The Everything NFL Thread - 2018-2019 season

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TheValkyries said:
Well Dak is better but he isn’t good enough to carry the hulking weight of inept coaching, and bad talent. But even if I were to play the moving goal post game of “best [qualifier] QB” the problem is simply they’re good probably, but neither of them are MVP good and this isn’t a reverse projection of people on Brady’s case, if anything Pretzels reaction is more in line with that kind of thinking which is funnily enough exactly what he said. And again I don’t want to convey a message I’m not trying to send. The lavish praise and ludicrous comparisons both of those QBs in particular get just simply are unfounded given the fact that they are surrounded by everything that’s needed to succeed in the NFL. Everyone seems to take that sentiment to mean that they’re bad actually but again to be clear they’re probably good. Last I checked though it wasn’t the Most Probably Good Player award. I contend they absolutely don’t have the lions share of the offensive success on their teams and if there were such a metric as “Success Above Replacement” Kelce and Tyreek Hill would absolutely be crushing it there far more than Mahomes. And we literally saw what happened when they replaced Wentz.

So all in all: miss me Entirely with the trash that encompasses the logic behind the ‘all success is due to the QB, the game of football is actually just one QB versus a defense and the other players are merely an extension of his skill’ stuff. If you put a team together of the all the best offensive players at each position and put an average NFL qb behind center you’d have far and away the best offense in the league, and the QB would still get the credit, and be the fan favorite MVP. And that’s SEVERELY laughable.
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You'll probably agree with what I'm about to say, but for those who don't know their football history, before Brady ascended to his GOAT levels he was a product of exactly this line of thinking. The team around him was so stacked in their early SB runs, yet he won every one of the sb mvps and received the lions share of the credit. Even in the year he missed, replacement level QB Matt Cassell stepped up and went 11-5. Yes, Brady would have done better, but 11-5 would've won the division literally any other year.

If anything, I think the latter half of his career was when Brady finally became the reason for the Patriots success. QBs are the most important player on an nfl roster, but that doesn't mean they're always the key to a teams success.
 
Brady absolutely had and has a lot of help there’s literally no possible way the Patriots would be this consistently good if he was just slinging it by himself to nobodies. AND AGAIN having help isn’t a knock on QBs it’s literally necessary to succeed at any level. All I’m saying is Mahomes and Wentz have to keep proving it before the orgies can be thrown in their honor.
 
Stallion said:
You'll probably agree with what I'm about to say, but for those who don't know their football history, before Brady ascended to his GOAT levels he was a product of exactly this line of thinking. The team around him was so stacked in their early SB runs, yet he won every one of the sb mvps and received the lions share of the credit. Even in the year he missed, replacement level QB Matt Cassell stepped up and went 11-5. Yes, Brady would have done better, but 11-5 would've won the division literally any other year.

If anything, I think the latter half of his career was when Brady finally became the reason for the Patriots success. QBs are the most important player on an nfl roster, but that doesn't mean they're always the key to a teams success.
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Brady is the only QB in history to lead the NFL in TDs in his first full year as starter, he was already one of the best QB's in the league at the start of his career and this was with him being surrounded by absolute jamokes at the skill positions. He's definitely been the most important player to his team's success his entire career and in recent season many would argue he's the sole reason.

And to put the Matt Cassel 11-5 year into context:

In in terms of offensive efficiency ratings there was a greater drop from the 2007 Pats to the 2008 Pats than there was from the 2010 Colts to the 2011 Colts

In fact the Offensive drop off from Brady to Cassel marked the biggest decrease in a teams offense efficiency in NFL history if i'm not Mistaken.

And the team returned every offensive starter save Brady.

They also had an extremely easy schedule that year and got destroyed by every good team they faced.

The lavish praise and ludicrous comparisons both of those QBs in particular get just simply are unfounded given the fact that they are surrounded by everything that’s needed to succeed in the NFL.
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The Current state of the NY Giants shows how valuable great skill position players are when their QB is absolute garbo.

You cant have a good offense without good quarterback play no matter how good the skill guys are.

But to your point Alex Smith actually had better stats than Mahomes at this time last year, but couldn't keep it up for an entire season. So I guess we'll see.
 
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Stallion said:
Ravens have the best d in football, change my mind
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Why would we try to change your mind from something that is true?

Although the titans aren't exactly the stiffest test. Now all you need is for Flacco to channel his inner trent dilfer and score just enough points to win
 
WaterBomb said:
Why would we try to change your mind from something that is true?

Although the titans aren't exactly the stiffest test. Now all you need is for Flacco to channel his inner trent dilfer and score just enough points to win
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True, the Titans O is trash. But man, not a single second half TD given up all season. 12 points given up total in 6 second halves.

We literally just need Flacco to stay out of the way and do just enough to win us games, basically the opposite of what he did against the Browns.
 
how many times have i heard that tom was a 6th round draft pick throughout my time watching the pats

Also That scambag chiefs DB should be arrested for tackling/interfering with josh gordon and also hurting him on the same play
 
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Pat Mahomes is gonna have alot of awesome stats in his career but the best one is gonna be that Tom Brady gave him his first L
 
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I hate when ppl act like they want the Pats to be bad.

The NFL needs a villain and the Pats consistently provide the NFL's most entertaining games.

I cant even remember the last huge, hyped up primetime/championship game/ superbowl that was good without the Pats.
 
Pretzels said:
I cant even remember the last huge, hyped up primetime/championship game/ superbowl that was good without the Pats.
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There have been plenty of big primetime games that were good without the pats. There have been good championship games without the pats too, mostly in the NFC since the Pats have basically been in every AFC Championship since 2004. The ones they haven't been in, like Ravens-Steelers in 2008, were extremely exciting. I may not agree, but many people also feel the Broncos-Seahawks super bowl was good only because of the epic slaughter delivered by Seattle upon the Broncos' historic offense.

We want the Pats to be bad because there are plenty of other teams who can be just as entertaining. The arrogance of that statement is astounding, even though we've already come to expect it from you.
 
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