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NOC Small Street Game Thread - Ended- TOWN wins!

Texas Cloverleaf said:
Why can't they be tvt?
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It could be, but I feel like it’s more likely that one of them is mafia given how they’ve both reacted. I could also see this debate causing us to miss critical information about other people, since this seems to be the main focus right now. If we don’t lynch one of them in Day 1, then the debate will just continue.
 
I'm ok with a DS lynch since I take issues with using the mewtwo ISO but the rest of his play checks out with his town play in the previous game so I'd rather vote former

Former's stance makes no sense. Sorry my dude your votes are poorly explained and you've been flipping that vote over and over I can't understand from what perspective you're coming from and it just feels like mafia making votes until something sticks.

I'm wondering if hal vs former is more indicative of a TvS thing. This is just a question to anyone they can answer, but is the insistence of the idea that mafia picked a 4th member alignment indicative? Because it just feels weird that they opened their games with that narrative.
 
Former is generally a decent lynch target but definitely shouldn't be today

DS was a solid d1 target from his opening but is ultimately an educated guess of a read

Votes should be on csyager for that aggressively scum-motivated post. This is our d1 wagon

Go.
 
I honestly don't think there's anyway DS is town based off of

-their changed posting style (including vastly increased hesitance to post votes)
-their intentional misreading of posts to further motives
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
Former is generally a decent lynch target but definitely shouldn't be today

DS was a solid d1 target from his opening but is ultimately an educated guess of a read

Votes should be on csyager for that aggressively scum-motivated post. This is our d1 wagon

Go.
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CS is really bad town, not scum imo.
 
I always felt like Former Hope's vote switching was just enjoying messing with people, but then DS. got on his nerves too much.

bluedoom, to explain why I think one of them is a mafia, I see two situations that seem very likely to me:

1.) DS. is mafia and hiding it under her aggressive personality. She is trying to provoke the crowd into feeling like there are only two options, Former Hope or DS., and then convince people to her side. If this is the case, it would be an extremely effective but dangerous strategy. In this case, Former Hope's actions would be mostly out of defense, and his vote switching would be him just enjoying messing around with people.

2.) Former Hope is mafia and hiding it under his enjoyment of messing with people. DS. is trying to provoke the crowd into feeling like there are only two options, Former Hope or DS., and then convince people to her vote. This would make for a very influential voter.

I feel like case 2 is a little more likely, simply due to the quantity of Former Hope's joking actions. He may be trying to play himself off as natural, and thus exaggerates his personality by accident. He becomes defensive against DS. calling him out, but still maintains his joking style.

I may be wrong, but I feel like our best option right now is to lynch one of them.
 
On that note, Texas Cloverleaf and Former, can you explain what looked scummy about that post? I thought the situation itself looked scummy, but you said the post itself looked scum-motivated, and I don't understand. This is my first game, so maybe I've made an error. Can one or both of you explain it to me?
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
Did you read their post
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Yeah. Posts like this don't really lead me to make a call on alignment, they just make me question CS' understanding of the game.

CsYager said:
I always felt like Former Hope's vote switching was just enjoying messing with people, but then DS. got on his nerves too much.

bluedoom, to explain why I think one of them is a mafia, I see two situations that seem very likely to me:

1.) DS. is mafia and hiding it under her aggressive personality. She is trying to provoke the crowd into feeling like there are only two options, Former Hope or DS., and then convince people to her side. If this is the case, it would be an extremely effective but dangerous strategy. In this case, Former Hope's actions would be mostly out of defense, and his vote switching would be him just enjoying messing around with people.

2.) Former Hope is mafia and hiding it under his enjoyment of messing with people. DS. is trying to provoke the crowd into feeling like there are only two options, Former Hope or DS., and then convince people to her vote. This would make for a very influential voter.

I feel like case 2 is a little more likely, simply due to the quantity of Former Hope's joking actions. He may be trying to play himself off as natural, and thus exaggerates his personality by accident. He becomes defensive against DS. calling him out, but still maintains his joking style.

I may be wrong, but I feel like our best option right now is to lynch one of them.
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yeah, that still has the air of overexplaining

but anyways, I guess let me drop some of the more subtle aspects of my play. I don't joke around just for the fun of it, I joke around because it gets people into a different frame of mind when they make posts. Ultimately, my goal is to cause that shift in frame of mind and gain a better understanding of how they are thinking and from what kind of objective their posts are coming from.

My vote switching was largely not messing with people (with some mild exception to hal), it was largely reaction tests and seeing how various people reacted to different votes.

But nah, this is never my scum game.
 
CsYager said:
It seems very likely here that one or the other of Former Hope and DS. are mafia. it seems to me that DS.’s strategy is to create a two-sided situation which every player feels forced to join, so that she can influence people to vote who she wants them to vote. This aggressive strategy could work very well, and it would be a good idea to analyse this debate to see how each party reacts, and who defends who. If DS. is town, then this strategy can also be used by her to see how the subject reacts under pressure. After a careful analysis of this debate, I feel that either party is equally likely to be mafia, but the only logical situations seem to point to one of them being mafia. Therefore, we should lynch one of them today, and if they are town then lynch the other tomorrow.
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Okay I know your new so I'm going to gamesplain to you a bit here. Excuse me if I come off condescending.

You never telegraph lynches. It only helps scum (unless of course you are scum, in which case it makes you obvious).

With that said, saying that was a strategy of mine is just incorrect. I saw something during a back read of the game that I thought was scummy. I never tried to make it out like it's me vs Former and that's that - that's something that you suggested
 
CsYager said:
It seems very likely here that one or the other of Former Hope and DS. are mafia. it seems to me that DS.’s strategy is to create a two-sided situation which every player feels forced to join, so that she can influence people to vote who she wants them to vote. This aggressive strategy could work very well, and it would be a good idea to analyse this debate to see how each party reacts, and who defends who. If DS. is town, then this strategy can also be used by her to see how the subject reacts under pressure. After a careful analysis of this debate, I feel that either party is equally likely to be mafia, but the only logical situations seem to point to one of them being mafia. Therefore, we should lynch one of them today, and if they are town then lynch the other tomorrow.
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1. Creating a dichotomy between players that one must be scum
2. Setting up an if/then scenario to chain lynch the other player
3. Hedging their choice of lynch
4. Empty calories in fluffing the post of the situation


MewtwoHidden I don't understand how you read this as not understanding the game

(CsYager I don't know if this is your first game or not, if it is and you're town please taking nothing personally and use everything that might happen as a learning experience)
 
I'm going to rephrase the question, CsYager earlier you said that given their personalities it is likely to be town vs scum than town vs town.

What about their personalities makes you think that it can't be town vs town?
 
Former Hope said:
I honestly don't think there's anyway DS is town based off of

-their changed posting style (including vastly increased hesitance to post votes)
-their intentional misreading of posts to further motives
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Show me where I have misread a post, because you are the one claiming to have misread the white flag information
 
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