AbNormal {Community Project} [Voting Phase]

Baton Pass (New type: Psychic)

Happiny, Igglybuff, Cleffa, Audino

Just gave it to some support mons, because honestly what the hell is the flavor for Baton Pass. Not much else to say, except that these mons would get pretty interesting with Baton Pass (Blissey passing those huge subs is fun).

Wrap (New type: Poison)

Gyarados, Onyx, Scolipede

Just grabbed some stuff that looked like they could Wrap that didn't learn it. Not much else here - Wrap isn't going to change the meta anytime soon.
 
Mind Reader
Fighting type

Why: Because it's primarily learned by Fighting types and is described more in terms of predicting your opponent with Yomi than with literal mind reading. Note that the original No Guard Pokémon is a Fighting type, not a Psychic type.

Nature Power
Ground type

Why: Because everybody else already did Grass. :(

But seriously, Ground is the type most closely connected to Earthiness after Grass, and Nature Power reacts to the ground you're standing on. (Or floating above, whatever) It actually does make sense.

Reflect Type
Psychic type

Why: Mostly learned by Psychic types, and frankly the effect is completely inexplicable.

Refresh
Psychic type

Why: "The user rests to restore itself" is about the only information we've gotten about it, beyond it's graphic. Rest is Psychic type. So...

Wrap
Recipients: Vigoroth, Muk

Why: Stretching here. For Vigoroth, it has Slack Off (recovery) and could plausibly go for a bearhug, which is kind of like wrapping around someone... I guess... while Muk just... uh... lays on things and is a Poison type.

I'm really stretching here, honestly. The good ones are all taken. :(

Baton Pass
Recipients: Torkoal, Latias, Tropius, Mothim

Why: All Pokémon with useful stat boosters to pass off that don't already get it. (And other than Latias could use the boost, competitively)

HUZZAH FOR THE FINAL ROUND PLAY WILL BE SOON!
 
Refresh
Water Type

One of the simplest ways of getting refreshed and less sleepy is rinsing with water, and it makes sense too, as with water you can heal burns better, while that status is the main reason some Arceus run Refresh along with ESpeed.
 
For possibly the last time... It's Voting Time!
If you do not know how to vote, please read the OP.
If your submission is fused with another's yet you want your submission to be separate, notify me asap, and if your submission is not included, it is because someone already used the same justification.


Xerneas
Yanma
Carvanha
Shellder
Shelmet (This and above by GiveUsYourBones)
Azelf
Uxie
Merspirit
Swoobat
Reuniclus (This and above by LordAbbadon)
Happiny
Igglybuff
Cleffa
Audino (This and above by The Reptile)
Torkoal
Latias
Tropius
Mothim (This and above by Ghoul King)

Octillery
Carnivine
Ferrothorn (This and above by Springtrap)
Eelektross
Malamar
Venusaur
Greninja (This and above by LordAbbadon)
Gyarados
Onix
Scolipede (This and above by The Reptile)
Vigoroth
Muk (This and above by Ghoul King)



Psychic (Springtrap/LordAbbadon)
Fighting (GiveUsYourBones/Ghoul King)

Grass (Springtrap)
Ground (Ghoul King)

Psychic (Springtrap/Ghoul King)
Steel (LordAbbadon)
Ice (MegaGallade) Justification: Ice reflects things. Also, we haven't got many normal type moves that have been retyped to Ice.

Water (Springtrap/Amitghosh)
Psychic (YellowSkarmory/Ghoul King)
Fairy (LordAbbadon)


To keep the thread alive, here are a few discussion points from the previous week's changes and more:
  • Which entries/recipient options for this week do you agree/disagree with? [Remember: Be to the point and decisive, no hate]
  • Do you think any of last week's Recipient-Pokemon will get more usage because of these new moves and why?
  • Are there any unanswered questions you want to know specifically about this Pet Mod? If so, please tag me when asking the question and I will reply.

Once again, thanks for submitting, and get voting!
 

Estronic

mechanical fever
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Which entries/recipient options for this week do you agree/disagree with? [Remember: Be to the point and decisive, no hate]
I agree with almost all of the entries here, all of them seem reasonable enough.
Do you think any of last week's Recipient-Pokemon will get more usage because of these new moves and why?
I believe Bronzong will have its usage higher with Heal Bell, as it can set up hazards plus heal its team from status.
Are there any unanswered questions you want to know specifically about this Pet Mod? If so, please tag me when asking the question and I will reply.
Yes I do. MegaGallade, what lies ahead of us in Abnormal? As in new additions, maybe some viable movesets, etc.
 
For possibly the last time... It's Voting Time!
If you do not know how to vote, please read the OP.
If your submission is fused with another's yet you want your submission to be separate, notify me asap, and if your submission is not included, it is because someone already used the same justification.


Xerneas
Yanma
Carvanha
Shellder
Shelmet (This and above by GiveUsYourBones)
Azelf
Uxie
Merspirit
Swoobat
Reuniclus (This and above by LordAbbadon)
Happiny
Igglybuff
Cleffa
Audino (This and above by The Reptile)
Torkoal
Latias
Tropius
Mothim (This and above by Ghoul King)

Octillery
Carnivine
Ferrothorn (This and above by Springtrap)
Eelektross
Malamar
Venusaur
Greninja (This and above by LordAbbadon)
Gyarados
Onix
Scolipede (This and above by The Reptile)
Vigoroth
Muk (This and above by Ghoul King)



Psychic (Springtrap/LordAbbadon)
Fighting (GiveUsYourBones/Ghoul King)

Grass (Springtrap)
Ground (Ghoul King)

Psychic (Springtrap/Ghoul King)
Steel (LordAbbadon)
Ice (MegaGallade) Justification: Ice reflects things. Also, we haven't got many normal type moves that have been retyped to Ice.

Water (Springtrap/Amitghosh)
Psychic (YellowSkarmory/Ghoul King)
Fairy (LordAbbadon)


To keep the thread alive, here are a few discussion points from the previous week's changes and more:
  • Which entries/recipient options for this week do you agree/disagree with? [Remember: Be to the point and decisive, no hate]
  • Do you think any of last week's Recipient-Pokemon will get more usage because of these new moves and why?
  • Are there any unanswered questions you want to know specifically about this Pet Mod? If so, please tag me when asking the question and I will reply.

Once again, thanks for submitting, and get voting!
Any reason why my psychic mind reader and grass nature power weren't included?
 
I don't know much about coding and servers and whatnot, but after we get everything taken care of, how long will it take for this to be playable somewhere?
 
Psychic Mind Reader
Mothim and Lake Trio for BP
Octillery, Eelektross, Malamar, and Onix for Wrap
Ice Reflect Type
Water Refresh
 

Pikachuun

the entire waruda machine
is a Pre-Contributor
I don't know much about coding and servers and whatnot, but after we get everything taken care of, how long will it take for this to be playable somewhere?
Coding appears to be simple, but tedious, so about 1-2 hours of non-stop work in that area, not counting debugging. Since I test my code when I do it, if I decide to code this meta once it's complete, it would be on my server. Other servers like Aqua and Eos depend on the owner's preference.
 
Coding appears to be simple, but tedious, so about 1-2 hours of non-stop work in that area, not counting debugging. Since I test my code when I do it, if I decide to code this meta once it's complete, it would be on my server. Other servers like Aqua and Eos depend on the owner's preference.
Actually, NotACoolName and I have been doing the coding, and everything up to the latest slate has already been done. https://github.com/idunnowhy9000/PS-Mods/tree/master/abnormal contains most of the current code, though NotACoolName hasn't updated in a couple of months so the code I've written for the last few slates is not in the git.

There are some other things that haven't been addressed, such as the fact that Roost does not currently switch the user to Ground type if they're pure Flying, but most of the work has been done.
 
Votes are in!

+Baton Pass (By GiveUsYourBones )
+Wrap (By Springtrap <Oct & Car>, Lord Abbadon <Ven> and The Reptile <On> )

Mind Reader Fighting (By GiveUsYourBones and Ghoul King )
Nature Power Grass (By Springtrap )
Reflect Type Psychic (By Springtrap and Ghoul King )
Refresh Psychic (By Yellow Skarmory and Ghoul King )


Thanks to all that submitted!
And now...

To keep the thread alive, here are a few discussion points from this week's changes and more:
  • Do you think any of this week's Recipient-Pokemon will get advantages because of these new moves and why?
  • What else do you want to do once the project resumes?
  • Are there any unanswered questions you want to know specifically about this Pet Mod? If so, please tag me when asking the question and I will reply when possible.

I'm not really good with words, but, thanks to all who have submitted since the start, in the middle, or even just submitted once, and thanks to all who supported the project thus far. The project is not over, don't worry. In almost exactly 2 weeks the project will resume, but I am fairly busy for the next few weeks. For now, the project is getting a 2 week hiatus, and when we come back, there will be many more things to do, so stay tuned. ;)

Guess that's it. Thanks again. Sorry for the anti-climactic 'ending' of sorts, but it isn't over, not yet. :]
 
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•What else do you want to do once the project resumes?
PLAY THE DAMN META.

Beyond that I'm not really imagining any worthwhile goals to pursue until Generation VII rolls around and forces us to convert the new Normal typed Pokémon and moves.

•Do you think any of this week's Recipient-Pokemon will get advantages because of these new moves and why?
I dunno, maybe Yanmega will turn out to be a useful Baton Passer, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Overall I suspect the moves being passed out last week will be pretty inconsequential.
 
Welcome to the flip-side! AbNormal has returned!

Instead of blabbering on about the triumphant return, I'd like to get straight to the point:
The Revision Phase has begun!

What is the Revision Phase, you may ask? Well, AbNormal has had its fair share of... 'meh' submissions (no offense to anyone... cough cough circle throw sawsbuck what cough cough) that have caused many missed opportunities. In this Phase, we will go over and redo all submissions... that we suggest.

That's right. In the Revision Phase, we will redo many submissions of Normal-type Pokemon that we would like to redo. How do you chose a submission we want to redo, you may ask? Well, here's the format:

Submission: Name of Pokemon/Move Submission here
Details: Put the type and moves of the Pokemon if it is a Pokemon, and just put the type if it is a move.
Reason for redo: Choose one or more of the following: Lack of STAB, Lack of increased viability, Lack of flavor (move), Lack of flavor (type)
Justification: Give reasons for your reasons :]
Here's some examples:

Submission: Raticate
Details: Dark type, no new moves
Reason for redo: 'Lack of increased viability'
Justification: Raticate is very outclassed, mostly by the also-dark-type Zangoose. If it was given a different typing or moves to differ, maybe it would be more viable.

Submission: Trump Card
Details: Fighting type
Reason for redo: 'Lack of flavor (move)'
Justification: What to magic playing cards have to do with fighting? The animation of the move uses said cards, which do not appear Fighting-type-related in any way. No Pokemon who were originally Fighting-type learn the move.
Maximum five 'mon submissions and five move submissions. The same Pokemon can be asked to be redone multiple times to have a higher chance of having them redone. Missingno. is the only Pokemon that is unable to be redone.
This rather different 'Submission Phase' will end by next week exactly, kinda. Remember, be to the point and decisive - no hate. Have fun!

Kangaskhan Fairy/Ground +Play Rough (By the someone)
Stantler Psychic No new moves (By Ghoul King and jamashawalker ) *
Ambipom Dark +Bite (By The Reptile) *
Exploud
Dark/Ground +Sucker Punch, +Earth Power (By the someone)
Meloetta Psychic/Fairy (Aria) Fighting/Fairy (Pirouette) +Moonblast, +Play Rough (By PokemonMasterDebater and desuko )
Chatot Flying No new moves (By PokemonMasterDebater , Ghoul King and desuko )
Pyroar
Fire +Boomburst (By PokemonMasterDebater )
Heliolisk Electric/Grass +Giga Drain, +Energy Ball (By zerobreaker000 )
Sawsbuck
Grass/Ground +Earthquake, +Rototiller (By Ghoul King ) *
Girafarig Dark/Psychic +Dark Pulse (By Ghoul King )
Kecleon
Dark +Pursuit (By Mantodea, The Reptile, the someone )
Porygon2 Electric/Psychic +Psyshock (By Mantodea, zerobreaker000 )
Porygon-Z
Electric/Ghost +Confuse Ray, +Shadow Sneak, (And because Porygon2 gets it) +Psyshock (By zerobreaker000 )
Farfetch'd Fighting/Flying +Sacred Sword (By the someone )
Ursaring
Fairy/Dark +Moonlight (By the someone )
Wigglytuff Fairy/Flying +Spit Up, +Stockpile, +Boomburst (By the someone and The Reptile )
Zangoose
Dark +Sucker Punch (By The Reptile )
Spinda Fire +Overheat, +Fire Punch, +Flare Blitz (By MegaGallade )

Tauros
Ground/Fighting +Close Combat, +Double Kick, +Jump Kick (By imas234 )
Miltank Ground/Fairy +Play Rough (By Ghoul King and imas234 )
Bouffalant
Ground/Fighting +Submission, +Close Combat, +Mud Sport (By The Reptile ) *
Snorlax Psychic +Gastro Acid (By the someone and MegaGallade) *
Slaking
Ground No new moves (By zerobreaker000 )
Arceus Fairy/Psychic +Play Rough, +Moonblast, +Misty Terrain (By zerobreaker000 )
Blissey
Fairy No new moves (By Ghoul King ) *
Regigigas Ground +Bulldoze, +Rototiller (By the someone and The Reptile ) *
Castform
Flying/Ghost +Defog, +Air Slash (By zerobreaker000 )
Linoone Ground/Fire +Flare Blitz, +Earthquake, +Flame Charge (By the someone )
Delcatty
Fairy +Play Rough, +Moonblast, +Healing Wish (By imas234 and the someone ) *
Swellow Flying +Brave Bird (Level-Up), +Roost (Level-Up) (By imas234 and Ghoul King ) *
Lickilicky
Ghost/Rock +Shadow Claw, +Shadow Sneak (By Ghoul King )
Dunsparce Bug/Ground +Bug Bite, +U-Turn (By Ghoul King )
Purugly
Dark/Fairy +Crunch, +Bulk Up (By the someone, Throbulator36 and Ghoul King )
Cinccino Grass/Fairy +Cotton Guard, +Play Rough (By the someone )
Furfrou
Fairy +Play Rough, +Moonlight (By Ghoul King and the someone ) *
Stoutland Ground +Earthquake, +Sandstorm (By the someone )
Persian
Dark No new moves (By Ghoul King ) *
Eevee Fairy +Play Rough, +Dazzling Gleam (By Ghoul King ) *
Audino
Fairy +Moonblast (By Ghoul King ) *
Bibarel Psychic/Water +Zen Headbutt (By Ghoul King ) *
Staraptor
Flying/Fighting +Submission (By the someone and The Reptile )
Raticate Dark No new moves (By the someone )

Furret
Electric/Fairy +Play Rough, +Wild Charge, +Nuzzle (By Ghoul King and The Reptile )
Noctowl Psychic/Flying +Hurricane, +Psyshock, +Trick Room (By Ghoul King and imas234 )
Unfezant
Dark/Flying +Knock Off, +Pursuit (By Ghoul King ) *
Lopunny Fairy +Play Rough (By Throbulator36 and Ghoul King )

Smeargle
Psychic Obviously gets no new moves (By Ghoul King and the someone )
Diggersby
Ground/Fighting +Close Combat (By the someone )
Pidgeot Flying/Fairy +Dazzling Gleam (By Ghoul King )
Watchog Dark/Electric +Wild Charge, +Quick Attack, +Glare (By Ghoul King )
Fearow
Flying/Steel +Iron Head, +Brave Bird (By Ghoul King ) *
Ditto
Psychic Obviously no new moves (By money12wolf and the someone )
Swablu Fairy/Flying +Play Rough, +Misty Terrian (By Ghoul King and the someone )

Azurill
Fairy No new moves (By Ghoul King and xfix )
Fletchling
Flying +Hurricane (By MegaGallade , Ghoul King and xfix )
Missingno. Bird/999 +Pay Day, +Bind (By xfix )


Fake Out Fighting
Return Fairy
Frustration Dark (This and all moves above by Ghoul King )
Boomburst Flying (By PokemonMasterDebater , zerobreaker000 and desuko )
Hyper Voice Dragon (By Ghoul King )
Relic Song Fairy (By PokemonMasterDebater , Ghoul King and desuko )
Stomp Ground (By zerobreaker000 )
Double-Edge Steel (By zerobreaker000 )
Last Resort Dark (By Ghoul King )
Slash Steel (By Ghoul King , the someone )
Tri-Attack Electric (By The Reptile , the someone )
Hyper Beam Dark (By Ghoul King , zerobreaker000 )
Giga Impact Dark (By The Reptile )
Rock Climb Bug (By Ghoul King and the someone )
Roar Dragon (By Ghoul King )
Swords Dance Steel (By the someone )
Shell Smash Rock (By Ghoul King and the someone )
Horn Attack Bug (By zerobreaker000 , the someone, Ghoul King )
Body Slam Ground (By zerobreaker000 )
Retaliate Dark (By Ghoul King and the someone )
Protect Psychic (By zerobreaker000 , the someone, Ghoul King )
Recover Psychic (By the someone and imas234 )
Slack Off Ground (By zerobreaker000 )
Head Charge Ground (By Ghoul King and imas234 )
Judgement Fairy (By the someone and Ghoul King )
Crush Grip Ground (By the someone and Ghoul King )
Crush Claw Dark (By the someone and Ghoul King )
Stockpile Grass (By the someone )
Swallow Poison (By Ghoul King )
Spit Up Poison (By Ghoul King )
Extreme Speed Fire (By the someone )
Weather Ball Flying (Default) (ByGhoul King )
Snore Psychic (By the someone )
Belly Drum Dragon (By the someone )
Sleep Talk Psychic (By Ghoul King and the someone )
Soft-Boiled Fairy (By Ghoul King and the someone )
Facade Fighting (By Throbulator36 and Ghoul King )
Explosion Fire (By Throbulator36 and Ghoul King )
Self Destruct Fire (By Throbulator36 and Ghoul King )
Tail Slap Fairy (By Throbulator36 , Ghoul King , and zerobreaker000 )
Baton Pass Psychic (By Ghoul King )
Whirlwind Flying (By Throbulator36 , Ghoul King , and zerobreaker000 )
Camouflage Ghost (By MegaGallade )

Wring Out Grass (By Ghoul King )
Spike Cannon Ground (By the someone )
Rapid Spin Fighting (By Ghoul King )
Conversion Electric (By Ghoul King and the someone )
Conversion 2 Electric (By Ghoul King and the someone )
Sharpen Steel (By Ghoul King and the someone )
Metronome Psychic (By Ghoul King )
Covet Fairy (By Ghoul King )
Quick Attack Electric (By Ghoul King )
Round Flying (By The Reptile )
Work Up Fairy (By the someone )
Super Fang Dark (By the someone and Amitghosh )
Hyper Fang Dark (By Ghoul King )
Disable Psychic (By Ghoul King )
Present Ice (By Throbulator36 )
Smelling Salts Fighting (By Ghoul King )
Secret Power Psychic (By Throbulator36 )
Lovely Kiss Dark (By Ghoul King )
Milk Drink Fairy (By Ghoul King )
Sing Fairy (By Ghoul King and Throbulator36 )
Egg Bomb Fire (By the someone )
Barrage Grass (By Ghoul King and the someone )
Dizzy Punch Psychic (By The Reptile )
Sketch Psychic (By the someone and Ghoul King )
Glare Poison (By Ghoul King )
Psych Up Psychic (By Ghoul King and The Reptile )
Endeavor Fighting (By Ghoul King and The Reptile )
Flail Dark (By Ghoul King )
Techno Blast Steel (By the someone and Ghoul King )
Uproar Dragon (By Ghoul King )
Acupressure Psychic (By the someone )
Entrainment Fairy (By Ghoul King and the someone )
Yawn Fairy (By Ghoul King )
Wish Fairy (By GiveUsYourBones and Ghoul King )
Double Hit Dark (By Ghoul King , Blumenwitz and GiveUsYourBones )
Headbutt Rock (By xfix )
Echoed Voice Flying (By GiveUsYourBones , Blumenwitz and xfix )
Vice Grip Bug (By Ghoul King and xfix )
Substitute Poison (By Ghoul King )
Tickle Fairy (By GiveUsYourBones , Blumenwitz and xfix)
Teeter Dance Psychic (By Ghoul King and MegaGallade )
Simple Beam Psychic (By GiveUsYourBones , Ghoul King , Blumenwitz and xfix )

Feint Fighting (By Ghoul King )
Struggle Fairy (By Ghoul King )
Skull Bash Rock (By Ghoul King )
Follow Me Fairy (By Ghoul King )
Transform Psychic (By Ghoul King )
Smokescreen Poison (By Ghoul King )
Splash Water (By Ghoul King )
Trump Card Fighting (By Ghoul King )
Take Down Rock (By the someone )
Thrash Dark (By the someone )
Razor Wind Steel (By MegaGallade )
Natural Gift Grass (By Ghoul King )
After You Fairy (By the someone )
Assist Fairy (By Ghoul King )
Attract Fairy (By Ghoul King )
Focus Energy Fighting (By Ghoul King )
Tackle Ground (By GiveUsYourBones )
Strength Rock (By Ghoul King and Yellow Skarmory )
Pay Day Dark (By GiveUsYourBones )
Sonic Boom Steel (By GiveUsYourBones )
Lock-On Steel (By MegaGallade , Ghoul King and Yellow Skarmory )
Morning Sun Fire (By GiveUsYourBones , Ghoul King and Yellow Skarmory )
Pain Split Ghost (By GiveUsYourBones and Ghoul King )
Scary Face Ghost (By GiveUsYourBones and Yellow Skarmory )
Wrap Poison (By The Reptile )
Scratch Bug (By Ghoul King )
Mega Kick Fighting (By Yellow Skarmory and The Reptile )
Horn Drill Steel (By GiveUsYourBones )
Foresight Psychic (By Ghoul King )
Sweet Scent Grass (By Ghoul King )
Noble Roar Fire (By Ghoul King )
Play Nice Fairy (By Ghoul King and Yellow Skarmory )
Bide Rock (By Yellow Skarmory and Ghoul King )
Mega Punch Fighting (By Yellow Skarmory and Ghoul King )
Bind Poison (By the someone )
Perish Song Ghost (By the someone and Ghoul King )
Bestow Ice (By Amitghosh )
Odor Sleuth Bug (By Ghoul King )
Slam Grass (By Ghoul King )
Happy Hour Dark (By Ghoul King )
Guillotine Steel (By MegaGallade )
Chip Away Fighting (By GiveUsYourBones )
Pound Fighting (By Ghoul King )
Comet Punch Fighting (By Ghoul King )
Block Rock (By MegaGallade )
Growth Grass (By Amitghosh and Ghoul King )
Minimize Psychic (By Ghoul King )
Recycle Psychic (By MegaGallade and Ghoul King )
Rage Dark (By Ghoul King )
Hold Back Fighting (By Ghoul King )
False Swipe Steel (By Ghoul King and the someone )
Hidden Power Fairy (By The Reptile )
Screech Ghost (By MegaGallade )
Lucky Chant Fairy (By EverM and Ghoul King )
Mimic Psychic (By the someone )
Copycat Fairy (By Ghoul King )
Fury Attack Flying (By Ghoul King and The Reptile )
Fury Swipes Steel (By Ghoul King )
Tail Whip Fairy (By The Reptile and Amitghosh )
Swagger Dark (By Ghoul King and The Reptile )
Supersonic Electric (By Ghoul King )
Safeguard Psychic (By the someone )
Swift Fairy (By EverM )
Constrict Water (By MegaGallade )
Double Slap Fairy (By The Reptile )
Cut Steel (By The Reptile , Ghoul King and Amitghosh )
Captivate Fairy (By The Reptile )
Celebrate Fairy (By Ghoul King and The Reptile )
Confide Dark (By The Reptile )
Defense Curl Rock (By The Reptile and Ghoul King )
Double Team Ghost (By Ghoul King )
Encore Fairy (By the someone , Ghoul King and Yellow Skarmory )
Endure Fighting (By the someone )
Flash Electric (By the someone )
Growl Fairy (By MegaGallade )
Harden Rock (By the someone )
Heal Bell Steel (By MegaGallade and Yellow Skarmory )
Helping Hand Fairy (By Ghoul King and Yellow Skarmory )
Hold Hands Fairy (By Yellow Skarmory , Swagcaliber and Lord Abbadon )
Howl Fire (By Yellow Skarmory )
Leer Dark (By Yellow Skarmory and Lord Abbadon )
Mean Look Ghost (By GiveUsYourBones )
Mind Reader Fighting (By GiveUsYourBones and Ghoul King )
Nature Power Grass (By Springtrap )
Reflect Type Psychic (By Springtrap and Ghoul King )
Refresh Psychic (By Yellow Skarmory and Ghoul King )


Got any questions? Sorry if it wasn't so clear, just tag me in a post. :]

EDIT: Will edit the OP tomorrow, also how fitting this is the first post of this page :]
 
... what are the green asterisks about?

Anyway.

Heliolisk
Electric/Grass +Giga Drain, +Energy Ball

Why: Electric/Grass, while an interesting type combination, has essentially no flavor for Heliolisk and overall seems an unnecessary reduction in its viability.

Wigglytuff
Fairy/Flying +Spit Up, +Stockpile, +Boomburst

Why: The flavor logic never sat well with me, and I dislike how it places it in close competition with Togekiss. Boomburst+Competitive at least places it as a more offensively slanted Togekiss, but the fact that it's so similar to Togekiss, on weak flavor, doesn't seem worthwhile to me.

Raticate
Dark type, no new moves

Why: As has been discussed prior, it's basically bad Zangoose, and that's disappointing.

Stomp
Ground type

Why: Flavor has always seemed a little weak, and Stomp is strong enough to be an OK coverage move... except in practice nothing benefits from it.

Mega Kick
Fighting type

Why: Even though the flavor fits, in practice Mega Kick is very low in relevancy, surprisingly so for a move with 120 BP, because Fighting already has multiple 120 BP moves with minimal disadvantages and perfect Accuracy. I'd much rather shift it to a type that is plausible flavor-wise but has more payoff in terms of granting interesting coverage.
 
... what are the green asterisks about?
I just copy/pasted the hide from the OP which has those asterisks, which were left because of a plan I scrapped last minute. :/

Thanks for submitting :]

EDIT:
Ah, might as well.

Exploud
Dark/Ground, +Sucker Punch, +Earth Power

Lack of flavor (type)
Justification: As cool as Exploud seems now, Exploud design-wise looks neither ground type nor dark type much at all.

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Lickilicky
Ghost/Rock, +Shadow Claw, +Shadow Sneak

Lack of flavor (type)
Justification: As interesting as its new typing is, Lickilicky, design-wise, looks hardly rock type at all, having no physical features whatsoever distinguishing it.

Cinccino
Grass/Fairy, +Cotton Guard, +Play Rough

Lack of flavor (type)
Justification: Similarly to Lickilicky, Cinccino displays absolutely zero physical relations to plants and grass.
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Double Hit
Dark type

Lack of increased viability
Justification: Making Double Hit Dark-type really makes it useless. Despite being able to be 'abused' by Technician, it is still outclassed by Frustration in most ways.

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Explosion / Self Destruct
Fire type

Lack of increased viability
Justification: I'm putting these together because there isn't any reason whatsoever to have Self Destruct over Explosion due to having the exact same type. Being different types would increase viability of Self Destruct mostly, and give reasons why to use one over the other.
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Just a question about this, how do we go about improving these things that need revising? Like, will we have votes for it?
Yup. Currently I'm just waiting for more submissions before we can start voting. After voting, you will have the chance to propose a specific change yourself.
 
My humble opinion on the type changes:
  • Arceus Fairy/Psychic +Play Rough, +Moonblast, +Misty Terrain
    I think Arceus needs to be the same type as Judgement, i.e. Fairy.
  • Eevee Fairy +Play Rough, +Dazzling Gleam
    I don't think it makes sense for Eevee to be the same type as one of its Eeveelutions. My suggestion is based on its Egg group being Field, which (by Type Omelette) is Ground. It already leans Tackle (which is now Ground) so give it Body Slam perhaps?
  • Disable Psychic
    Disable is similar to Cursed Body which only has one Psychic user, but three (or four) Ghost users.
  • Foresight Psychic
  • Odor Sleuth Bug
    Both these moves allow Fighting types to hit Ghost types. The equivalent Psychic hits Dark move is the Psychic type Miracle Eye, so these should be Fighting type.
In other news, Whimsicott's Prankster Nature Power is now STAB! If only it could learn Misty Terrain so it could switch between STABs.

Also, it's good to see that Splash is now Water type as it should always have been. (Seriously, Game Freak?!)
 
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Submission: Chatot
Details: Flying, no new moves
Reason for redo: Lack of flavor (type)
Justification: Now I know most people must be thinking I'm insane for saying that there's a lack of flavor for Chatot being pure Flying, but the thing is, nothing but Tornadus is pure Flying, and I feel like that's important. Tornadus is pure Flying because it's meant to be like a genie god that embodies wind. I just feel like giving that status to Chatot is not really appropriate.

Submission: Fletchling
Details: Flying, +Hurricane
Reason for redo: Lack of flavor (type)
Justification: The same reasoning as for Chatot. Also, I was kind of surprised we didn't just make it Fire/Flying like the rest of it's evolutionary chain. If the problem is lack of Fire type attacks, we can always give it some.
 
Right, some sweeping changes (not suggestions, just some brief notes on some things that I think should change), basing typing off of design mostly. For me, some types just feel 'stuck on' with no real reason for them to be there. I feel like people are scared to give things a singular type.

POKEMON
Kangaskhan - Fighting
Exploud - Fighting (no other type really works, maybe it could blow back a ninja with its voice :? )
Heliolisk - electric only
Girafarig - psychic only
porygon2 / porygonZ - electric only
Usaring - fighting/dark (maybe just fighting)
wigglytuff - fairy only
spinda - psychic? spinda isnt particularly fiery
miltank - ground only
snorlax - I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT IS THIS THING perhaps fighting???
arceus - no clue but fairy/psychic is a bit weird
linoone - ground only
lickilicky - fairy? its kind of a fat, pink fairy like clefable. ghost/rock is a bit silly if you ask me
purugly - dark only
cincinno - fairy only
furfou - ground? fairy is ok tho
furret - fairy only
pidgeot - maybe just flying? fairy seems a bit of a stretch given its just a bird
watchog - psychic/dark?? has kinda psychic eyes, and is kind of a mishievous character? perhaps just psychic
fearow - iffy about that steel typing
azurill - water/fairy, just like its evolutions

MOVES
double edge - fighting? steel doesn't suit it
rock climb - HOW IS THIS NOT ROCK TYPE
body slam - fighting?? ground is weird
crush grip - dark
swallow - grass like stockpile


not finished with the moves section, will finish tomorrow :)
 

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