Interestingly enough, you now can have Volt Absorb Zapdos, which is a lot more interesting than Pressure. Zapdos can now become a neat counter to Electric-types and Flying-types at the same time, which is pretty rare.
You don't get multiple abilities, just one. Speed boost regular beedrill that mega evolves might work, but it likes to pivot and is stupidly fast already.spewing out thoughts. sorry if they have already been mentioned
also do both effects activate if a Pokemon has Motor Drive and Lightningrod at the same time and the same for Water Absorb and Storm Drain?
- Prankster Zapdos if you need it?
- Mega-Beedrill 2.0 with Scolipede + Adaptability + Speed Boost You could also use Tinted Lens.
Also OMotM! Yay!was the archeops ban just because it is banned in many tiers, or did someone test it?
it only gets abilities from aerodactyl (ofc though claws or rock head head smash are strong), but i think there are more things that are concerning.
Tell that to it's offensive capabilities (140 Atk, 110 Speed)
like adaptability cobalion or normal lucario
intimidate or unaware chansey
Better yet, Regenerator
protean/serene grace (bodyslam/headbutt)/download/scrappy on every normal only type
Indeed, as well as other things like Contrary, Regenerator (as mentioned above), Defiant, Guts, Quick Feet, Technician, Intimidate, Unaware, Natural Cure, Sheer Force, and holy shit pure Normal gets a lot of abilities.
will moody and evasion (sand veil) be banned?
"All OU bans are the same" in first post
rip Follow the Leader's hopes and dreamsCongratulations on winning Other Metagame of the Month April!
Gratz on stall team,Since this is OMotM I want to discuss a few things.
First of all, stall looks great here. Here's a sample stall team I made (shoutouts AllJokesAside for helping me tweak it, and Lcass4919 for helping me test, which caused me to tweak a couple other things heh).
Chansey @ Eviolite
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
- Heal Bell
- Seismic Toss
Porygon2 @ Eviolite
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
- Foul Play
- Tri Attack
Manaphy @ Assault Vest
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
IVs: 0 Spe
- Knock Off
Aromatisse @ Leftovers
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk
Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
- Stealth Rock
- Slack Off
Mew @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk
This seems like a pretty good example of what stall will be like in this meta. I build around the Unaware P2 + Regen Chansey core, and then tried to support it. Aromatisse handles most physical Fighting-types, Knock Off users, and helps with Talonflame (in particular boosted Fighting-types such as Chesnaught). PDef Regenvest Manaphy handles Gengar and Keldeo (as well as stuff like mixed Lucario that could be threatening to the Normal-types + Aromatisse) as well as checking Talonflame. Hippo is there for Rocks and being fat, as well as checking Dnite, although DNite should be banned as it can even 2HKO a behemoth like Hippo (more on this later). Finally, Mew acts as a stallbreaker for opposing stall, as well as a Defogger and a good anti-lead. The Regen core of Manaphy and Chansey is absolutely fantastic, and the Unaware core of P2+Aromatisse does a lot against set up spam. Foul Play is neat on P2 for DD/BD/SD users, as well as Contrary (which will likely run rampant).
Next thing I want to talk about--why is Prankster banned? I don't really see how it's too OP tbh. There are more users in AAA, and there are blenty of bouncers and priority users to keep them in check. At least give it a test? Let's look at some of the users:
I can't see Prankster being more broken than some of the current stuff in the meta, like DNite waddafuq why is this legal.
- Mew would likely be the best user overall with TauntWisp and recovery. Me First is also neat. Cress could be neat to get a fast CM up, but Hoopa-U being common is going to hurt it. Copycat Mesprit seems like a neat gimmick but it isn't really powerful.
- Spiritomb seems like a worse Sableye.
- Zapdos could be neat but not broken. All it really gains is the ability to Roost first, plus get a Toxic off before it faints I guess. Rotom-Fan and Emolga are terrible.
- Cofagrigus and Dusknoir are very niche. Mismagius could be a stallbreaker? P frail tho, Mew is better. Dusclops could have a niche maybe? I doubt it would be overly good though.
- Mandibuzz could be useful, but I don't see how it's broken. Prank Taunt + Roost is neat, but Mew gets the same thing, it just has a different typing. Honchkrow prefers Dark Aura.
- Accelgor might be able to get another layer of Spikes up, but it already outspeeds everything and no other pure Bugs want it.
- Fighting-types have better things to do, like use Guts or No Guard, and don't want Prankster.
- Mawile is bad.
- Tornadus is the only pure Flying-type.
- Umbreon seems decent but likely prefers Intimidate or Magic Bounce. Absol prefers Illusion pre-Mega, the other pure Dark-types are bad.
DRAGONITE. How the fuck is this not banned yet? Every meta it gains Aerilate in, it's so OP it's banned. Even in MIX AND MEGA, where a whole bunch of mons gained great bulk, it had virtually no counters and was banned. Banned in AAA, banned in Metagamiate, banned in Mix and Mega. And it has less counters here. The Choice Band set demolishes everything. Extreme Speed is a nightmare for offense to face (with the only checks basically being Electric-types with Intimidate), and it gets EQ for them, or it just proceeds to 2HKO them with Double-Edge. You literally need an extremely bulky resist to check it, and even then it has EQ and Fire Punch :/ Here's a calc against an incredibly bulky physical mon--Hippo:
252+ Atk Choice Band Aerilate Dragonite Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 276-325 (65.7 - 77.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
And now Skarm:
252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 158-186 (47.3 - 55.6%) -- 21.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Aerilate Dragonite Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 122-144 (36.5 - 43.1%) -- 98.6% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
It doesn't even need to predict! If you get Rocks up and 20%ish on Skarm, it gets 2HKOd by Double-Edge guaranteed even if low rolls. Or you could just run Magnet Pull and spam ESpeed for days. It single handedly demolishes stall--nothing can switch in. It revenge kills almost everything on offense, and its checks that aren't Steel-types (which MagPull handles) are really obvious and generally lack recovery (see: Mega Manectric, Raikou). I really don't know what to say, its power speaks for itself, and I wouldn't be surprised if many matches come down to whose DNite wins the speed tie.
TL;DR: Stall is cool, give Prank an unban test at the very least, ban dnite plz
Am I the only person whose list actually did ignore all of the exclusive type combos?Considering the unique premise of this game, I have decided to list the available Abilities in alphabetical order, excluding exclusive lines and types (like the Zubat line and Hawlucha), to make it easier to check what Ability a specific Pokémon can get.
Heracross and mega have different abilities, Houndoom and mega have different abilities, Hydregion and zwelious have different abilities, as do torn-t/aero, and I mentioned tyrantrum.Am I the only person whose list actually did ignore all of the exclusive type combos?
Exclusive type combos you included: Bug/Fighting (Heracross + Mega), Bug/Ground (Wormadam, listed twice), Dark/Dragon (Hydreigon line), Dark/Fire (Houndoom +Mega, listed twice), Dragon/Rock (Tyrantrum line, listed twice), Pure Flying (Tornadus forms), Flying/Rock (Aerodactyl + Mega, unless you wanna use Archen, 'cause Archeops is banned. Also, listed twice)
Addendum to this (you probably knew this but just forgot to mention it): Wormadam-S doesn't have a unique type combination; it's shared with Nincada. Easy to forget though as Nincada isn't fully evolved and also it's awfulHeracross and mega have different abilities, Houndoom and mega have different abilities, Hydregion and zwelious have different abilities, as do torn-t/aero, and I mentioned tyrantrum.
Also all double typed mons are listed twice.