Sword & Shield **Official news only** DLC Crown Tundra 22nd October

S/S had this thing where the games could ruin your SD card if you had one inserted in your Switch (I never really understood it exactly though, and I don't think it affected me either)
That specific issue was actually not with SwSh itself, but with the way the Switch handles save data. Due to the very frequent autosaves of SwSh, it was relatively easy to trigger the format error and corrupt your SD data.
I believe this was patched in a firmware update.
 
I have to say, while most are indeed getting consigned to Generic Raid Battle in the same manner as Ultra Wormholes or Hoopa being a little bastard, I'm glad at least the Regi trio are getting their own unique locations. I've missed the likes of HGSS' Embedded Tower or BW2's Cave of Being and Reversal Mountain among others, and even if it's just for a single set of legends while the vast majority have no fanfare around them; I'm glad to see some sort of return to that.
 
I have to say, while most are indeed getting consigned to Generic Raid Battle in the same manner as Ultra Wormholes or Hoopa being a little bastard, I'm glad at least the Regi trio are getting their own unique locations. I've missed the likes of HGSS' Embedded Tower or BW2's Cave of Being and Reversal Mountain among others, and even if it's just for a single set of legends while the vast majority have no fanfare around them; I'm glad to see some sort of return to that.
Those giant fruit trees also seem associated with the birds so they kind of get their own location too, which is nice.
 
Looking at the mons that were shown in raid dens it seems its mostly the box legends and mons like mewtwo. The regis and galar birda are shown to be static encounters. Id say its like that non box legends will have their own outside area while box legends are in raid dens.
 
Looking at the mons that were shown in raid dens it seems its mostly the box legends and mons like mewtwo. The regis and galar birda are shown to be static encounters. Id say its like that non box legends will have their own outside area while box legends are in raid dens.
We know from the DLC reveal trailer that all the legendary pokemon except for the Regi and Birds (& the new guys, obviously) are in the Dens.
They just showcased the "big" legendaries for this trailer.
 
On a different topic: with the reveals of several old mons being brought back, it's interesting to note that there are at least a couple of types that are within hitting distance of having their full roster being included in Gen 8, at least if we neglect Arceus' forms. I didn't take a thorough look through the types, but just focused on the two rarest types, since those stood the greatest chance of having all of their members report for duty. Notably, the rarest type, Ice, has just 5 lines currently unaccounted for:

MIA ice mons:
  • Castform (Hail form)
  • Sandshrew-A
  • Smoochum
  • Dewgong
  • Crabominable
Of these, Castform seems at greatest risk of not being added back, since it's not usually a wild Pokemon. The others could pretty easily fit in with the Isle of Armor or Crown Tundra, so I wouldn't be surprised if they make it. (Obviously Sandshrew would more likely come back in its Kanto variant, which is still reasonable since we've seen the sandstormy areas).

Ghost is the other type that nearly has all of its representatives in the game already, though the recent news didn't reveal any returning to Isle of Armor or Crown Tundra yet, aside from Giratina. With that, Ghost is missing just 8 lines:

MIA Ghost mons:
  • Misdreavus
  • Shuppet
  • Spiritomb
  • Oricorio
  • Sandygast
  • Marowak-A
  • Hoopa
  • Blacephalon
The biggest barrier to all of these returning might be Hoopa and Blacephalon. Not clear we'll get all mythicals returned to the game, nor any sign so far of Ultra Beasts hiding in the Tundra's dynamax dens. Oricorio might also be iffy. Otherwise, with a cemetery and other ruins on the Crown Tundra it's definitely possible that we could see Misdreavus, Shuppet show up there, as well as possibly Spiritomb, though it could also be a Dynamax adventure exclusive as a nod to its Sinnoh underground origins. Sandygast and Marowak-K could show up on the Isle of Armor.

Other than these two, I didn't really look through the other types, though there is the honorable mention of Dragon. Technically, Dragon is about as close as ice to having the smallest number of lines that need to be brought back to have all of its members represented, but only by virtue of the fact that several dragon types are currently not expected to return at all due to the cutting of Megas:

MIA Dragon lines:
  • Dratini
  • Bagon
  • Tyrunt
  • Guzzlord
  • Naganadel

Dragon megas/ultras (possibly unlikely to return this gen):
  • Charizard-X
  • Ampharos
  • Sceptile
  • Necrozma

It'll be interesting to see if any of the types actually end up with all known species available in SwSh+IoA+CT. This all of course assumes the possibility that not all mons will be ultimately added back, as we've only been promised 200 between expansions.
 

Okay, so let's say Urshifu Rapid Strike uses Surging Strikes against an opponent with the Storm Drain Ability. According to Unseen Fist's description, since Surging Strikes does direct contact, shouldn't that mean at the very least Surging Strikes should do damage even if the other effects of Storm Drain still activates (redirecting the move & increasing Special Attack)? On a similar note, instead of the target being a Pokemon with Storm Drain what if it was holding an Absorb Bulb? Should it also ignore the damage blocking effect? The language is vague and I only take them mentioning Protect as an example not the only thing it bypasses. Because here's another scenario, what if Psychic Terrain is up and Urshifu uses Mach Punch?

Shuckle is in the Galar Dex already. :pikuh:

Oh, well, guess that means it isn't a Galarian Shuckle... UNLESS it is and they say only in the Crowned Tundra would you find it. Yes, probably not the case, but hey it is an option.

Well, tecnically with SwSh you can get a 2nd Type Null for free (after the gen 7 one) so at least for that one you were sorted

Unless you also evolved that one before HOME's Magearna giveaway was discovered.
 
Okay, so let's say Urshifu Rapid Strike uses Surging Strikes against an opponent with the Storm Drain Ability. According to Unseen Fist's description, since Surging Strikes does direct contact, shouldn't that mean at the very least Surging Strikes should do damage even if the other effects of Storm Drain still activates (redirecting the move & increasing Special Attack)? On a similar note, instead of the target being a Pokemon with Storm Drain what if it was holding an Absorb Bulb? Should it also ignore the damage blocking effect? The language is vague and I only take them mentioning Protect as an example not the only thing it bypasses. Because here's another scenario, what if Psychic Terrain is up and Urshifu uses Mach Punch?
All of your examples are things like abilities or items.
It goes out of its way to mention moves like Protect. Which goes alongside the G-Max versions of these moves ignoring Max Guard & Protect
G-Max One Blow and G-Max Rapid Flow can deal damage even if a target defends itself by using moves like Max Guard or Protect.

This what they're underlining. There is no indication they (the ability or the moves) also have innate mold breaker (& I guess item ignoring stuff) otherwise I feel they would have mentioned it.
 
Okay, so let's say Urshifu Rapid Strike uses Surging Strikes against an opponent with the Storm Drain Ability. According to Unseen Fist's description, since Surging Strikes does direct contact, shouldn't that mean at the very least Surging Strikes should do damage even if the other effects of Storm Drain still activates (redirecting the move & increasing Special Attack)?

Where are you getting the idea from that Unseen Fist has been stated to deal damage no matter what? By my understanding the website is the first place its effect has been confirmed, and the description there is not ambiguous in any way. "Ignores Protect" is a well-defined effect in the game already (Phantom/Shadow Force, Feint, Hyperspace Hole/Fury) that does not do what you're suggesting Unseen Fist ought to.
 
Where are you getting the idea from that Unseen Fist has been stated to deal damage no matter what? By my understanding the website is the first place its effect has been confirmed, and the description there is not ambiguous in any way. "Ignores Protect" is a well-defined effect in the game already (Phantom/Shadow Force, Feint, Hyperspace Hole/Fury) that does not do what you're suggesting Unseen Fist ought to.
The user vanishes somewhere, then strikes the target on the next turn. This move hits even if the target protects itself.
Yeah the way the site states the move's capabilities is probably literally its in-game description, it lines up with how something like Phantom Force is described.
 
The language is vague and I only take them mentioning Protect as an example not the only thing it bypasses.
Okay, I think I see the problem...

I'm about to talk about grammar - specifically, I'm about to refer to something on the official site that I consider to be nonstandard - so important disclaimer:
There is no "right" or "wrong" in language - it's really just a matter of
what people say and what people don't say, and being "correct" only matters to the extent that one is understood. When enough people start doing something nonstandard that it becomes widely understood, it just becomes the new norm - languages change all the time, and there's no way to stop that as long as the language is actually being spoken, so I don't agree with calling someone "wrong" for using nonstandard language. For that matter, even concurrently, different groups of people will always have somewhat divergent ideas of how to speak a language.
Grammar is useful because it gives us
consistency when interpreting language - it keeps us all on the same page and helps us to understand each other - but that doesn't mean someone is wrong and needs to be stopped and corrected if their use doesn't conform to the rules of your dialect of English. You just... might sometimes need to ask for clarification when something like this actually inhibits your interpretation of the sentence.
With that said, in this case, I'm making what will doubtless look like a stupidly minor nitpick about a single comma and describing a "rule" that some people may not follow, and I just want to emphasize that this is an attempt to illuminate the meaning of the sentence that will make it more easily understood, not an attempt to call it incorrect or to criticize the writing.


ANYWAY
The thing about the quote is that - as far as I know - a comma isn't really expected here:
"This Ability lets the Pokémon deal damage when it attacks with moves that make direct >>> contact, even <<< if the target defends itself by using moves like Protect."
I think this comma is probably what has you confused, because it makes the rest of the sentence look nonessential. It's making you think that you can read the sentence without it and still have the basic meaning. Here are examples of sentences with commas used in this way:

"If you speak, even quietly, they'll hear you."​
"Everyone was surprised, even me."​
"It was really fun, other than the time when I fell." (Compare: "I didn't have any symptoms other than coughing." In this case, "other than coughing" is crucial to the meaning of the sentence, so there is no comma.)
"We don't know anything about Cosmog, not that we'd tell you!"​

The thing that all of those examples have in common, though, is that none of their "nonessential" components are entire subordinate clauses. The last one is particularly telling: the word "that" is used to transform a clause into a noun phrase so that it can be fit into the structure and remain nonessential.
With that in mind, if what followed the comma in the example quote were anything other than a complete subordinate clause, I would be inclined to agree with you that it's just an example, not the entire purpose of the Ability.

Admittedly, I don't know if there's an actual rule about this, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't ever treat a subordinate clause as nonessential. You can't really say "it's not essential to the meaning of the clause" - it is the clause, and it can't exist without itself. In fact, there's a totally different reason to use a comma before a subordinate clause: a case when it can change the meaning of the sentence, as is sometimes the case with "because."
I'm not really sure how the comma was supposed to help or what it was meant to clarify in this specific case, and I would still consider it nonstandard, personally - but generally speaking, using a comma before a subordinate clause does not mean that the sentence isn't a complex sentence, and it means something totally different from labeling it nonessential.

Anyway, in the case of this sentence, what was separated with the comma is a complete subordinate clause, meaning that if you get rid of the subordinating "even if," you have another complete sentence: "The target defends itself by using moves like Protect."
That means this is a complex sentence. Grammatically, both clauses are necessary components of the sentence; the subordinating conjunction "even if" is there to clarify their relationship, and that, too, informs the meaning of the sentence as a whole.
If I were the one writing the sentence, I would not likely have separated these two clauses with a comma. When combining two clauses with coordinating conjunctions (for/and/nor/but/or/yet/so), one will almost always put a comma before the conjunction, but with subordinating conjunctions (including this "even if"), a comma is usually used only if the subordinate clause is first, not if it comes after the main clause. (That said, there are exceptions to both of these.)
Accordingly, you might find it easier to interpret the sentence without the comma, like so:
"This Ability lets the Pokémon deal damage when it attacks with moves that make direct contact even if the target defends itself by using moves like Protect."
Now that the comma is gone, it should no longer be possible to interpret the clause as nonessential; you can see clearly that it's integral to the meaning of the sentence.
(That said, it also looks pretty weird for the sentence to have two consecutive subordinate clauses. It's not necessarily wrong, but it's quite rare; that's probably why the writer thought something was missing and wanted to add a comma, but I don't think it helped.)
For reference, the descriptions of Feint and Phantom Force are structured very similarly, but they don't have a comma in the same place, and their meaning is much clearer as a result.

Here's something that might make the meaning slightly more obvious, though!
When you're working with complex sentences in English, you can reorder the clauses without changing the meaning at all. (For reference, if the subordinate clause comes before the main clause, the clauses are traditionally separated by a comma.) Let's try doing that with this sentence! This sentence has three clauses:
Main clause: "This Ability lets the Pokémon deal damage."​
Subordinate clause: "when it attacks with moves that make direct contact" ("It attacks with moves that make direct contact." is a complete sentence, so you can tell that this is a subordinate clause. "When" is being used as a subordinating conjunction, which is why this can't stand on its own anyway.)
Subordinate clause: "even if the target defends itself by using moves like Protect" ("The target defends itself by using moves like Protect." is also a complete sentence, so it's the same thing here.)

I think it might be easier to parse the sentence if their order was something like this:
"Even if the target defends itself by using moves like Protect, this Ability lets the Pokémon deal damage when it attacks with moves that make direct contact."
You could also try something like this:
"When it attacks with moves that make direct contact, this Ability lets the Pokémon deal damage even if the target defends itself by using moves like Protect."
Crucially, all of these variations are the same sentence! Absolutely nothing about the meaning should change when you reorder a complex sentence in this way - it's just a matter of which version conveys that meaning the most clearly.
(These... uh... sure look pretty long, don't they? I'm not really sure why the description had to be worded this way in the first place. I'm starting to see why it was so confusing to interpret!)

I hope that helps a bit, though!
Comma or no comma, this sentence was probably not the clearest way to express the function of the Ability, and the punctuation making an important clause look nonessential to you certainly can't have made it any easier to interpret.
Still, I'm fully confident that this was the writer's intention; just recognizing that they were trying to compose a complex sentence makes it easier to see how the pieces fit together, and maaaybe this will also give some more insight on how complex sentences are structured in general and how to avoid ambiguity like this in the future?
(This also might not have made any sense at all, haha. If that's the case, that's okay because it will probably never be relevant again anyway! XP)

EDIT: someone privately made the very good point that the amount of tiny text in this post made it difficult to read, so I've done my best to make the formatting more approachable! I'm generally more used to browsing Smogon on mobile, so I hadn't considered how much of an issue the font size changes could be for someone who can't zoom as easily - I'll try to be more mindful of that in the future and not rely so much on that!
 
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Okay, I think I see the problem...
I'm about to talk about grammar - specifically, I'm about to refer to something on the official site that I consider to be nonstandard - so important disclaimer:
There is no "right" or "wrong" in language - it's really just a matter of what people say and what people don't say, and being "correct" only matters to the extent that one is understood. When enough people start doing something nonstandard that it becomes widely understood, it just becomes the new norm - languages change all the time, and there's no way to stop that as long as the language is actually being spoken, so I don't agree with calling someone "wrong" for using nonstandard language. For that matter, even concurrently, different groups of people will always have somewhat divergent ideas of how to speak a language.
Grammar is useful because it gives us consistency when interpreting language - it keeps us all on the same page and helps us to understand each other - but that doesn't mean someone is wrong and needs to be stopped and corrected if their use doesn't conform to the rules of your dialect of English. You just... might sometimes need to ask for clarification when something like this actually inhibits your interpretation of the sentence.
With that said, in this case, I'm making what will doubtless look like a stupidly minor nitpick about a single comma and describing a "rule" that some people may not follow, and I just want to emphasize that this is an attempt to illuminate the meaning of the sentence that will make it more easily understood, not an attempt to call it incorrect or to criticize the writing.


ANYWAY
The thing about the quote is that - as far as I know - a comma isn't really expected here:
"This Ability lets the Pokémon deal damage when it attacks with moves that make direct >>> contact, even <<< if the target defends itself by using moves like Protect."
I think this comma is probably what has you confused, because it makes the rest of the sentence look nonessential. It's making you think that you can read the sentence without it and still have the basic meaning. Here are examples of
"If you speak, even quietly, they'll hear you."​
"Everyone was surprised, even me."​
"It was really fun, other than the time when I fell." (compare: "I didn't have any symptoms other than coughing." In this case, "other than coughing" is crucial to the meaning of the sentence, so there is no comma.)
"We don't know anything about Cosmog, not that we'd tell you!"​

The thing that all of those examples have in common, though, is that none of their "nonessential" components are entire subordinate clauses. The last one is particularly telling: the word "that" is used to transform a clause into a noun phrase so that it can be fit into the structure and remain nonessential.
With that in mind, if what followed the comma in the example quote were anything other than a complete subordinate clause, I would be inclined to agree with you that it's just an example, not the entire purpose of the Ability.

Admittedly, I don't know if there's an actual rule about this, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't ever treat a subordinate clause as nonessential. You can't really say "it's not essential to the meaning of the clause" - it is the clause, and it can't exist without itself. In fact, there's a totally different reason to use a comma before a subordinate clause: a case when it can change the meaning of the sentence, as is sometimes the case with "because."
I'm not really sure how the comma was supposed to help or what it was meant to clarify in this specific case, and I would still consider it nonstandard, personally - but generally speaking, using a comma before a subordinate clause does not mean that the sentence isn't a complex sentence, and it means something totally different from labeling it nonessential.

Anyway, in the case of this sentence, what was separated with the comma is a complete subordinate clause (meaning that if you get rid of the subordinating "even if," you have another complete sentence: "The target defends itself by using moves like Protect."), and that means this is a complex sentence. Grammatically, both clauses are necessary components of the sentence; the subordinating conjunction "even if" is there to clarify their relationship, and that, too, informs the meaning of the sentence as a whole.
If I were the one writing the sentence, I would not likely have separated these two clauses with a comma. When combining two clauses with coordinating conjunctions (for/and/nor/but/or/yet/so), one will almost always put a comma before the conjunction, but with subordinating conjunctions (including this "even if"), a comma is usually used only if the subordinate clause is first, not if it comes after the main clause. That said, there are exceptions to both of these.
Accordingly, you might find it easier to interpret the sentence without the comma, like so:
"This Ability lets the Pokémon deal damage when it attacks with moves that make direct contact even if the target defends itself by using moves like Protect."
Now that the comma is gone, it should no longer be possible to interpret the clause as nonessential; you can see clearly that it's integral to the meaning of the sentence. That said, it also looks pretty weird for the sentence to have two consecutive subordinate clauses. It's not necessarily wrong, but it's quite rare; that's probably why the writer thought something was missing and wanted to add a comma, but I don't think it helped.
For reference, the descriptions of Feint and Phantom Force are structured very similarly, but they don't have a comma in the same place, and their meaning is much clearer as a result.

Here's something that might make the meaning slightly more obvious, though!
When you're working with complex sentences in English, you can reorder the clauses without changing the meaning at all. For reference, if the subordinate clause comes before the main clause, the clauses are traditionally separated by a comma. Let's try doing that with this sentence! This sentence has three clauses:
Main clause: "This Ability lets the Pokémon deal damage."​
Subordinate clause: "when it attacks with moves that make direct contact" ("It attacks with moves that make direct contact." is a complete sentence, so you can tell that this is a subordinate clause. "When" is being used as a subordinating conjunction, which is why this can't stand on its own anyway.)
Subordinate clause: "even if the target defends itself by using moves like Protect" ("The target defends itself by using moves like Protect." is also a complete sentence, so it's the same thing here.)

I think it might be easier to parse the sentence if their order was something like this:
"Even if the target defends itself by using moves like Protect, this Ability lets the Pokémon deal damage when it attacks with moves that make direct contact."
You could also try something like this:
"When it attacks with moves that make direct contact, this Ability lets the Pokémon deal damage even if the target defends itself by using moves like Protect."
Crucially, all of these variations are the same sentence! Absolutely nothing about the meaning should change when you reorder a complex sentence in this way - it's just a matter of which version conveys that meaning the most clearly.
These... uh... sure look pretty long, don't they? I'm not really sure why the description had to be worded this way in the first place. I'm starting to see why it was so confusing to interpret!

I hope that helps a bit, though!
Comma or no comma, this sentence was probably not the clearest way to express the function of the Ability, and the punctuation making an important clause look nonessential to you certainly can't have made it any easier to interpret.
Still, I'm fully confident that this was the writer's intention; just recognizing that they were trying to compose a complex sentence makes it easier to see how the pieces fit together, and maaaybe this will also give some more insight on how complex sentences are structured in general and how to avoid ambiguity like this in the future?
This also might not have made any sense at all, haha. If that's the case, that's okay because it will probably never be relevant again anyway! XP
Have you ever been browsing a Pokemon forum when suddenly you're reading the script of a Tom Scott video?

I love moments like those.
 
The only thing that could be considered ambiguous about Unseen Fist's description is whether it ignores the protection effect itself, or the entirety of the protection move.

Say, if a Pokémon with Unseen Fist uses Knock Off on a Pokémon that uses King's Shield, the website description says it will deal damage, but... would it also get the Attack reduction?

(I assume not, but it's not stated anyways)
 
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I think you hit the problem I was having with that sentence right on it's head! Yeah, that comma is awkwardly place. It makes the part about it avoiding protect sound like an example given not that's the only effect it was ignoring. Feel like a better sentence would be something like:

"This Ability lets the Pokémon ignore the effects of moves like Protect when it attacks with moves that make direct contact"

That sounds more definite. "This Ability lets the Pokémon deal damage when it attacks with moves that make direct contact" makes it sound like, at least to me, that no matter what this Ability assures moves that make contact does damage. Heck, if I were to nitpick "when it attacks with moves that make direct contact" could be shortened to "with attacks that make direct contact" since only moves that do damage track whether they make contact or not (which is a bit odd as there's a few Status Moves which flavor text suggest they also make direct contact, maybe since they're not hitting the target hard it doesn't count?).
 
So possibly we will see Amoonguss. If true, I think we would be up to 56 confirmed Pokemon?

Technically they claim over 100, which could be 101, 110, or 150, or something else entirely. I'm leaning more towards just a bit over 100.
 
Amoongus....the devil of VGC...

Damn, this meta is gonna be flipped on its head.
Ehhh I wouldn't be so sure. Max Airstream is a menace in VGC, and amoonguss doesn't exactly love that attack.
Also there's already several attack and abilities that allow to ignore redirection (which hasn't stopped togekiss from being dominant, but togekiss also happens to be a strong dynamaxer himself)
 
OK, I more or less just got into competitive Pokemon this generation.

What's the deal with Amoongus?
It's the best redirectors in VGC due to Rage Powder. The combination of solid bulk, good typing (which also happens to resist fairy, one of the most common types in VGC in last 2 gens), access to Spore to deter Trick Room, reliable recovery via GigaDrain and Regenerator allowing it to actually swap out and in several times during a match made it tough to deal with for certain teams.

I was making a case above though that with how prominent the use of Max Airstream coverage in this generation, as well as the insane usage of Togekiss which is a tough beast to deal with for Amoonguss, combined with several abilities and attacks that ignore redirection, might not make it as obnoxious in gen 8.
 
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