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Format Discussion Pokemon Sun/Moon Random Battle sets
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got mega slowbro without recovery - cm psyshock ice beam scald
gorebyss without shell smash - hp grass ice beam hydro pump sub
cryogonal without recover - toxic hp ground ice beam rapid spin
all moves in order
gorebyss without shell smash - hp grass ice beam hydro pump sub
cryogonal without recover - toxic hp ground ice beam rapid spin
all moves in order
Why does it need hurricane though, Brave Bird is the same BP and Rain Dance is for Hydration.
This isn't really a problem with the sets it's more an inherent downside of random battles where mons that get more than 4 moves to pull from won't always get their best sets. We don't want too many mons to only have 4 moves to fix this because then it would lose some of what makes random battles random.
cryogonal without recover is just bad, it should get recover just like quagsire and gastro
i figured shell smash was permanent on gorebyss and huntail, if that's changed then fine, tho hopefully only for gorebyss since huntail's coverage is abysmal and weak
i view slowbro same as musharna - slow bulky psychic set up mons, and imo they're just terrible if they have 0 recovery, specially mega slowbro (musharna at least has lefties and sometimes moonlight). regular slowbro may be fine with no recovery move if it has lefties, but mega imo needs slack off
It’s hard to make a rule that enforces that. Should Psychic types always have recovery? There’s Mewtwo, Sigilyph, Reuniclus, etc.. that have purely offensive sets you’d be deleting. Same for other types. I recently made it so you always get recovery if you have 2 or more status moves, which was the best I could come up with as a general rule.
if you want to keep it generic, then i guess it's a dead end, but if there's room for special treatment of mons, i'd say mega slowbro, being quite a wall, should always have slack off - a wall that gets a reliable recovery move should always have it imo (just like florges jellicent palossand)
rain dance just for hydration and boosted scald is stupid
why does emboar get fire blast? there's no reason to throw away reckless flare blitz
my castform got a damp rock reeeeeee
I don't think mega slowbro needs recovery as badly as other pokemon do because it has regenerator so it's just basically a 4 attacks slowbro without leftovers
As long as you don't mega-evolve, which isn't ideal all the time
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7randombattle-998697534
On turn 20, MonoWing gets Toxic'd and shows Unaware over Magic Guard. Yet he uses Soft-Boiled, which is illegal with Unaware. There a chance for this to be fixed?
On turn 20, MonoWing gets Toxic'd and shows Unaware over Magic Guard. Yet he uses Soft-Boiled, which is illegal with Unaware. There a chance for this to be fixed?
illegal sets are allowed in rands. before defog immunity gligar existed, defog immunity gligar was in rands. We've got leaf blade shiftry w/o care for its other moves, also. I do not think it will be fixed.
hp grass / hydro pump / scald / ice beam specs suicune
e: also I forget if I commented this before but tangled feet dodrio is objectively bad over early bird
e2: is there ever going to be any nerfing of marshadow? other broken setup mons at least have to roll good their setup move to be broken; marshadow just always breaks everything.
e: also I forget if I commented this before but tangled feet dodrio is objectively bad over early bird
e2: is there ever going to be any nerfing of marshadow? other broken setup mons at least have to roll good their setup move to be broken; marshadow just always breaks everything.
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Can't see the issue here at a glance, looks like standard PP staller gothitelle to me.
yeah that set is intentional and will not be changed
It's not illegal on the ladder to have a mon without any damaging inflicting status / attacking moves?
There's no rule against it, no
Else Randbats Smeargle wouldn't exist in the way it does
Gothca, makes sense. Thanks!
I don't think protect fits well in this set
Shadowdreamie777 that set not only comes with toxic sometimes but protect helps with scald burn dmg/leftovers recovery
Can somebody help me understand the rationale behind including this particular set on Gothitelle?
What puzzles me is that unlike Smeargle, which inflicts major status (sleep), entry hazards and threatens opponents with D Bond, everything this Gothitelle set does can be undone simply by switching out the mon if Gothitelle is switched out. This means the only way to play this set is to literally PP stall the opponent to death, or till they forfeit out of frustration/boredom. This really kills the joy of playing, whether as user or opponent. (I say this as someone who managed to successfully PP stall an Articuno with this set).
Could yall please consider including at least one attacking move? It actually has a pretty usable SpA stat after all.
The point of the set isn't just to pp stall, you can simply use it to get something to -6 in order to go out into a sweeper to get a free turn of set up that you may not normally get. As far as giving it attacking moves it had an attacking set prior to this one and it was very underwhelming even with Calm Mind to help it.
??????? :confusedashell:
was level 90 so i assume it's a meme
It's not a meme. Gen 8 beta just dropped and everything is kind of broke rn as a result
There's a Gengar without moves as well
You should report this and any other bugs you find here: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bug-reports-v3-read-original-post-before-posting.3634749
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