Now Game Freak gets to use returning mons as marketing pieces for DLC.
Exactly, and with the possibility of gen 4 remakes, they are also introducing even more pokemon there that don't exist at the moment.
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Exactly, and with the possibility of gen 4 remakes, they are also introducing even more pokemon there that don't exist at the moment.
HGSS was also based on Gold and Silver mainly, and not Crystal. (They even replaced Kris (whose name and appearance are clearly based off of Crystal and its color scheme) with a new girl protagonist in HGSS).
Remakes in general base themselves primarily on the original paired release and not the third version. The main third version integration that they put in is incorporating story elements from the third version as side quests or post-game, for example, the Eusine and Suicune quest being integrated but going into the post-game in HGSS, and ORAS having the whole Delta Episode around Rayquaza post-game (plus getting to battle Wallace with his Emerald team).
The only time a third version ever got full on remade was Yellow being remade with Let's Go.
I expect when they do Sinnoh remakes that it'll be primarily based on DP with story elements from Platinum as a post-game quest. My main apprehension though is the Pokedex: Platinum was the first time they implemented an expanded regional dex so they better incorporate that at least (this wasn't an issue in HGSS and ORAS because Crystal and Emerald didn't expand the regional dexes at all).
I'm annoyed the text prompts hurts the chances of using longer and better anims regardless. Been like that since Gen 3
They adapted all elements from Crystal tho.
The current attack animations aren't bad, and using the structure that PBR uses (Run, generic attack animation + effect) we'd be good.
The problems are the Idle, Damaged and Sleep animations.
A lot of good animations are wasting away in Amie/Camp. Just implementing them + a proper camera and scaling would do wonders for the game.
Well Crystal didn't have many differences from Gold and Silver.
- Pokemon sprites were animated for the first time. (obviously this would be in remakes since it was a 4th gen staple at this point)
- The first ever gender selection and female player trainer. (again, same point)
- New plot elements using Suicune and the Legendary Beasts was integrated into the story. (very small change, not enough to call it an "element")
- Bonus content in the form of the Battle Tower and extra unlockable chambers in the Ruins of Alph. (Battle facilities have been a staple since Crystal so not including would be more abnormal than includding it. the RoA thing is a very small change)
- Certain tilesets being updated. (For example, Burned Tower looks like a small building in GS, while in Crystal it clearly looks like a burned building.) (obviously this doesn't apply)
- The very first in-game event item, the GS Ball which unlocked an encounter with Celebi. (And while this wouldn't apply to international cart copies of Crystal since the method to obtain it was scrapped, it was put back in for the Virtual Console release.) (Granted, HGSS had this, but it was still an event-only thing)
Yeah, but all of them got in.
It's also no coincidence that HGSS is the best received remake.
HGSS didn't fix much though. Then you have Gen 4 slownessYeah, but all of them got in.
It's also no coincidence that HGSS is the best received remake.
Johto mons are still repped poorly, balancing is still horrid. The mom doesn't even buy rare TMs anymore
Sprites also seemed rushed compared to DPP. A lot are more flatly shaded. And compared to Crystal, 2 frames are still inferior to fully animated redrawn frames
Honestly it's only "the best" due to "muh 2 regions", and the follower mons, adding Frontier and the phys split
While I think HGSS is overrated, I also think it's not getting praise in the areas it absolutely deserves to be praised.
For instance, the interface. It is easily one of the best in the entire series (possibly the best alongside the Gen VII games), and it makes really good use of the touch screen. The Pokédex interface in particular is my favourite in the series.
For instance, the interface. It is easily one of the best in the entire series (possibly the best alongside the Gen VII games), and it makes really good use of the touch screen. The Pokédex interface in particular is my favourite in the series.
Do agree for how well the touchscreen was utilized. It was probably the biggest loss Gen 8 had to be honest
Kinda don't like how the Pokedex looks like the DS Lite menu though. Feels too sterile despite functionality
It is entirely coincidental. Crystal's changes don't matter (as mentioned, they were largely graphical upgrades that aren't relevant for a remake where that is a given), HGSS is well-received because it added a lot of new content and it looks really nice.Yeah, but all of them got in.
It's also no coincidence that HGSS is the best received remake.
I recently watched Tamashii's 'review?' of FireRed and LeafGreen which reminded me of the things that really bothered me about that remake.
The thing I like about Pokemon remakes, even if they were just copy paste of games we played, they use the, at the time, current generation engine giving the gameplay some new twists.
Not to mention, I like the addition of the islands which feel like a nice homage to the orange island arc which should totally get adapted into a future remake (pls no more Kanto, I was joking.)
But it's really horrifying that even if you beat the main game, you still have to play a boring fetch quest to get access to other gen Pokemon per trade.
Like I said once, I don't like the main story of Pokemon unless it's just to experiment with the new Pokemon. I want to use the tools given to start playing competitively and prepare my teams for it. And since the post-game stuff is optional, I feel from time to time more willing to explore areas when I am not forced by the game.
So gym battles, beating evil team and fighting a boring cover Pokemon, to wreak the elite 4 which I will forget the members off once I discover an easier methode to grind feels like paper work than actually an enjoyable experience, especially since it's so boring.
Now imagine how it feels to having to beat the stuff I would hope to be optional. Just glad they didn't do anything like that ever again... except in DDPt forcing you to see all the Pokedex Pokemon before you can transfer stuff from the old gen... like really?
Probably one of the reasons I can always enjoy Gen 1 and 2 despite their flaws. I don't need to beat the entire game to prepare myself to make a competitive team and can trade over Pokemon between the gens without being forced to beat the elite 4.
But B2W2 are still my favorite games.
The thing I like about Pokemon remakes, even if they were just copy paste of games we played, they use the, at the time, current generation engine giving the gameplay some new twists.
Not to mention, I like the addition of the islands which feel like a nice homage to the orange island arc which should totally get adapted into a future remake (pls no more Kanto, I was joking.)
But it's really horrifying that even if you beat the main game, you still have to play a boring fetch quest to get access to other gen Pokemon per trade.
Like I said once, I don't like the main story of Pokemon unless it's just to experiment with the new Pokemon. I want to use the tools given to start playing competitively and prepare my teams for it. And since the post-game stuff is optional, I feel from time to time more willing to explore areas when I am not forced by the game.
So gym battles, beating evil team and fighting a boring cover Pokemon, to wreak the elite 4 which I will forget the members off once I discover an easier methode to grind feels like paper work than actually an enjoyable experience, especially since it's so boring.
Now imagine how it feels to having to beat the stuff I would hope to be optional. Just glad they didn't do anything like that ever again... except in DDPt forcing you to see all the Pokedex Pokemon before you can transfer stuff from the old gen... like really?
Probably one of the reasons I can always enjoy Gen 1 and 2 despite their flaws. I don't need to beat the entire game to prepare myself to make a competitive team and can trade over Pokemon between the gens without being forced to beat the elite 4.
But B2W2 are still my favorite games.
The mom bought rare TMs? When?
Agree that HGSS is overrated though. I can go on for days about why it is, and I consider it a GOOD game.
1. It's way too fanservicey. It seems as if it was made just to pleasure fans, not to actually revolutionize the games and/or tell interesting stories. Have Pokemon follow you, fight all the Gym Leaders again, get all the legendaries, get all the starters, etc...
2. The price is definitely unjustified ($69 is a travesty). That alone makes it overrated - IIRC the high price is a response to the high demand for this game relative to other games - in a way few other games can claim to be.
3. It doesn't fix the messed up level curve that made GSC annoying at times. It made Kanto's trainers stronger than your team when they were weaker, instead of just putting them on the same level, and it did nothing to fix the low levels of wild Pokemon there. Even the added routes and Safari Zone in Johto only fix so much (they do admittedly fix the lack of access to Johto mons and promote versatility, which is definitely good).
4. The barebones story wasn't too bad for a GBC game, but for some reason it's just not really good enough for HGSS. They really should have done more with the story, such as giving Team Rocket the ability to drive Pokemon berserk and capture a legendary Pokemon with radio signals. It was already foreshadowed or implied to be possible in GBC and having TR be much more dangerous in these games would be a dope twist.
5. HGSS kinda lacks this aura of mystery and wonder that GSC had that made traveling Johto so fun.
B1W1 and HGSS are basically reverses of each other. The former was too ''radical'' with its changes (darker tone? actually serious issues in Pokemon? completely new Pokemon and nothing but until the end or maybe Dream World?) and the latter too ''safe'', so to speak (everything I said before). Granted, HGSS really is a lot better at least IMHO but there should be a proper balance between ambition and comfort. B2W2 likely handles this balance a lot better, bringing back many old favorites and having a story that's dark and complex in its own right from what I see and know but not overdoing it. SM and USUM also more or less maintained the balance well. Even the original GSC - arguably the best games ever in Pokemon - maintained this balance really well even in spite of flaws.
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Inb4 in the inevitable gen 4 remake we have Palmer saying after you beat him: "y know I was thinking of searching for other 4 guys and build something great in the future lol". Or Charon just doing nothing (which would be th exact same as his role in Platinum
).I like ORAS as well, it's a 'give and take' case with Emerald. The extra lore, the dexnav, Sea Mauville, the more distinctive Aqua and Magma, etc. And I can believe that something so basic as having the option of turning off the exp share would be a plus someday but here we are I guess...
Nah, the hype for the gen 3 remake at the time really outshined the need of 'Z'. I would prefer the Hoenn remake too since there are flimsy areas in RSE that needed some refinement. Not the case anymore with Gen 4, Platinum aged pretty well imo.
Now, the question would be: Would they update and program the missing mons in SwSh when the inevitable gen 4 remake drops, or would they leave SwSh with no update like they did with XY and the missing Megas?
I'd hope that they choose to update it, because if they don't I would have to call that a bad idea.
That wasn't a hard task to do though, considering you're guaranteed to see almost every Pokemon in the regional dex at least once throughout the adventure in that game if you do every Trainer Battle out there. The only mons you had to go out of your way for were Unown and the non-mascot cover legendary, the former of which was a wild encounter in one very elusive area and the latter they give you a seen dex entry for.
What I was mainly thinking of is that aside from what everyone else has said, HGSS's Pokemon availability and encounter tables were GS's encounter tables and not Crystal's. Sneasel for example was available in the Ice Path in Crystal, but in HGSS it's back to only being available in Mt. Silver. Hoppip, Teddiursa, and Phanpy were also made available earlier in Crystal but not in HGSS.
Of course, it also went back to making Ho-oh/Lugia available before the E4, and in a way also pushed you to go to their dungeon and battle them by turning their encounter into a mini-quest with the Kimono Girls, instead of Crystal pushing you to go face Suicune at the Tin Tower with a group of Sages testing you. So it's primarily GS-based in that sense, with a loose integration of Crystal's story into it (aka Eusine being in the game).
I would imagine they will be patched into Sword and Shield, but will not have Pokedex entries. They're clearly open to patching Pokemon into a game nowadays, and even without the DLC you can still use the DLC-added Pokemon if you update the game with the most recent patch. So I imagine they will at least try to ensure that you can legally use and have the Pokemon that are added in the Sinnoh remakes, but they will be treated as non-Galar native Pokemon without a dex entry like many of the Dynamax Adventure Pokemon are.
Yeah, we can buy tokens, use them to play the mini-games, get tickets, and redeem the tickets for prizes. You know, kid-friendly, parent-approved gambling!
Here ya go. Even links to a beta board where you can adjust the size.
While they certainly can make new ones, I also thought they could maybe reuse the E-Reader mini-games, Pokemon Mini, WiFi Plaza mini-games, and maybe other of the many spin-off games they've made over the years. Heck, maybe throw in Pokemon versions of GF's other older games like Quinty, Smart Ball, Yoshi's Egg, Drill Dozer, HarmoKnight, etc..
But, it'd be very possible for the whole Battle Zone post-game to be converted into DLC.
We don't have 3rd versions anymore and thanks to SwSh's DLC success, we likely won't go back to that fleecing again.
This is good. It gives the Frontier time to be polished and done properly. Maybe even expanded.
But of course, there's the question of "will people pay for it?"
There are a lot of people who will cling to the whole "B-But the Frontier was in Platinum's base game! On the DS!" Like a bunch of whiny idiots that hardly understand how the world works and want everything free on a silver platter.
But if people really want the Frontier to be a staple and return, prepare for it to be DLC and put your money where your mouth is. Buy the Frontier DLC.
I don't think that people buying it would be a problem as long as they also include the Battle Zone which casual players can explore (and maybe throw in a casual mode in the Battle Facility to help ease new players into it (obviously they won't earn any Symbols/Prints but reward them with BP to start helping them get to that point quicker)). Heck, they could even have a story/stories about it's opening and problems that are occurring around it that the player needs to help resolve before the Facilities can fully be opened to the public. That would probably get GF interested in doing it if they can make a multi-part story side-quest out of it. And of course throw in getting some Legendary Pokemon (new and old) and having wild locations (if not Wild Areas) you can catch Pokemon outside of the regional dex.
AKA do what they did with the DLCs but instead of a dojo and frozen village setting have it be the Battle Frontier.
I think people were just expecting it to look as visually appealing as XY. Like most locations are a 1:1 recreation. However then they showed us what they could do with Mauville City (making it a giant apartment complex) and Sea Mauville (an old ocean drilling rig instead of an abandoned boat) and it just makes many other areas feel like a missed opportunity. Oldale is noted for its colorful flowers, Petalburg is said to be by the shoreline, Verdanterf is said to be windy which protects it from Mt. Chimney's ash, Lavaridge is known for their volcanic hot springs, Fortree is a city built upon & within a forest of trees. These areas could have been remade to better match their map description or expand upon their idea now that we're playing the games in 3D, making them that memorable and a place you want to explore... but instead it still looks like it did in the GBA.
Same goes for routes. Got plenty of similar looking Forest routes. Do I even need to mention the water routes? There are plenty of water biomes or things they could have done to make the Hoenn oceans more interesting both on the surface and below. On the surface they could have one part of the ocean have crystal clear water, maybe throw in them making an artificial islands, include another small Pacifidlog Town hinting that there's a now much more larger Pacifidlog City that can be visited. Below the waters they could have coral reefs, kelp forests, hydrothermal vents, etc..
Eh, I don't think no Z version was a mark against ORAS... it was a mark against XY.
"Smarts" doesn't really have anything to do with it when it was likely caused by poor implementation of the new mechanic (Dynamax) where EVERY Pokemon model was given a giant version thus probably filling out the memory to the point they would have problem putting in all the Pokemon. "Aren't they now releasing a cartridge that includes the DLC?" Either the cart's memory is bigger than the vanilla versions, cleaned up the inside of the game freeing up enough space to include the DLC, and/or learned how (or got better programmers) to compressed things that should have been compressed when not in use (like all the Pokemon models).
It was made from necessity not from want. "But they said they've been thinking of doing it since Sun & Moon" and yet decided against it in Sun & Moon. Why? Because they had the space to include all the Pokemon so probably had a hard time justifying it to themselves to not have non-regional dex Pokemon cut for no reason.
Has there been hints of a Gen 4 remake? As far as I know Pokemon SwSh + Expansion Pass is likely going to be their last Gen VIII game before moving onto Gen IX.
If they wanted to replace gambling (which is fair for more reasons than one), why not add something like Pokemon races, Pokemon basketball, etc...?
You could still get points, still even use them. Alternatively, replace them with something closer to the Battle Subway.
You could still get points, still even use them. Alternatively, replace them with something closer to the Battle Subway.
I was (mostly) joking, just make the arcade games free. If they want to add a challenge to it do what they did with Voltorb Flip: breaks the games into levels where you can either cash out after completing a level or keep on playing for more points but if you lose you lose all your points.
Ooh, wait, since they made Watts is this super valuable currency make playing the arcade games generate Watts!
It's kind of the point of making such highly-detailed models for 3DS, to be able to reuse them in future games and not make them again.
Whatever was the reason, that is not one.
The only excuse that would have justified Dexit was them overhauling older Pokemon's stats, movepools, and maybe Abilities.
The way they make Pokemon now and back then is completely different that it makes the older Pokemon feel outdated. If they were going to go ahead with Dexit, they should have taken a close look at each Pokemon being included in the regional dex and gone "what could we do to make this Pokemon better": increasing and adjusting stats to be on par with newer Pokemon equivalence, scrapping the old learnset and making a new one from scratch, changing up some Abilities if needed so the Pokemon can better utilize them. Oh, and of course giving all Pokemon better in-battle animations, both for idle poses (should be in a dynamic "ready to attack/defend" pose) and when using an attack (they should have an animation for each basic kind of movement that Pokemon would do and should never just keep doing it's idle pose while it's model is either moved around a bit and/or just has special effects going on).
The way they make Pokemon now and back then is completely different that it makes the older Pokemon feel outdated. If they were going to go ahead with Dexit, they should have taken a close look at each Pokemon being included in the regional dex and gone "what could we do to make this Pokemon better": increasing and adjusting stats to be on par with newer Pokemon equivalence, scrapping the old learnset and making a new one from scratch, changing up some Abilities if needed so the Pokemon can better utilize them. Oh, and of course giving all Pokemon better in-battle animations, both for idle poses (should be in a dynamic "ready to attack/defend" pose) and when using an attack (they should have an animation for each basic kind of movement that Pokemon would do and should never just keep doing it's idle pose while it's model is either moved around a bit and/or just has special effects going on).
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Typhlosion wants his back fire back.
I also miss Blaziken having wrist flames. The last time he had them was...
... WTF!? NONE of Blaziken's sprites/models ever had its wrist flames?! Only official artwork (and TCG, Battrio pucks, toys/figurines)?
And even then, the RS art doesn't have them
It was mostly the anime, though at that point GF directly lent model sheets
Imma say this
If you don't like them at their worst, you don't deserve them at their best
Typhlosion also technically is a quadruped. We need more on 4s tackle representation, like Hal's anims
Bro, I like Cyndaquil either way. Typhlosion would look more badass quadruped though.