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Not to mention LA has Sinnoh completely morphed and weirdly a separate island despite Shinjoh Ruin's connection to Johto and Sinnoh's Radio tower being connected to Johto's
Clearly the presence of Groudon just increases/decreases the speed of geologic events. e.g island/continent formation
Wait, what?
Also the Sinjoh Ruins aren't in either Johto or Sinnoh. The player gets teleported there.
Not literally, but the Rocket takeover in Johto is directly broadcast in DPP. Given the game's general Johto refs + crossevos you'd assume the regions are near each other
But LA shows otherwise
CHALK?
Sinnoh is based on Hokkaido, Johto is based on the southern part of the main island. Sinnoh was always a stand alone island.
I don't remember the takeover being broadcast in DPP. When does that happen?
Also Sinnoh is directly stated to be to the north of Johto in HGSS, which fits with the real-world geography of the regions they're based on. The Sinjoh Ruins are said to be where people from the two regions met, so would be somewhere in between, not in either region.
EDIT: ninja'd, dammit!
I think there'd be a massive overhaul to the geography no matter what region was used, so I don't think an ancient Unova is so out of the question.
The geography of each region is never completely the same between games anyway; Unova changes shape slightly between BW and B2W2, and Kanto is wildly different in all of its various portrayals. Hell, between BW and B2W2 there's landslides, volcanic eruptions, and a whole load of urban development so I can absolutely accept more major geographic shifts over hundreds of years.
Also, Unova is full of ruins, so depending on how far back you go you've got a bunch of towns/cities anyway. There's the Relic Castle, and White 2 also has ruins uncovered beneath Route 4, so you've got a settlement more or less where Castelia is in the present. There's the Abyssal Ruins, and I could definitely envisage small towns/villages where there'll later be cities for Opelucid, Accumula, and Driftveil.
And ancient Unova should be more natural and less urban than the present-day region. Perhaps Lostlorn Forest was bigger and more sprawling back in the day; there's also the forest the Swords of Justice lived in. It'd be interesting to see a younger, more rustic version of Lacunosa Town that didn't have the modern traditions of everyone hiding indoors at night. The Pokemon League is an old temple so it'd be cool if that was a location, and you could do something with the Entralink too.
CHALK was a extremely popular archetype during gen 6, to the point where iirc the top 8 teams at worlds that year were almost all identical, as by not playing CHALK (or a slight variant of CHALK with a antimeta adaptation) was basically making life harder for yourself for no reason.
By many considered the lowest point of VGC.
It consisted of Cresselia, Amoongus, Landorus-Therian, Heatran, (Mega)Kangaskhan, hence the CHALK
https://pokeventurer.blogspot.com/2015/12/chalk-analyses-better-understanding.html
Compared to even SwSh final worlds
Despite the omnipresence of Incineroar (by many considered by now the best VGC mon ever, though I think it'll have steep competition by Iron Hands next year), there is quite some variety in both pokemon choices and archetype, with both hard TR, semi TR and bulky offense showing up and a pretty healthy selection of support pokemon.
If you're curious, this was the day 2 usage for SV Worlds
and the top cut
More centralized than the year before, with Urshifu in all teams and Flutter Mane being "the mon to beat", most of them are BO though you do have a couple semi TR teams. Incidentally as I mentioned some posts ago, Hyperoffense is basically unplayable, you'd basically end up in "i either win at the lead or lose on the spot" in most matches due to not having switchins.
(It was pretty interesting how Lando-T went from basically unusable in reg D to being all over the place in reg E due to scarf tera flying being super strong into ogerbonk)
We're never ridding of lando-T, no matter how harsh the gen, he always finds its way back xD
I think there’s definitely ways to do ancient unova. There’s plenty of different biomes and landmarks, and they don’t really need to be in a neat circle like LA.
Assuming it’s split into separate areas like Hisui, could easily have a snowy area (Twist Mountain, Dragonspiral Tower), desert area (Relic Castle), and coastal area (undella bay, abyssal ruins). Then could go to the southeast for the basic starting area (with Pinwheel forest) or centre it around Lostlorn Forest or Abundant Shrine. The northeast would work as something similar to the highlands, with Opelucid and Village bridge conceivably existing.
Johto is the other go to for a legends game, but I think that would be way harder to make work as the geography across the region is fairly similar, and would be harder to divide up into interesting regions.
Assuming it’s split into separate areas like Hisui, could easily have a snowy area (Twist Mountain, Dragonspiral Tower), desert area (Relic Castle), and coastal area (undella bay, abyssal ruins). Then could go to the southeast for the basic starting area (with Pinwheel forest) or centre it around Lostlorn Forest or Abundant Shrine. The northeast would work as something similar to the highlands, with Opelucid and Village bridge conceivably existing.
Johto is the other go to for a legends game, but I think that would be way harder to make work as the geography across the region is fairly similar, and would be harder to divide up into interesting regions.
Eh. Even there, you've got a lot of interesting ways to shake up the geography.
- Make Ruins of Alph/Ecruteak City instead of Goldenrod City the centre of the region
- Olivine City is a poor little fishing village rather than a big port
- Combine the Whirl Islands into one big island, as was mentioned in HGSS
- Remove the Lake of Rage from the map (or simply have it be a tiny little river), as it was stated to have been formed from a crater created by a Gyarados rampage that filled with rainwater, and have the whole Mahogany/Mt Mortar region be much wilder and uninhabited
- Dragon's Den would simply be a little-known cave in the mountains where Dragon Tamers train in secret, not a well-known settlement
- Maybe New Bark and Cherrygrove don't even exist at all yet?
- Depending on how far back you go, you could show the story of the Slowpoke ending the drought in Azalea Town and the establishment of the Slowpoke Well
- Ilex Forest could be much larger and untamed, and have an interesting Celebi event attached to it
- In general the land could be way more undeveloped; Dark Cave might not fully exist, and the routes around Tohjo Falls might be larger and more expansive
I don't necessarily want to see all these things, just saying there's a lot of potential there.
I meant more that Johto’s geography just isn’t that interesting and there’s very little variance. It’s definitely not impossible to make work, but it’s difficult to look at the map and come up with multiple biomes that would work for an open world/legends style game without feeling repetitive.
Again, disagree but it depends what they're willing to do with it. Pre DPP the icy area was always just a cave rather than an open snowfield so you can pretty much stick any biome wherever you feel like. Toxic swamp somewhere in Johto? Sure, why not. Volcano in Mt Silver? Yeah, go on.
This 100%
Plus just bring back Ultra Necrozma already you silly GF people.
You almost had me you wascally wabbit.
The best way to do Legends Unova would be to do it Hisui-style with one hub town and a few settlements scattered around, and have everyone think they just made up a past Unova decoupled from the actual history of the NY region. Then, near the climax of the game, the player comes across a large decrepit statue of Pikachu buried in the sand...
About types, if one type desperately needs a buff right now... other than Bug, I would pick Psychic. I swear, it needs to hit more than two types super-effectively and have at least one more resistance.
Stats do matter.
Mawile has a great defensive type (Steel/Fairy) and Intimidate, yet it is considered a shitmon outside of Mega. 
Why? Because of its stats. Same with a lot of less viable Intimidate users. 
Some have good typings, some have good movepools, but all have not-so-great stats that make these hard to use well in higher tiers.
Iron Hands, meanwhile, is an example of a strong Pokémon who's great because of its stats more than its Ability, as pointed out by Samtendo09:
Immunity to hazards is useful to several Pokémon, and it also has a drawback of, get this, using the item slot, so you have to choose between something like a damage boost versus damage prevention.
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Nailed it.
Stats do matter.
Mawile has a great defensive type (Steel/Fairy) and Intimidate, yet it is considered a shitmon outside of Mega. Why? Because of its stats. Same with a lot of less viable Intimidate users. Some have good typings, some have good movepools, but all have not-so-great stats that make these hard to use well in higher tiers.Iron Hands, meanwhile, is an example of a strong Pokémon who's great because of its stats more than its Ability, as pointed out by Samtendo09:------
I don't mind the Heavy-Duty Boots at all.
Immunity to hazards is useful to several Pokémon, and it also has a drawback of, get this, using the item slot, so you have to choose between something like a damage boost versus damage prevention.------
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Ultra Space's blue-skinned folks made me ask soooooooo many questions. To start with the basics:
- What is their culture, their society? How is life in these buildings you can't enter?
- How do they raise Pokémon?
- How did they discover Ultra Beasts, like the Cosmog line, or Necrozma?
- When did they first meet us, if ever?
- Do they regularly check alternate universes?
- Were they related biologically to humans?
Can they mate humans?
i agree with psychic needing one more resistance (i vote fairy), but alternatively to another type being weak to it, i think steel should lose the psychic resistance, which would put psychic on the same level of ghost and dark. it's ironic because steel was created partly to balance psychic in gen 2 and now psychic is too undertuned.
No, that would just make offensive Psychics ridiculous, since most have Fairy coverage for the Dark types. If Steel lost its resistance to Psychic, the only combos that resist Psychic/Fairy coverage would be Steel/Psychic and Fire/Psychic, not a lot of mons for a coverage combo that is so common on fast Pokémon. If anything, Dark and Ghost have become a bit too powerful without the Steel resistance, having Steel keep the Psychic resistance is fine. Psychic is pretty balanced for now, most Psychic types have good coverage and they benefit from most Steel types lacking reliable recovery so they can be worn down; remember PsySpam is/was a viable strategy. The only real problem is that Ghost has nearly the same place in the typechart but is just more overtuned
well, if they took the offensive AND the defensive suggestion i mentioned, psychic/fairy coverage would be handily resisted by... psychic-types, much like psychic/fighting is right now. i do agree that, without that, it does make the combination too good for how accessible it is for mons of both types
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