Pokemon Scarlet & Violet - 18th Nov 2022! **OFFICIAL INFO ONLY**

what I expect to happen in The Discourse is for Fuecoco to be counted as a "dragon" (its a big lizard, you see) and then just write off Charizard as the first two gens not counting even though people spent 20 years counting it as a dragon. If nothing else it lets them cast off the albatross around their neck that is the "POKEDEX CALLS CYNDAQUIL A MOUSE" logic while everything else about the design being a...........hedgehog....echidna....porcupine...? That turns into a weaselbadger? & the first run of starters had a bear instead while cyndaquil was a separate non-fire design....
I don't think anyone on either side of the argument is thrilled to be dealing with Cyndaquil, honestly.
 
Nokocchi said:
In USUM, if you show the director at the GF Headquarters a Piloswine caught in Gen II, he states that he designed it because he wanted to complete the Chinese Zodiac among the Pokemon at the time. Which means there IS a Chinese Zodiac among Pokemon, but it is not among the Fire Starters but among the collective of Gen II(or combination of Gen I and Gen II) Pokemon.

Also the arguments you made are pretty strawman-ish since you avoided bringing up two of the three Fire starters people have ACTUAL contention with for the Zodiac theory (Typhlosion and Delphox)
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You want to show me the chicken and tiger in gen I and II? Because it looks like you're claiming Game Freak reaches even more than we do.

Also, yes. The point is the issues people hav with Delphox and Typhlosion are as stupid as people claiming Blaziken isn't a chicken as it doesn't have wings. That was my point.

KaenSoul said:
Now how many of them are rats? or rabbits, or snakes, or dogs, or horses, or goats, or pigs, or monkeys, or dragons?
All are animals we have plenty of, we even have a fire horse that isn't a starter. Like seriously, there is a big difference between a long and an European dragon, Charizard doesn't fit with the corresponding animal as you noted, and should be enough to say the theory has no basis.
Is just a fun theory, we know how the design process for Torchic was and has nothing to do with the zodiac, but who knows, maybe in recent times they decided to use an animal from the Chinese zodiac after hearing the fan theory and thought it would be fun or something.
This is the kind of stuff Game Freak has no idea about until someone asks them in an interview and are surprised by the idea, fans take this stuff way too seriously.
Fuecoco just stays as a crocodile anyway
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And here we have someone proving my point about this ridiculousness by jumping on my charizard example, becoming a parody of themselves.

But sure, I was busy checking anyway. Let's be generous and say that there are 70 dragons, 30 rats, 50 monkeys, 10 pigs, 30 dogs and 20 rabbits in 360 families.

If we say that, then in the first 8 fire starters, you would expect 1.6 dragons and/or 1.1 monkeys, yes. You would also only expect 0.6 recurring rats, 0.02 recurring chickens, 0.2 recurring pigs, 0.6 recurring dogs, 0.02 recurring tigers and/0r 0.4 recurring rabbits. And that's ONLY if you count them SEPPERATLY. If you COMBINE the odds, they get MUCH smaller.
 
It's weird the pokedex calls Cyndaquil a mouse, but BDSP and Legends Arceus reminded me that Bidoof is referred to as the Plump Mouse pokemon, which is probably the most baffling dex categorization they've done

It's a shame Bidoof wasn't a fire starter, then we could get arguments about whether beavers fit the zodiac theory
 
newseeds said:
You want to show me the chicken and tiger in gen I and II? Because it looks like you're claiming Game Freak reaches even more than we do.
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I'm not "claiming" anything, this is legitimately a line in USUM if you show the Game Freak director a Piloswine caught in the Virtual Console versions of Gold, Silver, and Crystal.

" You know Piloswine? I designed that Pokémon. I felt like I had to get all 12 animals in the Chinese zodiac together, you know? "

And while I can't point down which one is the Rooster, the Tiger is probably Raikou. There has been Japanese media that has depicted the Rooster of the Zodiac as a non-chicken bird(like the Anime Fruits Basket, which used a Sparrow), so it could be any bird Pokemon.
 
Nokocchi said:
And while I can't point down which one is the Rooster, the Tiger is probably Raikou. There has been Japanese media that has depicted the Rooster of the Zodiac as a non-chicken bird(like the Anime Fruits Basket, which used a Sparrow), so it could be any bird Pokemon.
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What about Elekid and Magby, or their respective evolutions? Or does THIS pattern only exist in Gen 2?
 
Screenshoting the thread title for no particular reason

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KalosianPorygon said:
WAITWAITWAIT- There's a new Trailer!? And my boy Diglett is here!?
God I sometimes suck at following the news, thanks God for notifications.
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Well not quite, they're doing something on a pokemon special site, just it's in Japanese and I can't for my own good figure how to open the stuff in it..
https://wpes.pokemon.co.jp/ja/

GDI, it's year 2022 and they STILL haven't understood how to make shit intelligible for non-japanese people :|
 
Imperial Magala said:
According to the site, it's not a Diglett, but a brand new Pokemon that looks like Diglett. Something like convergent evolution. Also...
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I was noticing a lot of disappointment around for it not being a regional form.

My guess is that the only reasoning for it being "its own thing" would be if it has significant enough typing / mechanic differences and possibly a significantly different evolution (or doesn't evolve?) to justify that.

The caption text seemed to imply it's a ground type, and tecnically we have precedent for a ground type that lives on the beach (Palossand), and if it's ground type it'd be a somewhat passable first reasoning to justify not being a regional form (as it'd be identical to Diglett).
 
Unrelated to the above, apparently some of the new imagery also shown that pokemon in the overworld seem to have some sort of interaction.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1575048855821127680

Considering that one of the complaints about SwSh was the fact that overworld pokemon just kinda "stood there" and disregarded each other (even when they should be competitors or even sworn enemies), I would think this is a step in the right direction to make the overworld feel more "alive", expecially if SV will be a "pure openworld" as they claim it will.
 
Worldie said:
I was noticing a lot of disappointment around for it not being a regional form.

My guess is that the only reasoning for it being "its own thing" would be if it has significant enough typing / mechanic differences and possibly a significantly different evolution (or doesn't evolve?) to justify that.

The caption text seemed to imply it's a ground type, and tecnically we have precedent for a ground type that lives on the beach (Palossand), and if it's ground type it'd be a somewhat passable first reasoning to justify not being a regional form (as it'd be identical to Diglett).
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A plus to being a completely new Pokemon is a permanent place in a region's Pokedex. Alolan Ninetales and Exeggutor will never move their dex placement to be near Alola while the regional evolutions will always be away from the rest of their line, but this Pokemon will be considered a Paldean Pokemon. Of course, this only matters regarding the national dex that no longer exists within the games, since regional dexes have their own placements.
 
DHR-107 said:
Looks like someones extracted the full video for "Wiglett"
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Wiglett is now my favourite new meme.

Reject Pooper, embrace Wiglett.

I'll be disappointed when the real name won't be anywhere as good =(

Also EZ first post on page 100 :bat:

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Serebii seems to imply that's the actual name. Please don't change it, don't do this to me GF, I'm willing to take all the low polygon trees and 2 FPS animations, let me keep Wiglett and Lechonk :tyke:
 
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