M&M Mix and Mega Resources

[QT]

Mix & Mega Viability Rankings
(Last Updated on December 3rd, 2024)​

Once again, it's time (past time really) for another VR update!

Rises

Arceus-Ghost Rose from B+ to A-
Arceus-Water Rose from B+ to A-
Archaludon Rose from C to C+
Basculegion-F Rose from C to B-
Basculegion-M Rose from C to B-
Ceruledge Rose from B- to A-
Clodsire Rose from B to B+
Cresselia Rose from B- to B
Great Tusk Rose from A- to A
Hippowdon Rose from B+ to A-
Hoopa-U Rose from B- to B+
Indeedee Rose from C to B-
Iron Crown Rose from C to B+
Iron Moth Rose from C to B-
Kommo-o Rose from UR to C
Lunala Rose from A- to A
Magearna Rose from A- to A+
Mandibuzz Rose from B+ to A-
Necrozma-DM Rose from B- to B
Pecharunt Rose from B to A-
Raging Bol Rose from B+ to A-
Swampert Rose from UR to C
Urshifu-R Rose from A to A+
Walking Wake Rose from B+ to A

Drops

Arcanine-Hisui Fell from A to A-
Arceus-Poison Fell from B- to C
Barraskewda Fell from B- to C
Baxcalibur Fell from B+ to B
Chien Pao Fell from B to C
Corviknight Fell from A to A-
Eternatus Fell from S to A+
Heatran Fell from B to B-
Kilowattrel Fell from A- to B
Lugia Fell from A- to Unranked
Samurott-Hisui Fell from A to B+
Scream TailFell from B to B-
Slowbro Fell from B to C
Slowking-Galar Fell from A- to B+
Weavile Fell from B to B-
Zapdos Fell from B to B-
Zapdos-Galar Fell from B- to C

 

[RainebowValiant]

The Mega Stone Guide is insanely outdated, is it getting an update? /genq I'm wondering. Especially since the Red Orb ban and the Aggronite change.

 

[Time2Bonk]

The Mega Stone Guide is insanely outdated, is it getting an update? /genq I'm wondering. Especially since the Red Orb ban and the Aggronite change.

Can't speak for the mega guide itself but we are planning on going through & updating all resources soon, it's just that it's the holidays right now, which means that most of us are busy but expect some updates the coming month :)

 

[Imw0rstadP0keM0n]

So, was the Aggronite change actually useful to any mon? I can't really find a case where's its a positive outside of shitmons like Trevenant lmao, what with the relevance of Ground/Fight supremacy

 

[RainebowValiant]

So, was the Aggronite change actually useful to any mon? I can't really find a case where's its a positive outside of shitmons like Trevenant lmao, what with the relevance of Ground/Fight supremacy

Zamazenta is no longer weak to pixelate espeed, and most other common users now resist it. Idk how much that matters but it probably makes zama slightly better

 

[Lightniong]

Zamazenta is no longer weak to pixelate espeed, and most other common users now resist it. Idk how much that matters but it probably makes zama slightly better

Agronomem iron press zama gon go crazy

 

[Time2Bonk]

Resource update! I've gone ahead and updated the Speed Tiers as well as the Role Compendium. As usual, if you find any mistakes or think that something's missing, feel free to reach out and I'll fix it. In addition...

With some much appreciated help from Chessking345 we now have a Tiering History! It will (hopefully) get added to the OP, but as for now you can find it just below:

Tiering History:

Click to see dates and links for each action

Date
Nov 18, 2022	[Gen 9] Mix and Mega goes live on Pokemon Showdown!
Nov 22, 2022	Miraidon quickbanned, Iron Bundle restricted
Dec 4, 2022	Kilowattrel restricted
Dec 12, 2022	Koraidon quickbanned
Feb 22, 2023	Sandy Shocks suspected
Mar 8, 2023	Sandy Shocks restricted via suspect, New item-based forme changes added
Mar 10, 2023	Roaring Moon restricted
Mar 13, 2023	Rusted Sword quickbanned, Roaring Moon unrestricted
Mar 20, 2023	Dragapult restricted, Terastallization suspected
Apr 6, 2023	Terastallization banned via suspect
May 7, 2023	Gholdengo suspected
May 18, 2023	Gholdengo suspect cancelled
May 20, 2023	Gholdengo restricted
May 30, 2023	Pokémon HOME is live, Sandy Shocks, Koraidon, Kilowattrel, Urshifu-Rapid-Strike unrestricted
May 31, 2023	Koraidon quickbanned, Gholdengo unrestricted
June 2, 2023	Kyogre quickbanned, Zapdos, Sneasler, Kilowattrel restricted
June 10, 2023	Eternatus quickbanned, Basculegion-M restricted
June 18, 2023	Gholdengo, Urshifu-Rapid-Strike restricted
July 13, 2023	Magearna suspected
July 25, 2023	Magearna remains unrestricted via suspect
July 27, 2023	Pidgeotite suspected
Aug 9, 2023	Pidgeotite banned via suspect, Zapdos unrestricted
Sept 22, 2023	Manaphy restricted
Sept 23, 2023	Ogerpon Masks are added as transformation items
Oct 19, 2023	Ursaluna-Bloodmoon restricted
Oct 22, 2023	Jolteon suspected
Nov 7, 2023	Jolteon restricted by suspect, Enamorus restricted
Dec 16, 2023	DLC 2 is live, Eternatus unbanned, Urshifu-Rapid-Strike unrestricted
Jan 29, 2024	Eternatus suspected
Feb 12, 2024	Eternatus remains unbanned via suspect
Mar 7, 2024	Urshifu-Rapid-Strike suspected
Mar 23, 2024	Urshifu-Rapid-Strike remains unrestricted via suspect
May 5, 2024	Gouging Fire suspected
May 20, 2024	Gouging Fire restricted via suspect
May 27, 2024	Red Orb suspected
June 11, 2024	Red Orb banned via suspect
June 13, 2024	Enamorus, Jolteon unrestricted
July 1, 2024	Solgaleo restricted
July 20, 2024	Kilowattrel unrestricted
Nov 9, 2024	Lugia suspected
Nov 25, 2024	Lugia restricted via suspect
Dec 12, 2024	Aggronite changed
Jan 6, 2025	Dragapult suspected
Jan 30, 2025	Dragapult unrestricted via suspect
Feb 3, 2025	Plates, Memories & Drives are added as transformation items

 

[RainebowValiant]

Resource update! I've gone ahead and updated the Speed Tiers as well as the Role Compendium. As usual, if you find any mistakes or think that something's missing, feel free to reach out and I'll fix it. In addition...

With some much appreciated help from Chessking345 we now have a Tiering History! It will (hopefully) get added to the OP, but as for now you can find it just below:

Tiering History:

Click to see dates and links for each action

Date
Nov 18, 2022	[Gen 9] Mix and Mega goes live on Pokemon Showdown!
Nov 22, 2022	Miraidon quickbanned, Iron Bundle restricted
Dec 4, 2022	Kilowattrel restricted
Dec 12, 2022	Koraidon quickbanned
Feb 22, 2023	Sandy Shocks suspected
Mar 8, 2023	Sandy Shocks restricted via suspect, New item-based forme changes added
Mar 10, 2023	Roaring Moon restricted
Mar 13, 2023	Rusted Sword quickbanned, Roaring Moon unrestricted
Mar 20, 2023	Dragapult restricted, Terastallization suspected
Apr 6, 2023	Terastallization banned via suspect
May 7, 2023	Gholdengo suspected
May 18, 2023	Gholdengo suspect cancelled
May 20, 2023	Gholdengo restricted
May 30, 2023	Pokémon HOME is live, Sandy Shocks, Koraidon, Kilowattrel, Urshifu-Rapid-Strike unrestricted
May 31, 2023	Koraidon quickbanned, Gholdengo unrestricted
June 2, 2023	Kyogre quickbanned, Zapdos, Sneasler, Kilowattrel restricted
June 10, 2023	Eternatus quickbanned, Basculegion-M restricted
June 18, 2023	Gholdengo, Urshifu-Rapid-Strike restricted
July 13, 2023	Magearna suspected
July 25, 2023	Magearna remains unrestricted via suspect
July 27, 2023	Pidgeotite suspected
Aug 9, 2023	Pidgeotite banned via suspect, Zapdos unrestricted
Sept 22, 2023	Manaphy restricted
Sept 23, 2023	Ogerpon Masks are added as transformation items
Oct 19, 2023	Ursaluna-Bloodmoon restricted
Oct 22, 2023	Jolteon suspected
Nov 7, 2023	Jolteon restricted by suspect, Enamorus restricted
Dec 16, 2023	DLC 2 is live, Eternatus unbanned, Urshifu-Rapid-Strike unrestricted
Jan 29, 2024	Eternatus suspected
Feb 12, 2024	Eternatus remains unbanned via suspect
Mar 7, 2024	Urshifu-Rapid-Strike suspected
Mar 23, 2024	Urshifu-Rapid-Strike remains unrestricted via suspect
May 5, 2024	Gouging Fire suspected
May 20, 2024	Gouging Fire restricted via suspect
May 27, 2024	Red Orb suspected
June 11, 2024	Red Orb banned via suspect
June 13, 2024	Enamorus, Jolteon unrestricted
July 1, 2024	Solgaleo restricted
July 20, 2024	Kilowattrel unrestricted
Nov 9, 2024	Lugia suspected
Nov 25, 2024	Lugia restricted via suspect
Dec 12, 2024	Aggronite changed
Jan 6, 2025	Dragapult suspected
Jan 30, 2025	Dragapult unrestricted via suspect
Feb 3, 2025	Plates, Memories & Drives are added as transformation items

Thank you Slither Wing you really first my impressions

 

[QT]

Mini VR Update! Nothing major has changed since the last slate, but we've got some rises and drops to reflect shifting metagame trends.

Rises

Walking Wake A to A+
Ceruledge A- to A
Pecharunt A- to A
Milotic B to B+
Zamazenta B to B+
Entei UR to B
Iron Treads UR to B-

drops

Regieleki S to A+
Arceus Ground A+ to A
Urshifu-RS A+ to A
Sandy Shocks A- to B+
Samurott-H B+ to B

 

[Siamato]

Nominating for C rank

Don't get me wrong, this mon isn't good. However, after playing it for a while cuz it seemed to be funny, I can quite confidently tell you that it gets a niche there.

A few things make it interesting:

- Has an insane special bulk able to withstand hits like Hpump from Lucar/Diancite Wake.
- Somehow resist pixispeed (be careful of Supercell Slam Eleki pre-mega, EQ from Dnite, Fire STAB from HK9 or Entei pre-mega).
- Is a consistent switch-in to Eternatus being able to pivot out.
- Is a consistent switch-in to Magearna but doesn't threat it much (Heat Wave annoys it at least).
- Is a consistent switch-in to Darkrai, Kilo, Kommo-o, Stail (non Psychic coverage) and Zapdos
- Is a switch-in to Raging Bolt, Moth and Spectrier but his likely to lose 1v1 so it's more of a pivot against them.
- Decent Garga check by virtue of double resist to IronPress + only takes 12,5% from Salt Cure. Can threat poison if Psalt has been removed.
- Can force out a few Arceus-form by virtue of threatening poison and being able to withstand Judgment at +1.
- Very useful ability pre-mega able to spread poison by just clicking U-Turn which is super valuable against bulky teams or bulky setup.

I ran Manectite cuz I already had a user of Sablenite. I think both are fine as well as Latiasite (even though Fezan is still quite bad against some common Ground, even with Levitate). Venu is prob okayish too being able to handle Weavile or Pixispeed Fire type more consistently.

Fezandipiti (M) @ Manectite 
Ability: Toxic Chain 
Tera Type: Poison 
EVs: 248 HP / 104 Def / 156 SpD 
Calm Nature 
- Sludge Bomb 
- Heat Wave 
- U-turn 
- Roost

 

[zastra]

The transformation item guide is now updated! New items (plates/memories/drives) have been added, mentions of Red Orb and other banned things removed, and Rusted Sword has been moved from banned to offensive items category. I've also added all the latest metagame trends in writeups, edited in sprites of common users, and made a few shifts in categories. There's also a new spoiler on top items now. If you notice any mistakes, please DM me!

 

[Solosis]

Here's my Personal MnM VR (ik its pretty inaccurate and weird since I added too many bad mons especially in the lower tiers cuz they were funny....)

Open at your own risks :)

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S Rank:
Magearna

S- Rank:
Garganacl
Regieleki

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A+ Rank:
Ceruledge
Dragonite
Great Tusk
Pecharunt
Raging Bolt
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

A Rank:
Arceus-Ghost
Arceus-Ground
Eternatus

A- Rank:
Arceus-Fairy
Ho-Oh
Kingambit
Lunala
Spectrier

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B+ Rank:
Arcanine-Hisui
Arceus-Water
Clodsire
Corviknight
Entei
Mandibuzz
Zamazenta

B Rank:
Arceus
Arceus-Poison
Deoxys-Speed
Groudon
Hoopa-Unbound
Iron Boulder
Iron Crown
Milotic
Samurott-Hisui
Sandy Shocks
Swampert

B- Rank:
Basculegion
Basculegion-F
Baxcalibur
Hippowdon
Indeedee-F
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane
Slowking-Galar
Zapdos

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C+ Rank:
Calyrex-Ice
Cresselia
Darkrai
Kilowattrel
Scream Tail

C Rank:
Archaludon
Dragapult
Heatran
Kommo-o

C- Rank:
Annihilape
Arceus-Electric
Bruxish
Chien-Pao
Dugtrio
Gastrodon
Giratina
Iron Moth
Iron Treads
Ursaluna
Weavile

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D Rank:
Alomomola
Barraskewda
Excadrill
Kyurem
Gyarados
Landorus-Therian
Magnezone
Pelipper
Sinistcha
Slowbro
Slowking
Toxapex
Thundurus
Volcarona
Zapdos-Galar

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[Giagantic]

So just gonna repeat what I said in the MnM section of OMcord.

Pecharunt for A+

Pecharunt whilst not all that flexible in terms of moves more then makes up for it with its tools at hand in tandem with the stones available in MnM. Even the moves it does have and use are all very valuable and allow it to do things ranging from pivoting (parting shot), to setting up (nasty plot), and more. Latiasite Pecharunt is extremely potent into many of the tiers greatest threats, and capable of punishing them with Malignant Chains or Shadow Balls, choice of parting shot or nasty plot is entirely team dependent and player dependent. Other stones include Sablenite, Diancite, and Gyaradosite, all of which modify the role of Pecharunt with only slight changes to the move set. It is central to MnM metagame as far as I am concerned capable of handling most physical threats, even trading into some super effective hits due to the amazing defensive stat, and can also handle weak special attackers with special defense investment. The Mon is just so valuable.

 

[FlamPoke]

Between my two alts I've played ~100 games of MnM the past two weeks (mostly just clicking while at work...) and want to contribute some opinions on my personal VR. All of the tiers are ordered alphabetically and I'll try to mention relevant items where I feel they fit. Viewer discretion is advised.

S:
Nothing. I agree with the VR as it is now, not any one mon stands out above the rest!

A+:
- Altarianite and Pinsirite are both equally devastating
- I think Sablenite is the best option but regardless of item it is quite annoying to handle Salt Cure chip
- Latiasite is borderline A to me at times but it is a very effective defensive pivot into a lot of ESpeed stuff and pyu sold me on Grass Knot the other day in the OM room which is actually super nifty
- Although my own success with Diancite sets was kinda mixed, Gia certainly proved it is a potent offensive threat. Gyaradosite is really splashable and Latiasite is okay as well
- Altarianite and Glalitite are both equally devastating, it's also a great pivot to get other mons into good spots

A:
/ - Lumping these two together, Ground is a nice offensive threat and Water is a great defensive mon
- Not much can take a +2 Lucarionite Poltergeist and it has plenty of teammates that can get it advantageous matchups
- Life Orb sets are really tough to switch into and Rocky Helmet is one of the best ways to deter Urshifu from clicking buttons
- Defensive and offensive sets are equally effective, with Pinsirite standing out as one of my favorite items overall
- I am Hippo-pilled, I love Sablenite Whirlwind sets so so much in this meta
- Deceptively strong breaker that struggles to hit the field at times but can blow stuff up like few others
- Lucarionite sets are one or two clicks away from just taking down every mon that isn't an ESpeed mon (I click Volt on the Dragonite because I know it's clicking DD...)
- One of the trickiest mons to manuever around, Metagrossite RS is so strong

A-:
- Intimidate is sneaky good prior to using your Mega and then it has two great choices in Altaranite and Pinsirite, to go along with Morning Sun as well
/ - Ghost is strong, Fairy is great offensively or defensively, good mons
- Altarianite Entei (Adamant especially) is really dynamic into a lot of standard Magearna + Urshifu teams
- One of the premiere defensive pivots that can also use Whirlwind to great effect, good mon
- Another excellent defensive pivot with a ton of utility, Aggronite sets are quite good
- I could maybe argue Aggronite Zama to A but the combination of that + Lopunnite fit fine in A-

B+:

Metagrossite Iron Boulder is deceptively strong and Milotic is pretty good at defensive pivoting and anti-setup

B:


B-: