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All of this discussion over the design value of the fossils and I'm just here like "oh cool we finally get fossils that aren't Rock type"

Anyways, something unrelated that I'm surprised hasn't been brought up yet: Seeing as we have a Galarian Meowth and an event Kantonian Meowth, it's safe to say any Pokemon with a Galarian form will also have their base form obtainable. Now the question is if Alolan forms for certain returning Kanto mons will be available.
Oh yeah... The fossils aren't rock types... Probably because the scientists screwed up so baddy.

I'd be annoyed if we couldn't transfer Alolan Meowth and Persian. Wait, if Galarian Meowth evolves into Purrserker then how do you even get Persain in these games? They wouldn't make it so you can't complete the dex without transferring or events, right?
 
Oh yeah... The fossils aren't rock types... Probably because the scientists screwed up so baddy.

I'd be annoyed if we couldn't transfer Alolan Meowth and Persian. Wait, if Galarian Meowth evolves into Purrserker then how do you even get Persain in these games? They wouldn't make it so you can't complete the dex without transferring or events, right?
If I recall correctly, in the Gen 7 games you could get the vanilla versions of Alolan forms by breeding them while holding an Everstone or trading with Tourist NPCs.
 
Persian is gone
Purrserker is new best friend
You're trolling, right? Right! D:
If I recall correctly, in the Gen 7 games you could get the vanilla versions of Alolan forms by breeding them while holding an Everstone or trading with Tourist NPCs.
The everstone only worked if the parent was an original form, so you still needed to transfer first and the trades were Let's Go only, so I'm not sure how good of a point that is. I'm guessing it's a good one considering the alternative.
 
If I recall correctly, in the Gen 7 games you could get the vanilla versions of Alolan forms by breeding them while holding an Everstone or trading with Tourist NPCs.
Just keep in mind Galarian Meowth isn't actually proven to exist yet.

If you need the original form of the Pokemon (whose whole family line is different from the original line, such as Vuplix), you will need to have the original version holding an Everstone and breed with somebody else.
If the Pokemon has the same pre-evolution and a different evolution (if any), in SM you are SOL while in USUM you will have to evolve them in Ultra Space.
 
I still believe, in the future, having a mix of regional variants from different regions together would be pretty cool. K-Vulpix in a meadow, A-Vulpix in a snowy mountain. Corsola encounters can be 30% "healthy" Johto variants, and 70% "dead" Galarian variants.

What, are they going to ditch particular regional variants forever/until the next remake? (maybe...)
 
I still believe, in the future, having a mix of regional variants from different regions together would be pretty cool. K-Vulpix in a meadow, A-Vulpix in a snowy mountain. Corsola encounters can be 30% "healthy" Johto variants, and 70% "dead" Galarian variants.

What, are they going to ditch particular regional variants forever/until the next remake? (maybe...)

They could do it like the let's gos and just have an ingame trade that gives you them.
 
I don’t know why there’s confusion on the fossils- there’s clearly 4 components, that being Fish Top, Electric Top, Dragon Bottom, Chubby Bottom. Fish and Chubby just happen to mesh well

Oh, you're right! Took me a while to realize that Arctovish actually had its head upside down! So there's four fossils with two being heads and two being bottoms. So that means there's four missing fossils which mean there should be 16 combinations:

Fish Complete, Fish/Electric, Fish/Dragon, Fish/Chubby
Electric/Fish, Electric Complete, Electric/Dragon, Electric/Chubby
Dragon/Fish, Dragon/Electric, Dragon Complete, Dragon/Chubby
Chubby/Fish, Chubby/Electric, Chubby/Dragon, Chubby Complete

Geez, maybe they should have kept it simple...

Mostly cause I have actually studied mythology, while japanese mythology is not my speciality I can tell you the difference between, say a Koma inu and a Shisa, and sure you could say "Haterene is basen on tsukumogami" but literally any manmade object could be a tsukumogami and while there are distinct tsukumogami, the only distinct hat tsukumogami is the Torikabuto which is a hat that looks and sings like a bird, Haterene does not look like a bird much less a Torikabuto

so in short, I'm sorta familiar with japanese myths and that sir is not a japanese myth (or is super obscure which is just bad marketing)

To be honest the Hattena family looks to just be based on a witch's hat (which is a pointed hat).

Honestly even if man-made object pokemon don't have deep-lore inspiration, who cares as long as they have good designs?

Yeah I don't get where this "object/mythical Pokemon have deep lore" is coming from. Because, they don't. They're just based on an object or a certain myth, that's all. Both have advantages and disadvantages when it comes to designing them and its up to the designer to create a Pokemon with these traits & limitations. The obvious problem with an object Pokemon is you gotta make a lifeless item into a living creature, however many objects are more than the sum of their parts and outside of the box thinking can give life to the lifeless. Pokemon based on mythical creatures have more of the problem of, since its based on a fictional creature, there's either no example to base on or dozens of interpretation so the designer more so has to dive into what is more written about the general appearance and ability of the creature and form it from there. What may seem like it having deep lore could just be the designer needing to dive deep into the basis of the Pokemon in order to find a creative way to give it form.

Also something that may have been overlooked is there's an interesting precedent broken with the SwSh fossil 'mons: None of them are part Rock-type. Also the Zolt ones are both semi-unique typing: Electric/Dragon was only on Mega Amphy and Electric/Ice is only on Rotom-Frost

Guessing since you're combining two fossils together instead of what you can scrape together from one fossil it's enough genetic material to make a "whole" organic creature. Like previously there was probably missing DNA so the fossil Pokemon we got were probably like 90% complete but needed the inorganic material it make it stable when revived. However what's going on here we're mashing together to parts of a fossil with each probably have over 50% of their organic DNA, thus more than enough organic material to revive a creature that doesn't need the inorganic material to be stable... it's just too bad the resulting creature is an absolute mess.

To me it seems like we're missing 2 parts. The Green T-Rex head and the Yellow lizard's bottom half. I'm hoping these show up in the other version of the game.

Judging by the Types, I think the "chubby blue body" is maybe supposed to be from an arctic creature as any head its matched with becomes part Ice-type. So maybe its supposed to be like a pinniped (seal, sea lion, walrus).

Fish Head: Water-type
Raptor Head: Electric-type
Theropod Body: Dragon-type
Pinniped Body: Ice-type

These Frankenstein ancient Pokemon were never designed to come together in the first place. It's like fitting a T-rex head onto a Triceratops body and vice versa. They are intended to look awfully mismatched together.

I get that but I have another problem with them: How are some of them even alive?

Acrtovish is fine. The head is properly, if upside-down, attached to the body as you expect it to be. Even if the tubes are twisted around each other, it makes sense how it can eat and breathe. Plus the head and body is large enough to leave no innards exposed.
Dracozolt has a MAJOR problem with so much of the Theropod's inside being exposed! It would die from infection hours upon creation.
Arctozolt is confusing because where did the upper body and arms of the Raptor head go? Is it inside the body? Wouldn't that cause complications?
Dracovish shouldn't even be alive! They attached the head to the end of the tail!

I think the main problem with these fossils is that they tried to go "cute" and "silly" with them but went WAY too far. I'm all for adding the wrong dino parts together to make a dino abomination, but can it at least make a little sense? Also with so many potential prehistoric (or just in general extinct) animals you can base a Pokemon design on I feel they wasted a generation doing this. Like I guess the raptor is a unique part, and the fish head looks to be a Dunkleosteus... though I would have preferred just a fossil Pokemon of those animals instead of mismashing them together. Or at the very least if you're going to do this pick the more interesting prehistoric animals to do this with: Triceratops head, Sauropod head, Theropod head, Stegosaurus body, Pterodactyl body, Raptor Body. There, THOSE are the fun dino parts people want to play with!

The fossils are basically what happens when you have the power tonplay god but not the right pieces. They are abominations because irl paleotologists did stuff like this all the time, and if they tried to revive a dinosaur with those parts well...it would look like this.


This is likely based on the history of the Elasmosaurus, when it was first discovered by E.D. Cope and reassembled them as he saw fit, and due to his field of knowledge being lizards, which usually have longer tails than necks, he placed the head at the tip of the tail (the neck is longer). This seems like a homage to that whole debacle.

Neat little reference though I think they took the idea a step too far. If they wanted to show that, somehow, the reviving process restructured the creature so that the tail has become the new neck, the cut body has formed into a rear end, and now it walks around like that would be fine. But that's not what they did. The cut body still looks like a cut body, they might as well have colored that green inner circle white to be the exposed spine bone.
 
Like I don't see why random squirrel pokemon gets the inspiration pass but the second the fictional monster is based on something inanimate it's time to bust out the magnifying glass.


*slaps desk* THANKYOU.

Like, remember when Klefki was revealed? Endless thinkpieces about "IT'S A KEY SO IT SUCKS GF IS OUT OF IDEAS BOYCOTT XY" (even though it was one of the most lore-inspired 'Mons in the gen - classic faeries were particularly known for stealing small things like keys). Embarrassing.
 

May I introduce you to the wonderful revival technology of Galar where things don't come together can somehow still be combined as one as a whole new being without dying from infection or just straight up bleed to death, as long as you have a nice cup of tea

You will still run into issues with horribly mismatched dinosaur parts that are just as nonsensical as the current ones (let's say a Triceratops forebody on that of a veloceraptor) giving birth to literal monsters anyway. Rather than fixating it must be a Dino part a mix of other prehistorical animals doesn't seem to be wrong by any metric
 
You will still run into issues with horribly mismatched dinosaur parts that are just as nonsensical as the current ones (let's say a Triceratops forebody on that of a veloceraptor) giving birth to literal monsters anyway. Rather than fixating it must be a Dino part a mix of other prehistorical animals doesn't seem to be wrong by any metric

Well I was thinking JUST the head on the body with my example. So the body would be a raptor's, but then the head is a triceratops. Or they could maybe try to do a fusion thing where it's the head and body of a triceratops but the legs and tail are more raptor like (maybe teeth too).
 
Neat little reference though I think they took the idea a step too far. If they wanted to show that, somehow, the reviving process restructured the creature so that the tail has become the new neck, the cut body has formed into a rear end, and now it walks around like that would be fine. But that's not what they did. The cut body still looks like a cut body, they might as well have colored that green inner circle white to be the exposed spine bone.

Oh they definitely exaggerated it to hell, these Pokemon shouldn't be able to exist, let alone function as anything resembling a living being, but I chalk it up to Pokeworld magic. The dragon half for example is probably a reference to the Stegosaurus and how it was one of the most butchered dinosaurs in the 19th century by those early paleontologists. Same with Arctovish (specifically it's bottom half) being a reference to early Ichthyosaurus illustrations. The tiny top compared to the heavy bottom of Dracozolt might be another heavily exaggerated reference, this one to the original Brontosaurus, which was just an Apatosaurus whose head was switched with that of another dinosaur but thought to be another species entirely. Again, the differences between the two were small, unlikely to be spotted by your casual museum visitor (which is the reason the mistake remained for 40-something years even when it was well known within the scientific community), but GF might have thought that was too subtle so they raised it up to 11.
 
Oh they definitely exaggerated it to hell, these Pokemon shouldn't be able to exist, let alone function as anything resembling a living being, but I chalk it up to Pokeworld magic.

But this is where we start getting into dangerous territory if we just try to explain everything away with "Pokeworld magic".

In the most recent GameInformer interviews and past interviews (notably ones talking about the design differences between normal Pokemon and Ultra Beasts) the GF staff member (be it Sugimori, Masuda, Ohmori, or Turner) would explain that they have a very strict guideline when it comes to creating a Pokemon and what is and isn't acceptable. In a recent one Turner explained that every detail of the Pokemon must have a purpose and one explaining the differences with Ultra Beasts is that for the UBs they broke some design rules they set for themselves (like how they wouldn't have a normal Pokemon have a liquid glass body like Nihilego has).

These mix-&-match fossil feels like they threw that philosophy out the window. They decided for a sake of a joke to break the rules they normally follow to make whacked out creatures and expect us to suspend our disbelief to accept them. Saying they can exist as they do because of "Pokeworld magic" sounds like a lazy excuse, something they could then start applying elsewhere like the object Pokemon (hey, why is that otherwise ordinary looking car a Pokemon now? "Pokeworld magic!").

Don't let this leaks distract you from the fact that due to leakers drama we've instantly gone from a sea of news to not getting s*** until the game's release.

To be honest, do we need any more info? All the new Pokemon that was suddenly deluged on us we can probably spend the next two weeks talking about.
 
But this is where we start getting into dangerous territory if we just try to explain everything away with "Pokeworld magic".

In the most recent GameInformer interviews and past interviews (notably ones talking about the design differences between normal Pokemon and Ultra Beasts) the GF staff member (be it Sugimori, Masuda, Ohmori, or Turner) would explain that they have a very strict guideline when it comes to creating a Pokemon and what is and isn't acceptable. In a recent one Turner explained that every detail of the Pokemon must have a purpose and one explaining the differences with Ultra Beasts is that for the UBs they broke some design rules they set for themselves (like how they wouldn't have a normal Pokemon have a liquid glass body like Nihilego has).

These mix-&-match fossil feels like they threw that philosophy out the window.

Except it didn't.
The purpose of these make your Pokemon fossils are exactly doing this - breaking the mold of "fossil Pokémons must be armored rock type something ancient animals" in semi-believable ways in terms of Pokemon. It also allows what is essentially fusion of Pokémons into an individual.
Individually, these Pokemon do (or at least should) make perfect sense design wise. It's just that they so happened to be designed as mistakenly put together (in a rather horrid fashion) fossils that came from two completely separate entities, into a living being that doesn't physically come along to complete a historical gag where fossils are often wrongly assembled into what the archaeologists believed to be.
 
To be honest, do we need any more info? All the new Pokemon that was suddenly deluged on us we can probably spend the next two weeks talking about.

Since Generation IV, I've felt nothing about the waiting for a Pokémon game. In fact I've never felt anything when waiting for a game. My hype comes from two exact moments: when the game is announced and then nothing until the game is released or, in Pokémon's case, we start to get the leaks. I love those nights when you reload the pages like a madman and everytime you do it you get to see another picture of a great mon, its typing, leaked abilities, stats, people doing theorymon...

This would've hurt less if we had the Stats and Abilities of the leaked Pokémon but we don't know anything aside from their designs, so it's not even possible for us to put into perspective their potential.
 
To be honest, do we need any more info? All the new Pokemon that was suddenly deluged on us we can probably spend the next two weeks talking about.

Personally, the datamine is always the meat for me, while the Pokemon leaks are the side dish. Sure, the designs get us talking, but the stats, movepools, abilities, and typing are the real substance in the end imo, so that’s the big thing I’m waiting for!

of course, the funny part is that the leaker drama wont change much for that, I imagine those dudes are gonna know how to datamine like say, Kaphotics.
 
Except it didn't.
The purpose of these make your Pokemon fossils are exactly doing this - breaking the mold of "fossil Pokémons must be armored rock type something ancient animals" in semi-believable ways in terms of Pokemon. It also allows what is essentially fusion of Pokémons into an individual.
Individually, these Pokemon do (or at least should) make perfect sense design wise. It's just that they so happened to be designed as mistakenly put together (in a rather horrid fashion) fossils that came from two completely separate entities, into a living being that doesn't physically come along to complete a historical gag where fossils are often wrongly assembled into what the archaeologists believed to be.

... So what you're saying is that they did purposely break their design rules...

As I stated plenty of times already, I get what they were going for. My point is that they didn't do it well. They went too far in the comical direction.

Sure, catches you off guard initially. But what about afterwards? What about after the initial shock value wears off and you're now supposed to take this thing as every other Pokemon?

This would've hurt less if we had the Stats and Abilities of the leaked Pokémon but we don't know anything aside from their designs, so it's not even possible for us to put into perspective their potential.
Personally, the datamine is always the meat for me, while the Pokemon leaks are the side dish. Sure, the designs get us talking, but the stats, movepools, abilities, and typing are the real substance in the end imo, so that’s the big thing I’m waiting for!

Well, just because these leakers are busted doesn't mean we won't get more later. I'd imagine sometime this or next week the physical games will be delivered to the stores and when that happens you just know either a store is going to break street date or a dataminer who "knows a guy" is going to hand them a copy early. So we may yet still get the stats, Abilities, and movepool datamine before the game's release.
 
... So what you're saying is that they did purposely break their design rules...

As I stated plenty of times already, I get what they were going for. My point is that they didn't do it well. They went too far in the comical direction.

Sure, catches you off guard initially. But what about afterwards? What about after the initial shock value wears off and you're now supposed to take this thing as every other Pokemon?

How should one exactly "take" a fictional being differently? Maybe I am as dumb or as numb as a rock, but I seriously see nothing particularly problematic to not see it as (4) Pokémons.
 
Maybe I am as dumb or as numb as a rock, but I seriously see nothing particularly problematic to not see it as (4) Pokémons.

Oh don't be like that.

I'm just saying the Pokemon reminds me of that failed Ripley clone in one of the Alien movies which was just a mound of flesh and begging the successful Ripley clone to kill her. And if that's the imagery you're bringing up, might be worth taking the design back to the drawing board for a few more tries. Make it look less like I put a fish head on the bone part of my anime leg of meat.
 
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