Can you also link me to this meta?
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I wonder what people think of Shiinotic since it seems to be the only Spore user in this gen. Any chance it might have a niche in singles or in VGC now that the tapus are gone?
As for Flygon, idk, there are many Pkm who can wall it like Mandibuzz, Bronzong, Avalugg, Clefable, Quasgire, Hippowdon, etc. It really doesn't look good for it unless GF decides to give it a buff in form of stat boosts, moves, or ability. Well, doesn't this Poison/Electric Pkm have an ability which boosts sounds moves? Well, Trapinch does have a hidden ability, and if I look at Bronzong and Galarian Weezing, why not giving Flygon a little bit variety? It could heal off the recoil with Roost, and if the ability does boost sound moves by 1.5, that wouldn't be bad at all.
Also, it might be a reliable Defogger what's with its unique resistances. If I recall right, it had a small niche in ORAS uber.
As for Flygon, idk, there are many Pkm who can wall it like Mandibuzz, Bronzong, Avalugg, Clefable, Quasgire, Hippowdon, etc. It really doesn't look good for it unless GF decides to give it a buff in form of stat boosts, moves, or ability. Well, doesn't this Poison/Electric Pkm have an ability which boosts sounds moves? Well, Trapinch does have a hidden ability, and if I look at Bronzong and Galarian Weezing, why not giving Flygon a little bit variety? It could heal off the recoil with Roost, and if the ability does boost sound moves by 1.5, that wouldn't be bad at all.
Also, it might be a reliable Defogger what's with its unique resistances. If I recall right, it had a small niche in ORAS uber.
maybe they buffed Flygon’s stats like how they buffed a bunch of Pokémon stats in gen 6.
We really need data mined learnsets and stats before jumping the gun.
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Eh Pangoro doesn't learn Sucker Punch or pursuit. The only priority it could hit with is non-stab iron fist bullet punch but that's not gonna do enough to make it any kind of threatening to pult
I keep forgetting Pangoro doesn't get those.
Yall really getting into dumb hype brain if you think pangoro is becoming relevant.
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inb4 pang gets them as new moves when the game is datamined
Also a bit on topic I've seen a lot of talk of alolans is there any confirmation if they can be transferred up if their base mon is in.
Wondering what's the gimmick with Falink's spread form. If it has any purpose and differs from the normal one.
I'm going to guess Flygon will be UU in usage gen 8. Its going to need more than Breaking Swipe to make an impact in OU. Reserved for more until datamines if we get them.
Flygon's only possible chance in OU is if the meta just works for it. Lots of grounded Steels and physically frail fairy types as well as the majority of Choice Scarfers having 99 base speed or less, and minimal usage of Ice Shard as well as a lot of electric, ground, and fire type spam. But then we're talking about a highly specific meta that we probably won't see in reality.
It... doesn't look good for Flygon but you never know what could happen.
It... doesn't look good for Flygon but you never know what could happen.
I did some calcs for what Obstagoon would need to combat Dragapult, with specific focus on making the case that Phantom Force is not a viable move option on Dragapult.
First things first, Sucker Punch. It is decently likely Obstagoon will get it, but none of this will work if it doesn't.
Next is Pursuit. Again, pretty likely, but if it doesn't Dragapult has the option of switching out of our grasp.
With the moves in place, we start our gameplan: Switch in after seeing Phantom Force charge, take it with our immunity to ghost, then challenge them to a gamble that heavily favors us on the turn afterwards.
First we need the attack power to make our STAB Sucker Punch a OHKO
That can be done with max Attack Adamant if: Our base Atk is 130+, with Life Orb from base Atk 90+, or with Flame Orb + Guts from base Atk 43+
Now we have the first part of the gambit: If Dragapult picks wrong in the 50/50 between Sucker Punch and Pursuit, it's dead.
Second we make the other piece of the gambit: The bulk to tank 1 mistake. So we spec to survive: one +1 Dragon Darts, one Stealth Rock, and one Burn damage.
This can be accomplished with max Def investment if Obstagoon's bases for HP and Def are 105/110 or something equivalent.
There we have it: The benchmark for Obstagoon to turn Phantom Force into a deathtrap for +1 Dragon Danced Dragapult is base stats greater than or equivalent to 105/43/110/xx/xx/xx. A bit frailer and it will need a +Def nature, and any higher stats reduce EV restrictions or increase flexibility.
This set can also switch in on the Dragon Dance, or revenge kill a banded variant, to the same effect.
If Dragapult gets Superpower, then that is a yikes from me.
First things first, Sucker Punch. It is decently likely Obstagoon will get it, but none of this will work if it doesn't.
Next is Pursuit. Again, pretty likely, but if it doesn't Dragapult has the option of switching out of our grasp.
With the moves in place, we start our gameplan: Switch in after seeing Phantom Force charge, take it with our immunity to ghost, then challenge them to a gamble that heavily favors us on the turn afterwards.
First we need the attack power to make our STAB Sucker Punch a OHKO
That can be done with max Attack Adamant if: Our base Atk is 130+, with Life Orb from base Atk 90+, or with Flame Orb + Guts from base Atk 43+
Now we have the first part of the gambit: If Dragapult picks wrong in the 50/50 between Sucker Punch and Pursuit, it's dead.
Second we make the other piece of the gambit: The bulk to tank 1 mistake. So we spec to survive: one +1 Dragon Darts, one Stealth Rock, and one Burn damage.
This can be accomplished with max Def investment if Obstagoon's bases for HP and Def are 105/110 or something equivalent.
There we have it: The benchmark for Obstagoon to turn Phantom Force into a deathtrap for +1 Dragon Danced Dragapult is base stats greater than or equivalent to 105/43/110/xx/xx/xx. A bit frailer and it will need a +Def nature, and any higher stats reduce EV restrictions or increase flexibility.
This set can also switch in on the Dragon Dance, or revenge kill a banded variant, to the same effect.
If Dragapult gets Superpower, then that is a yikes from me.
What's the earliest one might find any of the pseudos? I wanted to use Larvitar and probably Dreepy but if they're both basically Victory Road 'mons (judging by dex order), meh.
Also are there Pokemon exclusive to routes vs Wild Area, and vice versa? How is the Wild Area divided up?
Nice to see so many Ice types that aren't Delibird in the first 100.
Also are there Pokemon exclusive to routes vs Wild Area, and vice versa? How is the Wild Area divided up?
Nice to see so many Ice types that aren't Delibird in the first 100.
Hope Dragapult doesn't use Substitute.
Something to consider here is that Dragapult can easily run SubDragon Dance + Phantom Force + Dragon Darts in its prospective setup set, completely negating the Sucker Punch/Pursuit/Ice Shard mindgames.
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We are going so far as to completely speculate stats we have no hopes of knowing right now to do calcs? Are you really that bored and excited right now, dude?
And realistically I highly doubt obstagoon is going to have anything near 105/110. Look at grimsnarl. Look at it's pre-evos. There is no reasonable evidence to assume it's going to be that bulky.
But if pure fantasy is where our heads are going, sure hope Cursola has at least 110 s.atk!
Yeah, on this note—one of the leakers said Dreepy is catchable in the Wild Area after Gym 3. How much of the Dex is really catchable in the Wild Area vs being obtained in Dex order in other locations?
Interesting. Does the Wild Area contain everything? Is it only weather/etc that affects which Pokemon appear, or are appearance rates linked to say, gym badges or something else. The Wild Area looks bisected, so I wonder if everything in the first half of the map will appear in that first part of the Wild Area (with the second half containing all of the Pokemon in the upper half of the map).
Gonna be a lot to discover come release day still!
Am I the only.one who believes Close Combat might become a TM move? (or the consumable variant)
I mean, Barraskewda learns it and it definitely doesnt look like a level-up move on it
I mean, Barraskewda learns it and it definitely doesnt look like a level-up move on it
Mimikyu and the penguin can be pretty soft check thanks to their abilities, Mimikyu is immune to Dragapault’s signature move too. There’s also Umbreon and Scrafty.
Sub is nice but you leave yourself just completely destroyed by any physically bulky fairy, steel, or even just actual physical walls like Hippowdon.
+1 252 Atk (126 base atk) Dragapult Dragon Darts vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 169-201 (37.1 - 44.2%)
252 Atk Dragapult Phantom Force vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 127-150 (32.2 - 38%)
+1 252 Atk Dragapult Phantom Force vs. 252 HP / 24 Def Ferrothorn: 168-198 (47.7 - 56.2%)
It will need Life Orb to really get the damage output you want. Sub + LO isn't usually very good and you give up coverage like Flamethrower or whatever which it will absolutely need. We also don't know for sure its base attack. I assumed the highest, 126, but it could be much lower.
Edit: I'm blind, it definitely learns PF lol
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