(Little) Things that annoy you in Pokémon

Gonna be real I don't think we're ever going to get these old items reused for other purposes, regardless of how very specific they are. Like the Peat Block; I'd be stunned if anything other than Ursaring ever used it to evolve.

To my recollection, the only evolution items of any type that got used for multiple Pokemon after thier initial generation are the evolution stones (including the ice stone, which is nice). And even within their own generation, Metal Coat & King's Rock are the only other ones used for multiple Pokemon at all.

They probably could have been done with other methods pretty easily (berries were a good idea) but gamefreak just wanted to be cute about it. "What if Alcremie had different accessories, like real cakes? -> What if Milcery holds it when it evolves! -> Let's make a bunch of small items for it to hold and then have in its hair!!" "We want an "authentic/phony" gimmick -> oh that would probably want different pots!" etc etc etc. Adding new items like this is probably pretty low cost (even lower now that they can just use global link artwork) and bringing them forward probabyl the most effortless part of development, so if they have the option to they probably don't care that much other than ~The [arbitrary] Flavor~
Item Bloat only really matters in the sense of its fucking annoying digging through the bag but tbh that could be mroe easily resolved with just....significantly better bag options.


Also if we're going to judge this fully we need to push gen 4 against the locker more because in addition to the items you listed above, there's also the 7! incenses to breed the babies




The actual bad thing about all these items is gamefreak likes to make them needlessly rare. I don't really care that there's 2 pots to evolve Sinistea, I care significantly more about the fact the only way to get the item out side of the one (1) freebie is by random chance or very careful usage of the crammomatic (which itself can also still be random)
Sneasler uses Razor Claw again so there's that (Although I get why this wouldn't be considered too different from Weavile since the prevo is shared and whatnot, so not fully a new mon). Good point about the incenses also, didn't cross my mind (Although I think some of them have in-battle effects at least? not sure)

Using the last point as a bridge to another personal complaint about Sinistea - It's evo method kind of doesn't make sense. Its implied that Polteageist is supposed to be the liquid inhabiting the teapot, so why exactly can only antique sinistea evolve to antique polteageist and phony to phony, if the only difference is the pot it inhabits? Imo this gimmick would both make more sense and be less of a headache if Sinistea could evolve into either Polteageist, but the form it evolves depends on the item.

I know its a petty complaint but everything about this stupid tea is really annoying to me lol
 
Although I think some of them have in-battle effects at least?
All the incenses have battle effects.

Using the last point as a bridge to another personal complaint about Sinistea - It's evo method kind of doesn't make sense. Its implied that Polteageist is supposed to be the liquid inhabiting the teapot, so why exactly can only antique sinistea evolve to antique polteageist and phony to phony, if the only difference is the pot it inhabits? Imo this gimmick would both make more sense and be less of a headache if Sinistea could evolve into either Polteageist, but the form it evolves depends on the item.

I know its a petty complaint but everything about this stupid tea is really annoying to me lol
I'm pretty sure the reason there's two pots is to make it easier to tell if the Sinistea is antique or phony.
 
Why is Sneasler its own Pokemon and not just Hisuian Weavile?

Runerigus, Perrserker, Kleavor, I understand those. Their designs go in pretty different directions than the Cofagrigus, Persian, and Scizor, and their stats are also pretty different. But Sneasler's stats are almost identical to Weavile's, and while base Weavile isn't long enough to carry a human on its back, they could have just made Long Weavile instead of Long Sneasel. They already made Long Lilligant.

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I actually like Sneasler quite a lot. It definitely looks better than than Weavile you posted. I don’t see why it’s stats being slightly adjusted from Weavile is a problem though. Gallade and Gardevoir have the same stats with the exception of their attack and special attack swapped, while Slowbro and Slowking have the same stats and typing with only the defense and special defense swapped.
Why did Gen 8 add so many unnecessary evolution items. Like, Gen 4 is the one most known for adding a lot of new evos and somehow SwSh added more "No in-batle effect, just here for evolving this one mon" kind of items.
Probably to sell player guides and to “ encourage “ trading.
 
Probably to sell player guides and to “ encourage “ trading.
I also think they're just... a bit out of ideas. Large majority of the Pokemon at this point evolve either
- by level / friendship (or both)
- using an item (generally but not always an evolutionary stone)
- by getting traded (optional: while holding an item)

They occasionally do put some weirder unique evo methods, but they try to limit these because they become difficult to maintain in future generations (case in point: Leafeon/Glaceon and all the "magnetic field brigade" becoming regular stone evos in gen 8). So if you want a way to make a pokemon evolve that requires a very tiny bit of effort, having a dedicated evolutionary item (optional: obscure to obtain or just rare) is their preferred alternative.
 
The weird thing about those area evolution methods is SWSH could...still have just had them, as it was. There's an ice area, there's a grass area, just hand wave the area near hammerlocke as giving off a magnetic field.
And its not like they didn't already have the mechanic implemented; Yamask-G uses it to evolve in an even more complex manner.

I have problems with stone evolutions, but it is nice to have extra options, so not all bad I suppose.
 
I actually like Sneasler quite a lot. It definitely looks better than than Weavile you posted. I don’t see why it’s stats being slightly adjusted from Weavile is a problem though. Gallade and Gardevoir have the same stats with the exception of their attack and special attack swapped, while Slowbro and Slowking have the same stats and typing with only the defense and special defense swapped.
That Weavile was a sloppy photoshop edit. Most things look better than it lol. I'd probably get similarly ugly results if I tried to recreate Sneasler by editing Sneasel's artwork.

There's a pretty big difference between swapping around a Pokemon's stats like in the case of Gardevoir/Gallade and Slowbro/Slowking (and Cofagrigus/Runerigus, which I already listed as being fine in my book stat-wise) and rounding everything to the nearest 10 like Weavile/Sneasler. Only the former actually has a meaningful impact on how a Pokemon functions.
 
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Sinnoh citizens in the DP timeline confirmed to have utterly rancid taste in women. How did her bloodline die off
 
But Caitlin exists still, and references Darach in both BW and B2W2.
"Having everything go your way is the road to disillusionment. Knowing the difference between what's impossible and what's possible... I used to know someone who talked about that a lot."
"Darach is as neat as always. He came all the way to Unova, cleaned the villa, and then went home..."
There's also a theory that Darach was the last person to beat the Black Empoleon due to being the only notable trainer that visited Unova with an Empoleon on his team.
 
But Caitlin exists still, and references Darach in both BW and B2W2.


There's also a theory that Darach was the last person to beat the Black Empoleon due to being the only notable trainer that visited Unova with an Empoleon on his team.
In those games, Cynthia alludes to the Distortion World, and Giratina, confirming Platinum is the canon and was the canon until BDSP, which is unfortunate because Platinum is still considered the Definitive Sinnoh game by many.
 
Much Ado About Game Locked Mythicals
I don't get much of this argument at all. What's the difference between

"To get [Arceus] in [BDSP] you must buy and complete basically all of [LA] first. It's a progression requirement, so you can't even briefly borrow the game from a friend, so this is a paywall made worse"

and

"To get [Deoxys] in [XY] you must buy and complete basically all of [ORAS] first. It's a progression requirement, so you can't even briefly borrow the game from a friend, so this is a paywall made worse"

?

No one was calling Deoxys a bad paywall; they were celebrating a Mythical being finally obtainable in-game. Heck, you could also substitute [Celebi] / [Virtual Console GS] / [VC Crystal], or [Keldeo] / [SwSh] / [Crown Tundra].
 
"To get [Arceus] in [BDSP] you must buy and complete basically all of [LA] first. It's a progression requirement, so you can't even briefly borrow the game from a friend, so this is a paywall made worse"

and

"To get [Deoxys] in [XY] you must buy and complete basically all of [ORAS] first. It's a progression requirement, so you can't even briefly borrow the game from a friend, so this is a paywall made worse"

Really?

Deoxys is available in ORAS. I do not need to buy another game to get Deoxys in the game that its available in. I just need to buy the one game.

Arceus, despite the event being in BDSP, requires me to also have LA. I cannot get the Arceus that BDSP gives me without having to play an entirely different game. To get Arceus I'm required to buy two games. Though honestly Arceus is the least egregious example, if you want the egregious examples that would be those who want Darkrai in LA need to have a copy BDSP or those who wanted Mew in BDSP need to have a copy of Let's Go. And while I think you only need to have a save file, well, not everyone may have a friend or family member that just so happen to also have the physical copy of those games, for some people they pretty much need to buy the second game.
 
Really?

Deoxys is available in ORAS. I do not need to buy another game to get Deoxys in the game that its available in. I just need to buy the one game.

Arceus, despite the event being in BDSP, requires me to also have LA. I cannot get the Arceus that BDSP gives me without having to play an entirely different game. To get Arceus I'm required to buy two games. Though honestly Arceus is the least egregious example, if you want the egregious examples that would be those who want Darkrai in LA need to have a copy BDSP or those who wanted Mew in BDSP need to have a copy of Let's Go. And while I think you only need to have a save file, well, not everyone may have a friend or family member that just so happen to also have the physical copy of those games, for some people they pretty much need to buy the second game.
Arceus is available in LA. You do not need to buy another game to get Arceus in the game that it's available in.

Imagine this fictional scenario:
  • XY was released with a dummied out Deoxys island or something.
  • In ORAS, you get some item only after successfully catching Deoxys.
  • XY's Deoxys island is unlocked if the player has this item.
Then by adding more content to XY, the situation is somehow made worse? (Or, if this does not count as adding more content: By keeping the amount of content in XY the same, the situation is somehow made worse?)

I don't get the other line of argument either. In Gen 3, Espeon and Umbreon are unobtainable without linking a Hoenn game and a Kanto game together, and the Johto starters are unobtainable without linking three games (or buying a whole separate console). This may be bad, but your line of argument says it would've been preferable if they had been exclusive to time-locked events instead? (There were indeed events that gave out these Pokemon in Gen 3.)
 
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The fact you HAVE to press L/R to cycle boxes in PLA, instead of also being able to just put your cursor on the box name and press left or right. Also the fact the box list has to box icons and preview mirrored from every other Pokémon game with it. And the fact there's no warp spot next to it.
That reminds me, I always play my Switch in handheld mode, so it bothers me that games don't use the touch screen more often. Why can I type using the touch screen in Animal Crossing: New Horizons, but not use it to organise my inventory? New Pokémon Snap is the only Switch game I can think of where you can use the touch screen in menus, so that's nice.
 
Im sorry but it is genuinely pretty stupid to consider those mythicals to be "behind a paywall". I understand where its trying to come from with them technically being unobtainable without spending extra money and I still think its one of the dumbest takes to ever come out of this fandom (and I cannot overstate how much that is saying)

If you have Legends and you buy BDSP for Darkrai, you aren't spending money for a singular darkrai to be added to Legends, you are paying for a whole game in its entirety with Darkrai as a bonus (and Arceus as well since both games have save data mythicals).

And sure you could say "But I don't like that game and only want the mythical" but at that point I really can't blame this on the way they are being distributed, much less call it a paywall. This would be the equivalent of saying "I want Dracovish but its only found in SwSh and I don't like those games so I'd be playing only to get one, its a paywall"

Genuinely think this is a much better way to distribute mythicals than the old "We did an event for this mon 7 years ago only distributed in a few countries, not out fault if you missed it" kind of deal and I cannot understand how people think this is locking mythicals behind a paywall instead of being an extra mon that comes with a full game
 
Arceus is available in LA. You do not need to buy another game to get Arceus in the game that it's available in.

Don't you change the narrative. The example you gave above was:
"To get [Arceus] in [BDSP] you must buy and complete basically all of [LA] first. It's a progression requirement, so you can't even briefly borrow the game from a friend, so this is a paywall made worse"

You were specifically talking about the Arceus event in BDSP. Not the Arceus you get in LA.

Imagine this fictional scenario:
  • XY was released with a dummied out Deoxys island or something.
  • In ORAS, you get some item only after successfully catching Deoxys.
  • XY's Deoxys island is unlocked if the player has this item.
Then by adding more content to XY, the situation is somehow made worse?

Once again, you would still get a Deoxys in ORAS, getting another one in XY would just be a bonus. You DID read the part where I said "Arceus is the least egregious example", right? I have little problem with the Arceus one because, let's be honest, those who got BDSP very likely also get LA so they got two Arceus instead of one for LA. However the opposite isn't true. There was a lot of players who didn't like how BDSP was handled so they didn't buy it instead looking forward of LA. Then they discovered to get the popular Mythical Darkrai they needed to have a copy of BDSP, some whom only option would be buying a copy. Same for BDSP players who didn't get Let's Go for reasons for not liking the change of mechanics only to find they needed a copy in order to get the ever rare Mew.

And sure you could say "But I don't like that game and only want the mythical" but at that point I really can't blame this on the way they are being distributed, much less call it a paywall. This would be the equivalent of saying "I want Dracovish but its only found in SwSh and I don't like those games so I'd be playing only to get one, its a paywall"

Yes, a whole entire game... you didn't want in the first place. "Well then, just don't buy the game and don't get the Mythical"! Yes, that's the end result of this... which, may I remind you, wasn't a thing in the past. Sure, you had to wait for a distribution event, but when it did happen all you were required to have was just a copy of the game the event was for.

Genuinely think this is a much better way to distribute mythicals than the old "We did an event for this mon 7 years ago only distributed in a few countries, not out fault if you missed it" kind of deal and I cannot understand how people think this is locking mythicals behind a paywall instead of being an extra mon that comes with a full game

In ways yes. Though I also gave a suggestion of how both of these methods could be done: that after a few months they would have an event which unlocks the game-locked Mythical to everyone. Are you disagreeing this wouldn't be the ideal way of handling this? You get the game-locked Mythical as both an early bonus for those who had the other game and a way to get the Mythical after the generation ends, and for the rest who didn't want to buy the other game they have the usual limited time event distribution later on so that those who are playing the game at that moment won't miss out getting it.
 
Don't you change the narrative.
You were specifically talking about the Arceus event in BDSP. Not the Arceus you get in LA.
My counterexample was also specifically talking about how to get Deoxys in XY, not ORAS. If you want to get Deoxys in XY, you need to buy two games.

You DID read the part where I said "Arceus is the least egregious example", right? ... However the opposite isn't true.
I admit, I mixed up your position with someone else's from the BDSP thread, which was like "Arceus in BDSP is even worse than Darkrai in LA".

I'm sure we both agree that save file bonus and event distribution put together would be the best outcome, however unlikely it is for Game Freak to do that. The argument is about given the choice between other-game-lock and time-lock, which one is preferable (if only one option can be chosen). My position is that an other-game-lock is always preferable:
In Gen 3, Espeon and Umbreon are unobtainable without linking a Hoenn game and a Kanto game together, and the Johto starters are unobtainable without linking three games (or buying a whole separate console). This may be bad, but ... it would've been preferable if they had been exclusive to time-locked events instead? (There were indeed events that gave out these Pokemon in Gen 3.)
 
Im sorry but it is genuinely pretty stupid to consider those mythicals to be "behind a paywall". I understand where its trying to come from with them technically being unobtainable without spending extra money and I still think its one of the dumbest takes to ever come out of this fandom (and I cannot overstate how much that is saying)

If you have Legends and you buy BDSP for Darkrai, you aren't spending money for a singular darkrai to be added to Legends, you are paying for a whole game in its entirety with Darkrai as a bonus (and Arceus as well since both games have save data mythicals).

And sure you could say "But I don't like that game and only want the mythical" but at that point I really can't blame this on the way they are being distributed, much less call it a paywall. This would be the equivalent of saying "I want Dracovish but its only found in SwSh and I don't like those games so I'd be playing only to get one, its a paywall"

Genuinely think this is a much better way to distribute mythicals than the old "We did an event for this mon 7 years ago only distributed in a few countries, not out fault if you missed it" kind of deal and I cannot understand how people think this is locking mythicals behind a paywall instead of being an extra mon that comes with a full game

Oh, hey, look, more "past distributions were worse so this distribution is good" mixed in with a little bit of gratuitous ego and a complete failure to understand the other side of the argument. I must have accidentally clicked on a Smogon thread.

This must just be what happens when predatory practices are so ingrained into the series that ignorant kids think it's normal. Version exclusives and event distributions a la Arceus in BDSP serve exactly one purpose and one purpose only; marketing. Their single, sole purpose is to convince people to get a game they might otherwise not have gotten. There is no other reason for them to exist; there is no value they bring to the player's play experience over those Pokemon being available in the single game the player purchased. If you're okay with that, good for you I guess, but personally I miss when people bought games because they wanted to play the fucking game, not because they wanted to unlock a character or a piece of content in another game.
 
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