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The best damage calculator site? Or is libelldra the best out there?
Yes, Fake Out still does damage.
Quoted from D/P Resource thread. Personally, I've only ever used Libelldra but it fulfils all of the criteria I need ;)
Why does the analysis mention Psychic for Deoxys-D if it sucks so much in Ubers?
Also, I see Latias and Metagross don't use Psychic in any tier, for the same reason Salamence and Dragonite don't use Aerial Ace-it has redaunt coverage with their main STAB moves. What types do give good coverage with Psychic, if so?
Also, while I won't suggest a Psychic move for Uber analysis as promised, I still wonder if I have the option to use it myself on Mewtwo and Mew, as well as Psycho Boost on Deoxys-A; any merits? People start using stuff like Heracross and Gengar in Uber relying on those who don't use Psychic so make their weakness non-existant, why lose a counter for those? Psycho Boost Deoxys-A could outrun Adamant Scarf Heracross and reverge-kill without losing any offensive potential...
Also, I see Latias and Metagross don't use Psychic in any tier, for the same reason Salamence and Dragonite don't use Aerial Ace-it has redaunt coverage with their main STAB moves. What types do give good coverage with Psychic, if so?
Also, while I won't suggest a Psychic move for Uber analysis as promised, I still wonder if I have the option to use it myself on Mewtwo and Mew, as well as Psycho Boost on Deoxys-A; any merits? People start using stuff like Heracross and Gengar in Uber relying on those who don't use Psychic so make their weakness non-existant, why lose a counter for those? Psycho Boost Deoxys-A could outrun Adamant Scarf Heracross and reverge-kill without losing any offensive potential...
The people who wrote the analysis were just being optimistic with any viable options. Like Psychic, it's mainly for STAB, even if it has poor coverage. Most people use Shadow Ball over Psychic b/c Shadow Ball can hit both Ghost and Psychic SE, while Psychic gets resisted by Steels, Bugs, and can't do shit to Darks. Also, Psychic is neutral against Ghost type while Ghost is 2x effective against Psychic. Gengar is part poison, so Psychic is merely 2x effective against it.
Fighting goes pretty well with Psychic as it covers Dark and Steel.
Psycho Boost has very poor coverage. It has 90% accuracy and drops users SpA -2 stages, and allows the opponent to have an even easier time getting a free turn to stall/sweep. Giratina and Scizor, plus Soul Dew Lat@s, Lugia and Requaza poses more than enough threat to Heracross and Gengar that it almost warrant the need to use Psychic. You can use Psychic, of course, as your sweeper may benefit from STAB Psychic.
Psycho Boost is so powerful, I think Specs Deoxys-A can even OHKO Mewtwo with it! Why give up that?
Also, would these three Mewtwo sets 1)Taunt/CM/Ice Beam/Aura Sphere 2)Ice Beam/Thunder/Aura Sphere/CM 3)Ice Beam/Thunder/Psychic/Aura Sphere (Specs) good options for Mewtwo on an offensive Uber team?
Also, would these three Mewtwo sets 1)Taunt/CM/Ice Beam/Aura Sphere 2)Ice Beam/Thunder/Aura Sphere/CM 3)Ice Beam/Thunder/Psychic/Aura Sphere (Specs) good options for Mewtwo on an offensive Uber team?
Because, it becomes set-up bait for every Dark-type in the game afterwards. T-Tar and Rai are fairly common.
Psychic is an awful type to use in Ubers, simply because of all the resists. Stop harping on the issue. If you want to use Psychic in Ubers, do so, but you don't need others' approval.
If you want others to consider it, make your own thread for a discussion. Just make sure the OP is quite thorough.
EDIT: Depends on what else you have on your team, for Mewtwo. Self-Destruct is a viable option as well, as is Fire Blast. If you go with Specs, I recommend SD over Psychic, but if you don't give a damn about fat pink whores, go with Fire Blast.
Psychic is an awful type to use in Ubers, simply because of all the resists. Stop harping on the issue. If you want to use Psychic in Ubers, do so, but you don't need others' approval.
If you want others to consider it, make your own thread for a discussion. Just make sure the OP is quite thorough.
EDIT: Depends on what else you have on your team, for Mewtwo. Self-Destruct is a viable option as well, as is Fire Blast. If you go with Specs, I recommend SD over Psychic, but if you don't give a damn about fat pink whores, go with Fire Blast.
Yes, it takes damage (but obviously can't flinch).
299 Atk vs 246 Def & 279 HP (90 Base Power): 204 - 240 (73.12% - 86.02%)
Not a KO with SR up, 46.15% chance of OHKO after SR and 1 LO recoil (assuming Kabutops has LO).
Now that Arceus will be available for use, is their some kind of back up plan if an Uber pokemon is considered too powerful for even Ubers? I'm not too sure what could stop the extreme-killer set, along with his base stats. So is there any plan if Arceus (or anyone in general I guess) become too powerful for Ubers?
Arcues was (and is) banned in Ubers.. for now..
their ARE counters, but they are hard to come by.
Lugia and Giratina mostly.
No. Uber's is just a banlist for OU. There's no interest in creating a stable metagame for it as a result: whatever happens in it, happens.
EDIT: The only reason Arceus was originally banned from Ubers is because it wasn't actually available. Ever since the Japanese Movie Arceus came out, Arceus has only remained banned because Shoddy Battle 1 can't handle how that Arceus can only have up to 100 EVs in any particular stat. After Shoddy Battle 2 comes out, which will support that, it will be let onto the Ubers ladder.
Are you all sure Psychic is reduant on the Latis? If Jynx, Gallade/Medicham and Starmie all pull off Psychic as a decent-albeit-unspectacular secondary STAB move (or Psycho Cut for Gallade and Medicham), why can't Latias, and, to a lesser extent, Latios? Is it really that bad? I just personally find dual STABs very useful...
ColdEye: What part of Psychic being the worst offensive type in Ubers do you not get? Never use Psychic on Mewtwo. Never use Psychic on Mew. The only Pokemon that a Psychic-type move CAN be considered for is Deoxys-A, if ONLY because Life Orb Psycho Boost can OHKO Palkia.
STAB means nothing. Psychic is just terrible and stop asking
STAB means nothing. Psychic is just terrible and stop asking
Pretty much, this. Pokemon like Jynx, Gallade, and Medicham can get away with using Psychic moves because in their tiers (UU and NU), there aren't as many things like Steels and Darks and thus it's workable on them. In Ubers, however, there's not much of anything to actually hit for super-effective with Psychic, and numerous things that resist it. Thus, in that tier, it just isn't an advisable offensive-type to be using.
Do most wi fi players on smogon Pokesav now a days?
I can't speak for others, but I know that I and a few others do. Of course, before the battle, we'd have to settle an agreement on the IV and nothing out of ordinary move-sets on the Pokemon we'll be using. I believe more people are starting to learn how to use PokeSav because it saves time to create a team that would otherwise take many months, where by using PokeSav it would take half an hour and less. Plus, more people can learn how to make very legit Pokemon now with the grasp of Hex values, PID relations and etc.
Didn't I explain this to you already?
"Alright, let me explain why Psychic and Psycho Cut are considered "bad" in Ubers.
First off, take a look at the vast majority of the Pokemon. We have Lati@s, Mewtwo, Mew, Darkrai, Scizor, Metagross, Tyranitar, Weavile, Lugia, Dialga, and Wobbuffet. There's more, but I'm not going to sit here and name them all. These Pokemon either resist or are immune to Psychic. Then, they practically dominate the metagame.
Then we have our other Pokemon: Rayquaza, Groudon, Kyogre, Ho-oh, Giratinas, etc. Many of these Pokemon cannot stand a SE attack from Mewtwo anyway. Ice Beam can practically eliminate Ray, Groudon, and Giras while hitting on Lugia and the Lati twins. Shadow Ball trades Ray and Groudon for slamming Mewtwo and Mew. Aura Sphere and Flamethrower | Fire Blast can practically cover the rest of the threats.
So in order to use Psychic, you'd have to find Pokemon that it would be "effective" on. The only Pokemon that I can think of, on the top of my head, are Palkia in the sun and Ho-oh in the sun. Then it doesn't have many good offensive combos. Ice + Fighting hits most of the Pokemon in Ubers anyway, why use Psychic + Fighting when there are Pokemon that even wall this?"
hmmm, then would you say Im at a significant disadvantage by breeding my own things?
Maybe so, but I don't really want to come off offensive. Of course you will be able to create the similar quality of breed as the PokeSav user, but it'll just take you more time to do so. I know a few other breeders who spent countless hours getting those 31 sets of IVs, and some of those successful breeds were 31s/30s IVs.
Time is really the main issue with breeding. Some people don't see the point of wasting all that precious time when the solution around that is to use AR and PokeSav, which costs them only a few bucks and a few hours of reading and some number crunching. Besides making close-to-legit, almost conscience-free Pokemons, those with AR can obtain the code for the Pokemon events that they might have missed or would not have been able to attend to.
I can't find it in the Smog Forum, but when can we expect the next release?
I always thought it was the 2nd Saturday of the month, but we're at the 3rd now...
I always thought it was the 2nd Saturday of the month, but we're at the 3rd now...
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