SPOILERS! Mysteries and Conspiracies of Pokemon

[ScraftyIsTheBest]

This is something that I'm mainly commenting off hand about since I don't play Pokemon Masters and have no intention of doing so anytime soon, but something I noticed when looking stuff up about it is that of all the player characters so far, Lucas and Victor are the only two not to be in the game at all. Every other player character has shown up over the course of Masters' time but these two haven't. For all the other regions both gender options for the player character show up as properly realized characters, but not with Lucas and Victor.

I do wonder why those two in particular are still excluded. Are they really that unpopular? I suppose I have no right to talk since I have Dawn (albeit, anime Dawn) as my avatar, but do Dawn and Gloria really overshadow them that much in terms of overall popularity to the point where Lucas and Victor straight up are unpopular?

I find it interesting that those two in particular are still out of the picture in Masters, especially when the girl protagonists for their respective regions (Dawn and Gloria) are in the game.

 

[R_N]

This is something that I'm mainly commenting off hand about since I don't play Pokemon Masters and have no intention of doing so anytime soon, but something I noticed when looking stuff up about it is that of all the player characters so far, Lucas and Victor are the only two not to be in the game at all. Every other player character has shown up over the course of Masters' time but these two haven't. For all the other regions both gender options for the player character show up as properly realized characters, but not with Lucas and Victor.

I do wonder why those two in particular are still excluded. Are they really that unpopular? I suppose I have no right to talk since I have Dawn (albeit, anime Dawn) as my avatar, but do Dawn and Gloria really overshadow them that much in terms of overall popularity to the point where Lucas and Victor straight up are unpopular?

I find it interesting that those two in particular are still out of the picture in Masters, especially when the girl protagonists for their respective regions (Dawn and Gloria) are in the game.

They just space them out rather than purposeful exclusion. Seemingly on a whim.

If you were curious this is when the other players were added. Which, I might add, was a pain in the ass because for some reason no one between Serebii, Bulbapedia & Gamepress just list "when were these characters added to the game" on any of the profiles and I had to track down a fandom wiki and individually look them up.
Launch of the game: Kris, Brendan, Rosa
September 2019: Lyra, Hilbert, Hilda
November 2019: Calem
January 2020: Ethan, Leaf
February 2020: Red
May 2020: Dawn
June 2020: Serena
November 2020: Nate, Gloria
January 2021: May
April 2021: Elio, Selene

As you can see they just really stretch them out. It wouldn't surprise me if Lucas came sometime this year to tie into the remakes or LA while Victor just dropped whenever.


Also we're missing 2 other protgaonists: Elaine & Chase, the Let's Go protagonists.

 

[Pikachu315111]

Upon a discussion about the complete form of Galar Fossil Pokemon, and how it's likely not ever happening, that got me thinking why the Galar Fossil Pokemon differ so much from previous Fossil Pokemon even though their fossils seemingly look more complete. I came up with this possible theory:

We're likely never going to see the "originals" (of the Galar Fossil Pokemon). Like, the strange thing about Galar fossils is that not only do they need to be combined, they are ABLE to be combined. Yes, they do make abominations, but it still works which shouldn't be possible if there wasn't something odd going on with them that makes them different from previous gen fossils.

Consider this, previous gen fossils weren't complete either:

• Omanyte just has its helix shell.
• Big Aerodactyl comes from a small Old Amber, a reference to Jurassic Park where they got dino DNA from bloodsucking insects which got stuck in tree resin. So either they cut the middlemon and just had a batch of Aerodactyl have parts of themselves get caught in tree resin OR Old Amber has a extinct species of bloodsucking insect Pokemon which primarily prayed upon Aerodactyl; which means we get Aerodactyl from just a few droplets of its blood!
• Anorith just has its claw.
• Cranidos & Shieldon just has have their heads.
• Tirtouga is also just its shell.
• Archen is just from a feather.
• Tyrunt only has its lower jaw.
• Amaura only has the fin from the top of its eye.

YET, despite that, we still get a complete Pokemon when we revive them. Whatever is missing the rejuvenation machine is able to have what DNA strands it gets to regrow it (with a possible side effect of them becoming part Rock-type as the Pokemon's organic matter is mixed in with inorganic matter of the fossil).

So, how come the Galar fossils then need to be combined, especially when the Galar Fossils are more complete than some of the fossils I mentioned above? Heck, if the Old Amber does contain an ancient bloodsucking insect Pokemon, why doesn't IT get revived instead of or along with Aerodactyl (or we get some sort of freak Bug-type insectoid Aerodactyl)? Also think of this: in the real world we have fossils of thousands of prehistoric animals; surely this must be also true for Pokemon yet we only have these handful of Fossil Pokemon we can bring back?

It has to be more than just having the fossil. It could very well be the Fossil Pokemon we're able to bring back is because scientists got lucky and were able to completely map out the DNA of those Pokemon. Maybe they found a batch of complete or nearly complete fossils with most of their organic matter preserved in a recoverable state (via the Pokemon world's super science). They map out the DNA and body structure, program the schematics into the rejuvenation machine, and now any significant fossil piece of that Pokemon can bring it back to life (or at least create an expy of it); it's just for player convenience that all Fossils for one Pokemon are the same. And this is probably a RARE thing, like they may have complete fossils of other ancient Pokemon but unfortunately there's something preventing the Pokemon's DNA from being sequenced. Like if the Old Amber does contain a bloodsucking insect Pokemon with Aerodactyl blood (BTW we know there's normal Aerodactyl fossils so they were able to get a complete DNA sequence of Aerodactyl from that and not the Old Amber, though the blood probably did help), it could be the tree resin damages the insect so much during the preservation process it loses vital organic information thus why it can't be revived along with Aerodactyl.

So, what about the Galar fossils? Not sure where I mentioned it, but I have a theory that the reason we only have half the Galar Fossil Pokemon is maybe because their other half is made from a non-preservable matter. Maybe their other half is entirely made from a soft tissue, or maybe it was entirely made from a solid form of energy. Whatever the case, this missing half cannot be simply recreated from sequencing the DNA of the other half thus the original Galar Fossil Pokemon can't be revived. HOWEVER, Cara discovered that this subset of Fossil Pokemon can have their halves combined with another as lone as one was the head/front and the other was the hind. Of course Cara Liss is careless so, instead of realizing she's combining two different Pokemon together, she thinks she actually figured out what these Pokemon looked like and it just so happens they evolved to have similar parts. Thus, we get the Galar Fossil Pokemon we have now, Fossil Pokemon that on their own are incompletable but have a genetic quirk that lets you "combine" parts of them "together".

 

[Ironmage]

I legit just noticed this while going through the Golett discussion elsewhere.

One of the traditional ways a golem was animated was by writing the Hebrew word for 'truth' on its head. 'Truth' happens to be an important term for gen 5's story, and in BW Golett is only found in Dragonspiral tower, the location most tied to the legend where that word is most important. Golurk shows up in victory road in the sequels, which now contains the remains of Team Plasma Castle i.e. where the representation of Truth most recently battled its rival.

 

[Nokocchi]

• Big Aerodactyl comes from a small Old Amber, a reference to Jurassic Park where they got dino DNA from bloodsucking insects which got stuck in tree resin. So either they cut the middlemon and just had a batch of Aerodactyl have parts of themselves get caught in tree resin OR Old Amber has a extinct species of bloodsucking insect Pokemon which primarily prayed upon Aerodactyl; which means we get Aerodactyl from just a few droplets of its blood!

This is the original Red and Green artwork for Old Amber. It was a non-Pokemon Mosquito that sucked Aerodactyl's Blood/

It is possible, that while most animals were retconned out of the Pokemon world around late Gen I/early Gen II(I mean, have you seen the videos that cover that Japan-only Red and Green guidebook written by Gamefreak themselves? The entire nature of the Pokemon world was completely different originally), insects may still exist since in the canon since normal butterflies appear on certain battle screens in X and Y.

 

[Hugin]

Ignoring the Gen 1 art, the later versions of Old Amber all show something trapped inside, but not what. It's entirely possible that it's a toenail or feather, not a bit of blood. That said, I do think previous fossil mons are all incomplete, as evidenced by the rock-typing and some of the designs. The machines are good enough to restore most of the way, but they have to fill out the missing elements with something. That would make Care Liss's innovation the fact that she can revive fossils just from the fossils she uses without introducing external elements, even if she screws up by using fossils from multiple species.

 

[Pikachu315111]

This is the original Red and Green artwork for Old Amber. It was a non-Pokemon Mosquito that sucked Aerodactyl's Blood/

It is possible, that while most animals were retconned out of the Pokemon world around late Gen I/early Gen II(I mean, have you seen the videos that cover that Japan-only Red and Green guidebook written by Gamefreak themselves? The entire nature of the Pokemon world was completely different originally), insects may still exist since in the canon since normal butterflies appear on certain battle screens in X and Y.

I know.

Because Pokemon eventually retcon that normal animals don't exist, and if it's still canon that the Old Amber still contain a bug that contained Aerodactyl blood, that would mean the mosquito in the Old Amber would be changed into a Pokemon. And if they did that change they could have also decided to whatever reason, maybe to distance themselves from Jurassic Park, to change the bug inside the Old Amber from being a mosquito to another blood-sucking insect. Hence, me saying it's ancient Pokemon species that was a blood-sucking Bug-type.

As for the butterflies in XY, also note that a a few Bug-types moves as recent as the Bug-type Max Moves features what look to be real world bugs. I don't really take those as proof normal bugs still exist but rather it's just meant to represent a part of nature which bugs are but didn't want to go through the extra work to put in a complex model of a Bug-type so just used a generic butterfly analogue.

That would make Care Liss's innovation the fact that she can revive fossils just from the fossils she uses without introducing external elements, even if she screws up by using fossils from multiple species.

I still wouldn't call that a triumph for Cara Liss. Like, hypothetically speaking maybe each Fossil Pokemon is like 3/4s being what they were originally but needed extra material to be "revived". For previous Fossil Pokemon that meant binding them with the stone they were found in turning them Rock-type, but for the most part they were still hat they were originally. What Cara Liss did was just mushed together the 3/4s from two Fossil Pokemon and got a 1 & a half monstrosity. Sure, it's not Rock-type because it didn't need any external binding material, but that's because the extra binding material came internally this time. They're not Rock-types in spite of being Fossil Pokemon, not because its a triumph over it.

 

[Peridorito]

I'm not sure if this counts as a "mystery", but it seems no one knows exactly what Slowpoke and it's evolutions are supposed to be. Some suggestions I've seen thrown around are an otter and hippopotamus, but it doesn't look quite like either. I have a "theory" if you could call it that on what it's supposed to be.

In the generation 1 to 3 games and their remakes, there's a trainer class called the Poké Maniac. In Japan, they are called "Monster/Kaiju Maniac". They use Pokémon that look like kaijus, with the Slowpoke line being among them. In Let's Go they even dress as Slowpoke.

So my theory is that Slowpoke is based on kaiju, perhaps a specific one. But I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to kaijus, so I would like to ask any kaiju enthusiasts on this forum if there's any that resemble Slowpoke and it's evolutions.

 

[R_N]

While many gen 1 Pokemon have basis in specific kaiju, it's probably not a specific kaiju as it is a generic "monster" which also existed throughout gen 1.
Slowbro in particular comes from a point in conception where things like Clefairy (which were significantly more generic in appearence) were just a general stand in for "creature kept as pets". It's fully possible they just made a weird shell tail mammal/hermit crab monster because they thought it looked cool and gave an exaple of "weird monsters you can collect" alongside stuff like Exeggutor or Lickitung.

 

[Lightchao42]

So my theory is that Slowpoke is based on kaiju, perhaps a specific one. But I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to kaijus, so I would like to ask any kaiju enthusiasts on this forum if there's any that resemble Slowpoke and it's evolutions.

Kaiju enthusiast here, Slowpoke doesn't really resemble any kaiju I'm familiar with, certainly not any from Godzilla or Gamera at any rate. It could be based on something from Ultraman, but I've never heard anyone mention a possible candidate. Staryu is supposedly reminiscent of an Ultraman monster, so maybe there's some obscure character that looks like Slowpoke.

While Gen I had a few kaiju-aesthetic Pokémon like Rhydon, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, and Kangaskhan, I don't think Slowpoke is one of them. I use "kaiju-aesthetic" because they don't seem to be based on any kaiju in particular, unlike Tyranitar and Gigantamax Butterfree who seem to explicitly be inspired by Godzilla and Mothra. You can argue that Nidoking is based on Baragon, but Baragon has no poisonous characteristics so it's a less clear comparison. Hydreigon and King Ghidorah also share traits in common, but that's likely due to their shared inspiration from Yamata no Orochi.

Back to the Slowpoke line, I think the sazae-oni is a plausible candidate for Slowpoke's inspiration, which is a yokai that has a prominent turban shell like Slowbro and Slowking do.

 

[R_N]

Incidentally when Pokemon started development, the type system wasn't really a thing, and Nidoking was one of the first pokemon in the index listing. The poison aspect probably can't be held against Baragon as an inspiration and was just something they went with after deciding on the system and seeing what types to assign the various "generic" Pokemon; it wouldn't surprise me if Poison was something they thought matched all the spikes, but gave the final forms ground as reference to baragon.

Similar thing probably happened to Slowbro for that matter. The turban shell really lends itself well to the water typing, regardless of what it wasa based on, but the psychic type was probably done whole cloth based on the rest of the original design (probably a joke, it looks dopey and dumb so not something you'd asscoiated with the psychic typing)

 

[Peridorito]

While Gen I had a few kaiju-aesthetic Pokémon like Rhydon, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, and Kangaskhan, I don't think Slowpoke is one of them.

Yeah, I don't usually think of the Slowpoke line when I think of "Kaiju-esque" mons, which is why I found it interesting that it's used by the trainer class that specializes in these mons and they even dress like Slowpoke in Let's Go.

Another thing I noticed after making that post is that they are in the Monster egg group, a group that includes Kaiju-esque mons, as well as some dragons, reptiles and dinosaurs. But they're also in the Water 1 group which includes a bunch of aquatic and semi-aquatic animals.

My best guess now is that Slowbro at first was supposed to be some kind of semi-aquatic mammal, but since the trend of early Pokémon designs was to be monstrous, they "monster-fied" it a bit. Kinda like how Scyther is a praying mantis, but has a monster head instead of an insect one.

 

[R_N]

Yeah, I don't usually think of the Slowpoke line when I think of "Kaiju-esque" mons, which is why I found it interesting that it's used by the trainer class that specializes in these mons and they even dress like Slowpoke in Let's Go.

Another thing I noticed after making that post is that they are in the Monster egg group, a group that includes Kaiju-esque mons, as well as some dragons, reptiles and dinosaurs. But they're also in the Water 1 group which includes a bunch of aquatic and semi-aquatic animals.

My best guess now is that Slowbro at first was supposed to be some kind of semi-aquatic mammal, but since the trend of early Pokémon designs was to be monstrous, they "monster-fied" it a bit. Kinda like how Scyther is a praying mantis, but has a monster head instead of an insect one.

or how scyther used to look like this

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[Sonikku A]

My best guess now is that Slowbro at first was supposed to be some kind of semi-aquatic mammal, but since the trend of early Pokémon designs was to be monstrous, they "monster-fied" it a bit

I like how some artists take from manatees or hippos for appearance when making it "realistic"
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/YaxV8d

It's an ambiguous cutie, like most gen 1 mons

 

[Scorpio]

Kaiju enthusiast here, Slowpoke doesn't really resemble any kaiju I'm familiar with, certainly not any from Godzilla or Gamera at any rate. It could be based on something from Ultraman, but I've never heard anyone mention a possible candidate. Staryu is supposedly reminiscent of an Ultraman monster, so maybe there's some obscure character that looks like Slowpoke.

While Gen I had a few kaiju-aesthetic Pokémon like Rhydon, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, and Kangaskhan, I don't think Slowpoke is one of them. I use "kaiju-aesthetic" because they don't seem to be based on any kaiju in particular, unlike Tyranitar and Gigantamax Butterfree who seem to explicitly be inspired by Godzilla and Mothra. You can argue that Nidoking is based on Baragon, but Baragon has no poisonous characteristics so it's a less clear comparison. Hydreigon and King Ghidorah also share traits in common, but that's likely due to their shared inspiration from Yamata no Orochi.

Back to the Slowpoke line, I think the sazae-oni is a plausible candidate for Slowpoke's inspiration, which is a yokai that has a prominent turban shell like Slowbro and Slowking do.

I second the notion of Slowbro being a sazae-oni, specifically being the answer to the question “What if, instead of being humanoid, the sazae-oni were some sort of vague sea mammal?”

Also, in regards to the Nidos, I believe -queen and -king are at least partly based off the Ultraman kaiju Seamons and Seagorath respectively, being a male-female pair with prominent front horns.

 

[Pikachu315111]

Back to the Slowpoke line, I think the sazae-oni is a plausible candidate for Slowpoke's inspiration, which is a yokai that has a prominent turban shell like Slowbro and Slowking do.

There's a Bulbapedia article about the very subject.

But, yeah, I'm trying to think of something to say but I can't. Slowpoke, at least to me, is just... Slowpoke. I have no clue how it got developed. If one of its inspiration was the sazae-oni, I wondered if maybe it was just a list of what was initially separate ideas that just eventually merged together because they sort of fitted together (like how originally Shelmet and Karrablast had nothing to do with each other, Karrablast originally having another snail Pokemon to prey upon, but then they realized "hey, we're making two snail Pokemon, why not combine them and free up space for another design?"). If I were to even hazard a guess:

1. Design1 was a sazae-oni, my guess because they maybe wanted to do something with the "gold ball" pun. I say this because we have the Nugget item in the games and it also reminded me of the Safari Zone Warden's lost Golden Teeth. I wonder if originally the joke was gonna be that the Pokemon based on sazae-oni took the Warden's prizes possession, the Nugget, and you had to get it back by finding & defeating it which then it would drop the Nugget. Otherwise I don't see why the Warden's teeth were made of gold if not a remnant of this early joke quest.
   
   
2. Design2 is where things get vague. Because Slowpoke also has elements of a hermit crab. Could maybe it started out as a hermit crab idea, or there was three designs with the animal-based ones being an aquatic mammal which uses its tail to fish (yes I believe that's an important element) & a hermit crab with an evolution of it starting with no shell and gaining it?
   
   
3. Finally we have the third/fourth element: the Shellder family, who may or may not have been connected with the above sazae-oni.
   
   
4. This is where it starts coming together. Now obviously the hermit crab would need a seashell, and lacking a snail Pokemon would probably go for an conch shell. The Shellder family would be an easy candidate for this, but question is how would they get the Shellder onto the hermit crab?
   
   
5. Maybe it'll fish it up? Like, maybe it'll fish with its claws? Hey, wait a minute, we got this aquatic mammal that already fishes with its tail. We got plenty of bugs/other bug ideas, let's do the hermit crab idea but with this aquatic mammal instead. So it fishes up the Shellder that I guess attaches to it and it evolves having a shell.
   
   
6. But how does the shell attach? (Now either the Shellder family already had been associated with the sazae-oni or at this time they were cutting back on number of Pokemon & combining designs) Well, we have the sazae-oni (and we changed the joke in the Safari Zone to being gold teeth), how about when it attaches to the tail it doesn't let go. It evolves from eating the tail becoming an attached shell, and having lost an important part of itself but the weight different gave it the ability to walk on two feet and use its front feet as hands thus replacing the fishing tail with a more valuable treasure.
   
   
7. Combine them together and you get Slowpoke and Slowbro.

BTW, Slowking is likely unreleated to the lore of the sazae-oni and rather built upon the lore they established for the Slowpoke family with the idea "but what if the Shellder attached to its head?".

No clue why Nidoran family are Poison-types, Gen I had plenty of Poison-types to go around. Maybe something to do with Team Rocket? Out-there-idea, originally Giovanni was a Poison-type Gym Leader to match his team's Type preference and the whole he's a bad guy, he'll poison you if you get in his way. However, at some point, maybe they decided Giovanni would likely use the Type that would be super effective against his subordinates to keep them in line so was changed to Ground (no clue where Koga would be in all this, either he wasn't designed or maybe he had the Ground-type; instead of invisible walls his Gym was full of pitfalls you had to navigate around). Eitherway, though Koga was now a Poison-type Gym Leader, it does change a lot of original plans they had including with the Nidoran family; only thing they could do is make Nidoking and Nidoqueen randomly become part Ground-type so they could still be a part of his team.

 

[R_N]

Slowbro was around as a concept since the capumon day, where things were significantly more loose in concept. Cloyster, who was also there fairly early on (it had Shellder's name originaly and was swapped around with it much much later in development; same with Venusaur/Ivysaur), having a connection to Slowbro probably wasn't even there until later in development. Notably Slowpoke didn't come along until a little later and Shellder as we know it didn't come around until way later, at a time where they were actively experimenting more with evolutionary stages.

Which is to say that the original Slowbro could have indeed been based on the sazae-oni in some fashion, but Slowpoke and the Shellder connection was probably kind of made whole cloth



Giovanni appears to have been a flying type leader before settling on ground.
FARFETCH'D (50), FEAROW (48), DODRIO (46), PIDGEOT (47), AERODACTYL (44)

With his "Rocket Boss" battles having just a random assortment of Pokemon, which did include Nidoqueen but considering everything else here...
ONIX (27), CLEFABLE (23), KANGASKHAN (21)
RHYDON (33), LICKITUNG (38), NIDOQUEEN (34), SCYTHER (35)
I don't think they specifically made it poison just for him.

 

[Rapti]

BTW, Slowking is likely unreleated to the lore of the sazae-oni and rather built upon the lore they established for the Slowpoke family with the idea "but what if the Shellder attached to its head?".

Sazae-oni are usually depicted with one shell on the lower half and one shell on the head
like so

warning: this spoiler contains snail ogres

so, in a sense, Slowpoke and Slowking make one Sazae-oni between them

Also we're missing 2 other protgaonists: Elaine & Chase, the Let's Go protagonists.

Spin offs don't count
and no the fact that marketing told us that "it totally counted you guyz" doesn't mean it's not, in fact, a spin off

if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck then it's not a sauropod

 

[R_N]

Sazae-oni are usually depicted with one shell on the lower half and one shell on the head
like so

warning: this spoiler contains snail ogres

so, in a sense, Slowpoke and Slowking make one Sazae-oni between them


Spin offs don't count
and no the fact that marketing told us that "it totally counted you guyz" doesn't mean it's not, in fact, a spin off

if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck then it's not a sauropod

This reminds me that the TCG actually had a Let's Go-based set, including numerous cards specifically using the Let's Go designs for the trainers and giving a card for Green for the first time, none of Chase, Elaine or Trace (the rival) got one.

rip

 

[Pikachu315111]

Spin offs don't count

This reminds me that the TCG actually had a Let's Go-based set, including numerous cards specifically using the Let's Go designs for the trainers and giving a card for Green for the first time, none of Chase, Elaine or Trace (the rival) got one.

rip

I wouldn't count spin offs off yet. Now, they obviously want to jam pack the game with the more familiar characters first, and those are all from the main game series: Protags, Rivals, Gym Leaders/Captains/Kahuna, Elite Four, Champions, villain team, Frontier Brains, etc.. Even now they're also introducing some unexpected characters like Professors, notable NPCs (like the Stat Trainers from Sinnoh), and Jessie & James. J&J are noteworthy because it's not their Pokemon Yellow or Let's Go versions, its essentially their MU versions from the newer movies (particularly the ones from Secrets of the Jungle). But with MU J&J here, I don't think anything is quite off the table yet.

The spin off games aren't well known but they do have their niche and they are a well of characters yet untapped: Colosseum, Battle Revolution, Pokemon Ranger, GO, & Pokken. And as J&J showed, even the anime isn't excluded (doubt any ol' character-of-the-day will be added, but the anime has plenty of recurring or just memorable characters they could add in). And, of course, this all also includes Chase, Elaine, and Trace.

 

[bdt2002]

I may be a little bit late to this discussion, but if anyone feels like getting me quickly caught up (I don't wanna take up too much of your time), I would very appreciative of the fact. At one point I saw something about a Slowpoke, and now we're talking about TCG sets? I'd love to put in my two cents worth if possible.

What's something productive I can say so this post isn't inherently useless? Well, as a longtime fan of (most of) the spin-offs I grew up with and a few older ones, I think it's a shame that some of these characters haven't been seen more in Pokémon media in general. I feel like many of them just aren't that marketable to the hardcore TCG collectors. And honestly, the TCG is only just now getting super popular to casual audiences again with all these faces on social media networks abusing the heck out of pack opening videos to gain views and followers, but I digress. As for the Slowpoke thing... uh... the thing on Slowbro's tail (and Slowking's head) was originally supposed to be its own Pokémon in Gen 2? Look, I'm trying okay?

 

[R_N]

I highly doubt they ever touch the gamecube games, ranger or pokken....
Go feels like the only one they might be interested in, since Go is so important to the franchise & gamefreak in a way the other spin offs aren't. & even then who knows.
Also just...gonna say that the Professors were in the original trailer. And The stat trainers I feel have always been expected, they're fairly notable (dare I say, popular?) trainers even in the original DP.

Still, Jesse & James are pretty interesting pulls, I forgot about them.

I may be a little bit late to this discussion, but if anyone feels like getting me quickly caught up (I don't wanna take up too much of your time), I would very appreciative of the fact. At one point I saw something about a Slowpoke, and now we're talking about TCG sets? I'd love to put in my two cents worth if possible.

Well, I mean, don't take this the wrong way but it's all on this page, so you could just...read the posts....

 

[Yung Dramps]

I highly doubt they ever touch the gamecube games, ranger or pokken....
Go feels like the only one they might be interested in, since Go is so important to the franchise & gamefreak in a way the other spin offs aren't. & even then who knows.

You know what they are interested in though? Pokemon Dream Radar, apparently!

Burnet's appearance in the Alola games was an awesome deep cut, but at the same time it's surprising they never went much further with referencing spinoffs. Then again SWSH was very self-contained in general with few direct nods to other regions, so who knows...

 

[bdt2002]

Well, I mean, don't take this the wrong way but it's all on this page, so you could just...read the posts....

Ah, there we go. As I was trying to say before I screwed up the first attempt at replying, there is no offense taken here. Selfish question in hindsight perhaps, but I had just figured it may take me too long to get caught up. Long enough, at least, to where you guys would have moved onto other topics by the time I'm ready.

 

[R_N]

You know what they are interested in though? Pokemon Dream Radar, apparently!
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Burnet's appearance in the Alola games was an awesome deep cut, but at the same time it's surprising they never went much further with referencing spinoffs. Then again SWSH was very self-contained in general with few direct nods to other regions, so who knows...

So I was going to say this before and went "nah thats weird" but here i go anyway: i think gamefreak likes to keep it in the family, generally
Dream Radar was made by gamefreak, so Burnett was free real estate to them. Likewise Bridgette (from Box) got to get referenced in Pokemon Ranch and brought back for Pokemon Bank.

Honestly I wonder if half the reason they periodically use Jesse & James is because they used them in Yellow all those years ago and see them as "theirs" enough in a way they don't with, like, the Rangers or whatever which were handled by different studios.

Again says a lot about their relationship with Go that they decided to debut Meltan & Melmetal, made Let's Go, allow transfers, and made a big deal about Willow getting a pokemon card....and they even get to use Jesse & James!