You mean, just like I said at a somewhat later point in the very post you are quoting?
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But it seems like we are thinking the same thing regarding this, so that's cool.
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But it seems like we are thinking the same thing regarding this, so that's cool.
I think the gen 2 gym leaders aren't as bad as people say, at least not in concept. I really appreciate that some of the bosses in HGSS use some kind of gimmick or strategy, often revolving around the tm they give away. For example, Chuck's signature move is focus punch, so he uses two different ways of avoiding getting hit, double team and hypnosis. This is actually really clever design, because it offers a unique challenge, and it also showcases the potential of the shiny new tm you get as a reward for beating Chuck.
Pryce's team is about hail stall. He has one hail setter, and two Pokemon that use the hail to stall you out. Dewgong has resttalk, which completely shuts down weaker Pokemon while they get chipped away by the hail. Piloswine attempts to stall with snow cloak. It also has mud bomb, which further reduces accuracy, and blizzard, which becomes perfectly accurate in hail. Even ice fang can help Piloswine avoid getting hit by flinching or freezing the opponent. Obviously, the execution of this hail stall team is shoddy at best, but I think it's clear that some thought went into Pryce's strategy.
Even the gym leaders that give away a move that doesn't lend itself well to gimmick strategy (like Morty) have a gimmick, it just doesn't revolve around his signature move. Morty's entire team uses status conditions. He has two Pokemon that use the mean look + curse combo, while his remaining Pokemon have hypnosis. The haunter with hypnosis even has dream eater and nightmare to take advantage of hypnosis.
Even some of the kanto leaders have their own gimmick. Lt. Surge is a bastard cheater with double team spam, Erika has a full on chlorophyl sunnybeam team (with terrible coverage) and Blaine uses white herb overheat on all of his Pokemon. Again, the execution of all of these teams could be a lot better, but at least they tried.
It's not often that you see this approach to boss design in Pokemon. The best example of gimmicks and team synergy would probably be the totem fights from gen 7. Other than that, most bosses are just a gauntlet of Pokemon that are just strong in general, rather than a team of Pokemon that contribute to a larger strategy. There's nothing really wrong with that per se, but I like the more gimmicky teams. They can catch you off guard more easily and that makes them more memorable.
Pryce's team is about hail stall. He has one hail setter, and two Pokemon that use the hail to stall you out. Dewgong has resttalk, which completely shuts down weaker Pokemon while they get chipped away by the hail. Piloswine attempts to stall with snow cloak. It also has mud bomb, which further reduces accuracy, and blizzard, which becomes perfectly accurate in hail. Even ice fang can help Piloswine avoid getting hit by flinching or freezing the opponent. Obviously, the execution of this hail stall team is shoddy at best, but I think it's clear that some thought went into Pryce's strategy.
Even the gym leaders that give away a move that doesn't lend itself well to gimmick strategy (like Morty) have a gimmick, it just doesn't revolve around his signature move. Morty's entire team uses status conditions. He has two Pokemon that use the mean look + curse combo, while his remaining Pokemon have hypnosis. The haunter with hypnosis even has dream eater and nightmare to take advantage of hypnosis.
Even some of the kanto leaders have their own gimmick. Lt. Surge is a bastard cheater with double team spam, Erika has a full on chlorophyl sunnybeam team (with terrible coverage) and Blaine uses white herb overheat on all of his Pokemon. Again, the execution of all of these teams could be a lot better, but at least they tried.
It's not often that you see this approach to boss design in Pokemon. The best example of gimmicks and team synergy would probably be the totem fights from gen 7. Other than that, most bosses are just a gauntlet of Pokemon that are just strong in general, rather than a team of Pokemon that contribute to a larger strategy. There's nothing really wrong with that per se, but I like the more gimmicky teams. They can catch you off guard more easily and that makes them more memorable.
I would like to see a region based on Columbia. Why? Columbia is the most bio-diverse country on earth, home to bears, big cats, birds of prey and much much more. It has lots of diversity in terms of scenery. And before anybody makes jokes about cocaine, much more of Columbia’s GDP comes from nickel, coffee and gold.
The main issue is that I think the pokémon sucking is just gamefreak not knowing game balance. I don't think they'd do something like that intentionally for this narrative lol.
It's also extremely hard to believe the argument that Johto is lagging behind technology advancements when they use the exact same, if not better, Kanto systems. The pokémon center got upgraded with extra areas and a better PC, they have a whole train system going on with Kanto, a radio tower, a brand new phone system that connects to it and shows you the map, hell prof. elm's lab literally looks like an upgrade of oak's. Just because the region focus on maintaining its culture instead of assimilating to Kanto's urbanization, doesn't mean they're struggling behind with technology. This is a mirror of the differences of real-life Japanese provinces. Some are more rural, some are more modern, but most enjoy similar technological advances available to them.
I agree with your first point, but I don't take away points from GSC or HGSS just because GF didn't intentionally design them a certain way. The end result is what I'm mainly focused on, not GF's design philosophy. A lot of great innovations happen by accident.
You bring up some interesting points about technology. Looking at each one:
1. I don't think it's clear that the upgraded Pokémon Center or PC originated in Johto. As the GSC protagonist you see them for the first time in Johto since that's where you start. But those same upgrades exist in Kanto when you visit the region later in the game. We know these innovations mainly stem from Bill. It seems to me Bill is a Goldenrod native who does most of his experimentation and invention in his cottage north of Cerulean (ex. the teleporter). I think there's a high chance Bill implemented these systems in Kanto first only to later bring them to his native region Johto. But let's call this a wash.
2. The Magnet Train is not owned by either Goldenrod or Saffron City. It's inspired by a real life train that runs between Osaka and Tokyo, owned by a company that isn't affiliated with either. Again, you see this for the first time in Johto through the eyes of the GSC protagonist but that doesn't mean it belongs to or originated in Johto. You could argue it belongs to Kanto since they actually own the Plant that powers the train, but let's call this a wash too.
3. Kanto also has a Radio Tower which replaced the Pokémon Tower in Lavender Town. Again, just because we see the Goldenrod Radio Tower first in the games doesn't mean they implemented it first in the three years between RBY and GSC.
4. I don't see how Elm's lab looks more advanced than Oak's. Aesthetically they look pretty similar aside from generational differences. But maybe that's just me.
These all even out. What puts Kanto over the top for me technologically are three things:
1. Silph Co. - Kanto takes a massive lead in tech by having the leading manufacturer of Poke Balls, medicine, repels and TMs located in its region. Johto has nothing which even remotely compares. Oh and that fancy Pokegear you receive at the beginning of HGSS? That has a Silph logo on it. Interesting.
2. Fossils - Kanto builds on its lead by having the technology to resurrect fossils. That's pretty extraordinary. Johto, interestingly, is one of only two regions to not even have fossils native to its region let alone the technology to resurrect them.
3. Legendaries - Kanto closes the case for me by taking one look at their legendaries. Johto has Ho-Oh and Lugia, more or less the God of the Sun and Sea, respectively. Mythical creatures. Kanto has Mewtwo, a man made creation and marvel of genetic engineering. Hmm.
I think it's pretty clear Kanto not only blows Johto out of the water technologically, it might be the most technologically advanced region in all of Pokémon. Feel free to disagree.
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I think the issue is that while Kanto is a big technology manufacturer, that technology is also extremely accessible to a johtonian citizen. It's a bit hard for me to grasp Johto lagging behind, actually, because to explain better, it feels less like the difference between, let's say, Kyoto and Saga, but the difference between Shimogyō-ku and Ukyō-ku, two of the Kyoto wards. The former is clearly a more technological and administrative scape. High urbanization, all that jazz. Ukyō-ku has a lot more of the traditional and the culture going on there. Sure, Shimigyō-ku holds more of the companies and factories, but that doesn't mean Ukyō-ku isn't advanced by itself, it's actually one of the more advanced regions of Japan (and Kyoto in general). They're sister wards, one needing the other for something.
That's the dynamic I get from Kanto and Johto. In fact, I'd argue Kanto is inferior, as it succumbed to urbanization and lost its touch with its own culture, something Johto could easily balance.
Fair enough. Just to use the US as perhaps a more relatable example: Kanto is like Silicon Valley, a huge exporter of all kinds of technology. Just because parts of the Deep South have easy access to this technology in today's day and age, doesn't mean you can put Silicon Valley and the Deep South on equal footing as regions when judging them technologically. One is clearly more advanced than the other.
And I get your cultural point but it's subjective. I see San Francisco as more influential in the US today (for better or for worse) than say for example Philadelphia. The former specializes in tech while the latter's main draw is culture and history.
I guess I'm not saying Kanto is inherently superior to Johto so much as it is more influential. Kanto fits the bigger brother mold of getting the cool toys and gadgets first, only to hand them down to their little brother Johto. Johto might give off a more humane vibe by way of its culture but that doesn't mean it has the same kind of power and influence as Kanto. This fits nicely into an underdog narrative.
Anyway let's agree to disagree. I don't want to get too off topic plus there's not much else I can say in support of my argument.
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Than Johto? Sure (though my previous argument wasn't that Kanto wasn't more technically advanced, it is, but that Johto wasn't "behind the times" but rather was focused on its culture and traditions which it seems to have more of than Kanto. Does that mean Kanto didn't have its own culture and tradition that might have been worth preserving? No, but probably not as much as Johto which is why Kanto went the more technological route as it just didn't have to worry that much about paving over landmarks).
But the rest of the world? I feel Galar had just taken that crown, though even before than I'd say Unova took it from Kanto. You could make an argument whether Kalos may have also had a shot, as well as ORAS's version of Hoenn, but Galar is probably the most modern region we have having 3 major cities which you are very technological in their own way (Motostoke is very steampunk, Hammerlocke has the powe plant, and Wyndon you could probably see from space when it's night there).
I did caveat that point by saying Johto was behind the times "in comparison", in this case to Kanto. For which I outlined all the reasons in my last two posts. Johto choosing to focus on culture comes at a cost, in this case the cost being diverting its attention away from other fields such as tech.
And I am not advocating tech is better than culture or the inverse. It doesn't matter what my personal opinion is on that subject. What matters is me objectively assessing the regions and observing in my view that they fit into a narrative of one region being more powerful than the other in multiple facets, with the less powerful region needing to prove its strength. Me saying Johto is less advanced than Kanto is not meant to be negative; it's positive because it further fuels this narrative and is a big plus for GSC and HGSS. There's not much else I can say about it.
Fair enough, there are other contenders. I did say Kanto "might" be the most technologically advanced, opening the possibility for others. The only opinion I feel truly strong about is Kanto beating Johto in tech, which is the only opinion that really matters as it pertains to GSC and HGSS.
It is worth noting that Kanto contains the city inspired by Tokyo (Saffron City) which is considered by many to be the most technologically advanced city in the real world. Which might be true to form considering the presence of Silph Co. and the Magnet Train in Saffron. It would be unfair to judge Kanto and Galar on the surface considering the former was first introduced over 25 years ago and the latter was released less than 2 years ago. There will naturally be huge generational differences. I think it would be more fair to judge the regions by what they represent, as the Pokémon equivalent of Japan and the U.K., respectively. The U.K and London are certainly very advanced, but Japan and specifically Tokyo have them beat by quite a bit in tech. And as advanced as the U.S and NYC are I still think Japan/Tokyo beats them, and by extension Kanto beating Unova in tech.
Again, I don't feel as strongly about this as my Kanto versus Johto comparison but those are my two cents.
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When rewatching, there's something I didn't like about the final battle with Paul.
Simply put, Paul didn't bring up his best mons, instead using some never before seen team. Paul started losing mons quick, and there's a bit of dialogue from Brock that bothers me: Paul apparently planned this. Why? In order to lure Ash into a false sense of security.
I'm sorry but, what DUMBASS ever does that?! He basically just sacked a third of its team, in the quarterfinal match, and THAT'S CALLED A GOOD STRATEGY?! I was already bothered that Paul doesn't bring some of its stronger mons like Torterra and Ursaring, but then the writing justifies this choke as being actually genius. Seriously, does Paul ever take the L when isn't against a veteran trainer?
Simply put, Paul didn't bring up his best mons, instead using some never before seen team. Paul started losing mons quick, and there's a bit of dialogue from Brock that bothers me: Paul apparently planned this. Why? In order to lure Ash into a false sense of security.
I'm sorry but, what DUMBASS ever does that?! He basically just sacked a third of its team, in the quarterfinal match, and THAT'S CALLED A GOOD STRATEGY?! I was already bothered that Paul doesn't bring some of its stronger mons like Torterra and Ursaring, but then the writing justifies this choke as being actually genius. Seriously, does Paul ever take the L when isn't against a veteran trainer?
Why didn't Paul just bring an entire team of strong new Pokémon to completely destroy any plan Ash had going in? Sure, it wouldn't actually do anything because Ash almost never has a plan more complex than brute-forcing wins with the power of friendship, but it would at least be a decent idea in theory.
I can see that happening, it kinda reminds me of Blue in Adventures, whose title as Dex Holder is Trainer, he constantly shakes up his team and trains up new members for combat. Although Paul was doing pretty good in the league with his regular team, sweeping Barry with ease. I'd like to think he overstimated Ash and that costed him the win lol.
not only that, he taunted Infernape to go all out. He could have won in so many situations, but chose to let his Pokemon knocked out especially his E-Vire.
To be fair, Electivire itself was also egging Infernape on to go all out on it. Electivire was eager to keep battling Infernape to the bitter end and it was more than happy to see Infernape not only go out and unleash its full power but to also finally be defeated by it, going down with a smile.
Infernape's rivalry with Electivire was a big part of the DP series and this was the peak of it all. Electivire always looked down on Infernape but it still wished to see its rival go all out at that point, knowing it had that much potential.
To be fair that wasn't Ash's best team either. Both trainers really only brought two of their best six Pokémon to that fight, Ash bringing Infernape and Pikachu, and Paul bringing Electivire and Drapion. Seemed pretty even to me and a well earned win for Ash.
I do agree though that Paul is overhyped as some strategic genius. He kept that fight close mainly because his Electivire and Drapion hard carried his team through sheer battling prowess, not because of some amazing strategy. Ash even out maneuvered him a couple times, most notably using Flare Blitz on the ground to hurt Ninjask and eliminate Toxic Spikes, preventing Pikachu from being poisoned which turned out to be huge.
But Paul was still Ash's best rival in my opinion due to the dichotomy of their views on Pokémon. And that fight, particularly Infernape versus Electivire, is still the best battle in the series for me.
To the extent that I wish they ended Ash's arc after that battle, with that being the final round of the Lily of the Valley Conference. And cast a new protagonist for the Unova series. The Sinnoh series felt like a culmination of all the previous series where Ash was now a competent trainer and had very little upward growth left to experience by the end of it. Which is why they hard reset him to turn him back into an idiot in Unova because his character development had basically ended by the end of Sinnoh.
Overcoming Paul would have been the perfect closing chapter for Ash. And yes, that means no Ash-Greninja which might make this opinion unpopular and on topic for this thread. But I really think that would have been the best way to execute his arc.
I feel, competitive battle prowess aside, a lot of us would be happy with no Ash-Greninja.
Oh true, this is still my favorite battle of the Pokemon anime, those details kinda bother me but in the end those can be easily overlooked. Infernape deserved that win against Electivire 100% just like how Ash deserved to beat Paul once and for all, who used to oppose his way of training mons.
No Ash Greninja needed that's for sure, seriously, isn't the broken and awesome Protean ability enough? Infernape's super mode was due to its ability Blaze and it still required proper control, no chosen-one legends needed.
I thought Ash-Greninja was pretty darn cool in the anime and I really liked his Greninja overall in terms of its character arc and the mastery of its Bond Phenomenon with Ash made for a very cool development that reflected Ash's own character in a sense. As someone who is a sucker for shonen type action and loves Greninja as a Pokémon to death, seeing Ash-Greninja in action was hella cool and I loved seeing such an awesome Pokémon pull off such epic battles in the League and in Wulfric's Gym Battle.
What I don't like about it is two things: the first is that Ash-Greninja being a special Bond Phenomenon transformation did in a sense feel like the writers didn't want Ash to use Mega Evolution and so gave his Greninja its own little anime-exclusive transformation that was similar, despite the fact that he literally had a handful of Pokémon in back that he could pull off Mega Evolution with (namely, Charizard and Sceptile, of course). This is despite Mega Evolution literally being one of Gen 6's defining features, and Greninja not having any special transformation in-game in XY or even ORAS.
The other is that I am still a bit miffed and find it unfair that they only gave Greninja that special transformation and made it usable in-game while leaving the other two Kalos starters in the dust. I understand that Greninja is extremely popular and was the instant fan fave over the other two and to this day is still one of the most iconic Pokémon of all time (and rightfully so, the mon is cool as fuck), it is still ridiculously biased that Greninja gets all the special attention while they leave Delphox and Chesnaught in the shadows like that. Yes, Charizard getting two Megas is also bias, but at least Venusaur and Blastoise got one of their own each, so they got something. They even all got G-Maxes, even though the other two got theirs later than Zard. Same with the Hoenn starters: Sceptile and Swampert got their Megas later than Blaziken, but they still got them in the end. Even as a Greninja lover I'm of the opinion that Delphox and Chesnaught are both great and underrated and I am sad they didn't get any sort of special transformation to make them stand out. Granted I know in regards to the anime Serena's Braixen has not gone past Braixen thus far (assuming it ever evolves in the scenario that Serena appears again in the future, of course) and Clemont's Chespin has never evolved (and poor Chesnaught has not been represented well in the anime, sadly), but it's still something that irks me to this day. If you're gonna give one of the starters in the trio special treatment, you might as well give them all that treatment. It's especially irksome to me considering the Alola and Galar starters managed to have special access their own generational gimmicks in their debut generation at the very least with the former group having signature Z-Moves and the latter group all having G-Maxes forms (this is despite Cinderace being the most blatantly marketed of the three a la Greninja).
What I don't like about it is two things: the first is that Ash-Greninja being a special Bond Phenomenon transformation did in a sense feel like the writers didn't want Ash to use Mega Evolution and so gave his Greninja its own little anime-exclusive transformation that was similar, despite the fact that he literally had a handful of Pokémon in back that he could pull off Mega Evolution with (namely, Charizard and Sceptile, of course). This is despite Mega Evolution literally being one of Gen 6's defining features, and Greninja not having any special transformation in-game in XY or even ORAS.
The other is that I am still a bit miffed and find it unfair that they only gave Greninja that special transformation and made it usable in-game while leaving the other two Kalos starters in the dust. I understand that Greninja is extremely popular and was the instant fan fave over the other two and to this day is still one of the most iconic Pokémon of all time (and rightfully so, the mon is cool as fuck), it is still ridiculously biased that Greninja gets all the special attention while they leave Delphox and Chesnaught in the shadows like that. Yes, Charizard getting two Megas is also bias, but at least Venusaur and Blastoise got one of their own each, so they got something. They even all got G-Maxes, even though the other two got theirs later than Zard. Same with the Hoenn starters: Sceptile and Swampert got their Megas later than Blaziken, but they still got them in the end. Even as a Greninja lover I'm of the opinion that Delphox and Chesnaught are both great and underrated and I am sad they didn't get any sort of special transformation to make them stand out. Granted I know in regards to the anime Serena's Braixen has not gone past Braixen thus far (assuming it ever evolves in the scenario that Serena appears again in the future, of course) and Clemont's Chespin has never evolved (and poor Chesnaught has not been represented well in the anime, sadly), but it's still something that irks me to this day. If you're gonna give one of the starters in the trio special treatment, you might as well give them all that treatment. It's especially irksome to me considering the Alola and Galar starters managed to have special access their own generational gimmicks in their debut generation at the very least with the former group having signature Z-Moves and the latter group all having G-Maxes forms (this is despite Cinderace being the most blatantly marketed of the three a la Greninja).
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I definitely agree more heavily marketed Pokémon get things handed to them on a silver platter, which is of course wrong. But I want to touch upon another point since you're going there. Another unpopular opinion I have is I do not like Mega evolutions. I do think they're the best gimmick of the three: Mega's, Z-moves and G-max forms. But that doesn't make them good. I think they're flawed in both concept and execution.
Concept wise I guess they're trying to do two things: 1) breathe life into previously worthless Pokémon like Beedrill; and 2) make it apparent what is the ace Pokémon or center piece of a team. However, I think cross-gen evo's did a much better job of breathing life into older Pokémon, like what Johto and Sinnoh did, without creating balance issues and overly busting Pokémon, which I'll get to in a minute. Second, I don't think the ace status should be handed to a Pokémon in such a blatant way. First, it overshadows the rest of the team members. But also, Metagross didn't need a Mega to prove to be the ace of Steven's team. Nor does Garchomp need a Mega to be the ace of Cynthia's team. Infernape doesn't need a Mega to be the ace of my Sinnoh playthroughs; it earns that status all on its own. Mega's just seem like an over the top way to cater to the "ace" concept.
And in execution, Mega's are spectacularly flawed. Why the fuck do Metagross and Garchomp even need Mega's when, I don't know, something like Butterfree doesn't get one? If Beedrill got one, why not Butterfree? Just using it as an example to make my point. And in playthroughs you have to purposely nerf yourself to not use Mega's against trainers who do not also have a Mega or you end up becoming completely OP. Unlike Set mode, no healing items in battle, and not grinding, it's honestly pretty hard for me to rationalize this kind of handicap. It removes any kind of tension that might exist in the main campaign. Which kind of speaks to the dull difficulty of the Gen 6 games, Exp. Share issues aside.
Mega's just seem like a flawed concept with abysmal execution and I think a lot of people like them because they seem like the best of the three post Gen 5 gimmicks. Which I agree they are. But that doesn't make them good by any stretch.
I think each of the gimmicks has good points.
Dynamax: Stadium-only keeps you from using it against route trainers, no items makes for less inventory management and more in-battle decisions.
Z-moves: Status moves make for creative tactics, the damage calc and the status moves make for unusual sets and even mons being viable, requiring an item slot for a 1-time boost makes them an actual trade-off.
Megas: Makes trash mons useful, the mega stones make it easy to control when players get specific powerful mons in-game, choosing when to mega-evolve is a really interesting tactic for certain mons(gyarados, weather war TTar)
Dynamax: Stadium-only keeps you from using it against route trainers, no items makes for less inventory management and more in-battle decisions.
Z-moves: Status moves make for creative tactics, the damage calc and the status moves make for unusual sets and even mons being viable, requiring an item slot for a 1-time boost makes them an actual trade-off.
Megas: Makes trash mons useful, the mega stones make it easy to control when players get specific powerful mons in-game, choosing when to mega-evolve is a really interesting tactic for certain mons(gyarados, weather war TTar)
My understanding of the Paul fight is that he planned his team to bait out several of Ash’s Pokémon to confirm Ash’s team composition - which was likely (and correctly) the same team as at Lake Acuity. Aggron and Gastrodon took four Pokémon between them to take out and by the time Ash switched in Staraptor, Paul could confirm his suspicions and go all-in with the Drapion strategy.
The rest of his team (Evire, Ninjask, Froslass) were probably meant to cover other threats Paul was aware of as well as being strong mons in their own rights (Evire is self-explanatory; the others needed two of Ash’s best Pokémon and Ninjask would have taken out Gliscor had he not been switched out - the best mon to take on Drapion).
The rest of his team (Evire, Ninjask, Froslass) were probably meant to cover other threats Paul was aware of as well as being strong mons in their own rights (Evire is self-explanatory; the others needed two of Ash’s best Pokémon and Ninjask would have taken out Gliscor had he not been switched out - the best mon to take on Drapion).
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I can understand the casual gameplay and flavor, but I must hear this explanation of how Dynamax is better competitively.
Here is one opinion that I think will be unpopular; Every month when the Sword and Shield Wild Area promotes catching a shiny Pokemon for a few days, I always ignore the event unless the shiny colours are IMO better than the original. As someone who has Pokemon dating from gen 3 exported to the more recent games, as well as multiple legendaries and mythicals with different natures that span several generations, my boxes are very full and not well organised. It can be hard keeping track of where I have put all my Pokemon, which is why shiny Pokemon get in the way if I already have a well trained normal coloured Pokemon in my box (which have the same sprite colouring to slow me down even further, thanks Game Freak).
Even before my boxes got overfilled, I never saw the interest in shiny Pokemon unless I specifically liked its alternative colours. It does not matter how rare it is, I won't catch that hot-pink Garchomp (when it goes Mega) that has just appeared as looking at it makes me want to puke. Unfortuantly I find most shinies to be worse than the normal colouring (way to many pinks, strong green or just weird and clashing colours), or they look almost the same (e.g. non-Mega Gengar) so I can't be bothered to hunt for it. There are some exceptions that I would be happy to own, such as Charizard, the well known red Gyarados, or Umbreon (my personal favourite and the only one I might ever be tempted to shiny hunt for if a Wild Area shiny Eevee event never happens), but I can't see the appeal of catching every shiny Pokemon unless its one of your personal favourites.
Even before my boxes got overfilled, I never saw the interest in shiny Pokemon unless I specifically liked its alternative colours. It does not matter how rare it is, I won't catch that hot-pink Garchomp (when it goes Mega) that has just appeared as looking at it makes me want to puke. Unfortuantly I find most shinies to be worse than the normal colouring (way to many pinks, strong green or just weird and clashing colours), or they look almost the same (e.g. non-Mega Gengar) so I can't be bothered to hunt for it. There are some exceptions that I would be happy to own, such as Charizard, the well known red Gyarados, or Umbreon (my personal favourite and the only one I might ever be tempted to shiny hunt for if a Wild Area shiny Eevee event never happens), but I can't see the appeal of catching every shiny Pokemon unless its one of your personal favourites.
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