 6th time.

Hmmmm...

I have seen it many times during my runs since I have tried more than 6 runs.

And I made my point clear about Trick Room. If I see a Trick Room user as a lead, I will gang up on that mon to stop the trick room.

There are plenty of occasions during a 1000 streak where you'll face a lead that has double Trick Room setters since many trainers are Trick Room specialists, and you have no way of knowing which one will go for Trick Room. In most cases, it's also very unlikely you'll be able to OHKO both with your lead. A streak where one successfully prevents Trick Room for a thousand battles is unheard of. Also, how do you know which Pokémon are Trick Room users if you don't look at the sets, and make it very clear in this post and the previous ones that you don't already know them?

Even though I can't KO those said ground types with Grass Knot, it deals enough damage to be kill with Lando's Earth Power anyway. I know what you are saying that Grass Knot is weak but Gastrodon, Mudsdale, Lando are not threats to the lead Koko and Lando at all. Grass Knot dealing more than half HP of those pokemons are more than enough. And Garchomp is somewhat problematic but usually protecting with Koko and HP ice with Lando gets the job done.

This, and several of your comments from previous posts, make the assumption that you can freely double up on a threat turn 1 if it's a big threat, and ignore its partner for that turn. In practice, this never works out for extended streaks, because you end up facing the wrong combination of Pokémon, where both are giant threats you want to double up on. This is why very simple hyper offence tends to not work out in the long run; as soon as you run into something problematic, you have no resources to reposition, your Pokémon are frail and there is no speed control to come back on top.

I have mistakes in my stratregy. I didn't mean switching Gren in to take Ice at all. I had to stay up late last night and tried to finish writing it as soon as possible in the following day so the write up is full of mistakes.

So why did you write this? Being tired is a good reason for leaving details out and such, but I don't see how it makes you say you do stuff that you don't.

Yes, my first 5th runs have always been under 86 wins so I have encountered Sash Alakazam multiples times. This is also the reason why I said I battled Blue so many times

5 times is not a lot. Sash Alakazam is very uncommon even pre-50, so in 6 runs, you can't have encountered so many. Also, in all the battles post-50 you've played, which together amount for more than your previous failed streaks, how did you never notice that non-Mega Alakazam was not surviving on a Focus Sash if you were playing as though it were sashed the entire time? Did it not seem weird that non-Mega Alakazam was getting OHKOd while you assumed sash?

I could have sworn that I have seen and White Herb Rotom Heat. Are you sure about it not existing? Could you provide some proof? I still might be wrong. But I definitely have seen White Herb Rotom Heat.

Again, the whole Ice Shard Mamoswine have been said before. I know saying I have seen it is a terrible argument but I did. What am I supposed to do to prove? I need your proof on this one too. I have played a lot of games keeping in mind that Mamo might have Ice Shard lol.

I was somewhat angry because people out of no where talk crap about my streak in Discord and not on this post itself and want to invalidate my effort for the streak. Imagine playing more than a thousand games to achieve something just to be shot down like that.

It's absolutely normal for such a big claim to get discussed. No one would put your streak to doubt if you did not give us a ton of reasons to do so. Your streak is getting called out because the pieces don't fit together in what you are saying. I wouldn't want to shut you down if you did play 1000 battles and reported it, but I believe you haven't, so I think calling this out is the right thing to do.

 

[Burning Abyss]

Curious, Burning Abyss, you mentioned when you were at 400 or so that you felt like Greninja was too weak to function well on your team, and you wanted to replace it with Blacephalon or Pheromosa or some other UB, if I remember correctly. Why did you end up sticking with Greninja after you thought that it didn't work for about 400 battles, instead of swapping to one of your secondary plans that you had made and mentioned?

Yea Gren was too weak and I didn't have Ash Gren at the time. I late had Ash Gren and used it instead. I tried Pheromosa and it almost cost me the whole streak so yeah, I'm sticking with Ash Gren