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Pencilcheck said:
I used a slight different improvised tanks, namly haze toxapex and special crumbler aegislash.

I faced captain kiawe on my 10th battle (I forgot) and got destroyed by brave bird talonflame because after a DD it is still slower and it got one SD and then one shot charizard X, and 2KHO my toxapex (I thought doing haze might work but looking back maybe I should just scald).

Sad but true. I guess maybe I should've attack talonflame immediately and not setup in the first place with flare blitz or dragon claw, perhaps that will at least both die and let the other team revenge kill my team afterwards.
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Assuming you used the same EV spread as me, you should have outsped Talonflame4 at +1, so the one you ran into had Gale Wings. Probably would have been worth it to switch Aegislash in to make it take recoil, thus removing Gale Wings. Also:

+2 252+ Atk Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Charizard-Mega-X: 151-178 (81.6 - 96.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Unless you used Flare Blitz Turn 1 or EV trained wrong, you should have been fine.

Plus, your team as it is would probably fall to something like Scarf Garchomp or some other fast Ground type in the back, unless you already have a boosted Charizard. Outspeeds you otherwise and basically can Earthquake you to oblivion, unless there's something I'm missing in your sets.
 
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SilverLining said:
Honestly, don't use my team. It's an extremely lucky 1000-streak team, which has been noted many times, and I only posted it here because it somehow did reach 1000. Its lack of answers to certain threats, particularly Dragon Dance and Sheer Cold users, makes it even more questionable. And I'm bad about recording videos of anything noteworthy (or anything not noteworthy just for the sake of example battles), so that also doesn't help. The streak that I have going right now (which I haven't really done much with since reaching 1000 because I have no desire to keep going and Anabel isn't going to show either) didn't see a lot of variety in terms of opponents either, adding to its description as extremely lucky. Sets aren't optimized for what I used them for, Porygon2 has a tendency to miss with Toxic, I sometimes sacrificed Porygon2 to get through Dragon Dance users, you get the idea. Don't use the team. It isn't worth your time if you're trying to achieve a long streak.
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Well, what's important is that you've done it, and given others the opportunity to do the same, someday. The option, copious luck or not, is there. And hey, if someone else manages to get even a fifth of your success with Duck/Sword/Dragon, then luck (and the Duck) isn't all that defines it. Its performance under your hands becomes less of an anomaly and more "well, this might have some merit".

Between PencilCheck giving your team a shot, the two newbies showing their stuff, and Coeur7's most recent work, underrepresented 'mons have been given a hell of a showcase this weekend. Good shit, everyone, I raise a glass to you!

The S.R.C. has been updated through here.
 
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Here to post a streak of 122 wins with Greninja, Scizor, and Garchomp.

Greninja @ Life Orb
Timid
6 HP 252 SpA 252 Spd

Surf
Ice Beam
Extrasensory/Dark Pulse
Grass Knot

The king of fast special sweepers. If you want fast battles where your lead can often 3-0, you want either this guy or Landorus. Greninja doesn't roll over to a certain type attack, which is nice, and is actually fast. Mons with decent Sp Def that you hit neutral are only 3HKOs though, you don't have the sheer force that is Earth Power.

Greninja does not joke around though- the coverage is wonderful, and he hits with hard SE attacks on a lot of stuff. Fast Electric attacks are the main worry.

I started with Extrasensory and switched to Dark Pulse after battle 100 or so. Dark Pulse is way better offensive coverage, but with Extrasensory you can kill with Ice Beam and be ready to resist what they throw at you next. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry gets legends these days- so I think the Dark coverage is nice for Azelf, Mespirt, and Uxie especially.

If I cared about getting a long streak with this team, you would switch to Scizor on anything he can set up to +6 on, but...eh.

Scizor @ Scizorite
Adamant
252 HP 252 Att 6 Def

Bug Bite
Bullet Punch
Swords Dance
Roost

Scizor is still great, but it seems there are more strong special attacks in the Tree. He does bring good priority and a Toxic immunity. Aegislash would be terrible for this team since I do not have something to take an EQ for him. You have to be smart setting up, as if he goes down while boosting it is often game over, since there are a lot of threats that slaughter your team if not for Scizor standing in the way. The halcyon days of easy +6 are over- so be content with your +2 and Bullet Punch away.

Garchomp @ Choice Band
Jolly
6 HP 252 Att 252 Spd

Outrage
Earthquake
Iron Head
Rock Slide

I need a Electric immune, so here we are. He is just fast enough to use a Choice Band well, with the catch that this guy can not be your last pokemon against unknown AI mons. The Ice weakness is a serious issue- Boltbeam is everywhere and sometimes you get blasted trying to be cute with the switches- Icy Wind ended my streak since I though Regice would T-Bolt Greninja. Garchomp either feels like a burden or the only mon that holds the team together. Attacking with him is a commitment- as soon as you know Garchomp will be in, you have to think about your next move if something disastrous happens after your KO.

You are sometimes handsomely rewarded for your sacrifice of using this beast. Garchomp 1- deletes stuff while being fast and 2- lives through stuff while damaging the opponent.

This is the exact same team I used in the Maison. I might do another attempt before USUM comes out, but I might try some lesser used mons for fun.

Edit: Now with 100% more proof- https://i.imgur.com/CM9fqFK.jpg
 
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PikaCuber said:
Assuming you used the same EV spread as me, you should have outsped Talonflame4 at +1, so the one you ran into had Gale Wings. Probably would have been worth it to switch Aegislash in to make it take recoil, thus removing Gale Wings. Also:

+2 252+ Atk Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Charizard-Mega-X: 151-178 (81.6 - 96.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Unless you used Flare Blitz Turn 1 or EV trained wrong, you should have been fine.

Plus, your team as it is would probably fall to something like Scarf Garchomp or some other fast Ground type in the back, unless you already have a boosted Charizard. Outspeeds you otherwise and basically can Earthquake you to oblivion, unless there's something I'm missing in your sets.
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It wasn't planned, more like I just don't have tanks like milotics atm, and I don't have forrothorn yet (still have only one forroseed).

And the EV spread for charizard X I had it somehow differently, perhaps I was mixing guide too much I got confused. I had 252 Att and 252 Spe, and that might be the cause of the downfall, otherwise it should've like you said tanked the brave bird +2.

I'm going back to fix the EV spread first then figure out how to fill in the spot for the tanks (or prob get one forrothorn up first).

Really appreciate for the reply. That helps a ton.
 
Pencilcheck said:
It wasn't planned, more like I just don't have tanks like milotics atm, and I don't have forrothorn yet (still have only one forroseed).

And the EV spread for charizard X I had it somehow differently, perhaps I was mixing guide too much I got confused. I had 252 Att and 252 Spe, and that might be the cause of the downfall, otherwise it should've like you said tanked the brave bird +2.

I'm going back to fix the EV spread first then figure out how to fill in the spot for the tanks (or prob get one forrothorn up first).

Really appreciate for the reply. That helps a ton.
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I mean, Ferrothorn and Milotic are probably not optimal Pokemon to pair alongside Mega Charizard X. I just based this team off of the old FWG and DFS cores, so the old Mega Charizard X/Azumarill/Ferrothorn, only the swap on the Water type due to consistency on attacking. But otherwise, no problem!
 
Naanua said:
Got a streak of 51 with an interesting team.

Hawlucha (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Unburden
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 44 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 100 SpD / 108 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Low Kick
- Entrainment
- Helping Hand
- Endeavor

This Hawlucha was planned as a support, give regigigas Unburden to lose slow start and hit as hard as possible. I don't know what I was thinking with this ev spread to be honest.

Notable Speed Benchmarks:
Outspeeds Regigigas by one.
Outspeeds scarf Aerodactyl (W/Unburden)


Regigigas @ Normal Gem
Ability: Slow Start
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 244 Spe (Bottle Capped)
Adamant Nature
- Crush Grip
- Drain Punch
- Ice Punch
- Knock Off

The star of the team. Crush Grip with Normal Gem knocks out soo many Pokemon in battle tree. The spread isn't 100% optimal. The plan was outspeed scarf Aerodactyl so I went for minimum (probably explains weird ev spread for Hawlucha)

Tapu Lele @ Psychium Z
Ability: Psychic Surge
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 20 Def / 228 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Protect
- Moonblast
- Shadow Ball
- Psychic

This Tapu Lele I used for VGC 2017, nothing really special. I sadly don't remember the ev spread explanation. It's a Z-move user that just destroys opponents

Heatmor (F) @ Iapapa Berry
Ability: Gluttony
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 12 Atk / 124 Def / 12 SpA / 100 SpD / 4 Spe
Careful Nature
- Fire Lash
- Incinerate
- Recycle
- Stockpile

I wanted to try Heatmor and it's signature Move, it worked wonders as a tank. Incinerate was to burn berries,but I never used it for that, Knock Off would probably be a better option for that move slot.
To be honest, with the ev spread, I tossed numbers together and called it good. I just wanted to try Heatmor.


Comments: This team was fun. It started as a random thought with Regigigas and I finally got the passionate pose (which I was aiming for)

5AVW-WWWW-WWW8-THL8
Against Blue
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I really like this as well. I theorymoned trying out skill swap with Slaking recently but this setup is superior. Hawlucha is so fast that it doesn't need to worry about taunt as much as trick room does, still weavile1/4, crobat4, and electrode2/3 threaten with taunt for max speed hawlucha. I think Alola Marowak would be a good mon to include since it can switch in on fighting, electric, and ice moves against your leads when you have to switch out turn one. Mimikyu might be better though. I will definitely be playing this, it looks way too fun.
 
GG Unit said:
Zerox27 Return does indeed hit Ghost types when Salamence is mega evolved, but as for what that team is supposed to do against hard-hitting Toxic immunities in the lead position (Bisharp, Drapion, Magnezone) I'm not exactly sure myself.
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Is there a Ghost that would be immune to it, or someway to make it immune to Flying type moves? I'm not sure what it was I was against, 99% sure it was a Ghost, but I did say to myself "that's too bad" about the Return saying No Effect since it should be treated as a Flying move. I thought it was intended but dumb that it wouldn't hit Ghosts. I definitely stopped and made sure he was Mega Evolved and attacked several times as that was where my streak ended. I don't think I saved the video, I suppose I should start saving more.
 
Zerox27 said:
Is there a Ghost that would be immune to it, or someway to make it immune to Flying type moves? I'm not sure what it was I was against, 99% sure it was a Ghost, but I did say to myself "that's too bad" about the Return saying No Effect since it should be treated as a Flying move. I thought it was intended but dumb that it wouldn't hit Ghosts. I definitely stopped and made sure he was Mega Evolved and attacked several times as that was where my streak ended. I don't think I saved the video, I suppose I should start saving more.
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Perhaps you see the "No Effect" thing under Return before you Mega Evolve? Cause at that point, Return is still classified as a Normal type move, at least in the non-Mega'd state. It should hit Ghost types if you Mega Evolved the same turn.
 
Zerox27 said:
Is there a Ghost that would be immune to it, or someway to make it immune to Flying type moves? I'm not sure what it was I was against, 99% sure it was a Ghost, but I did say to myself "that's too bad" about the Return saying No Effect since it should be treated as a Flying move. I thought it was intended but dumb that it wouldn't hit Ghosts. I definitely stopped and made sure he was Mega Evolved and attacked several times as that was where my streak ended. I don't think I saved the video, I suppose I should start saving more.
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You probably had Mummy as your ability at the time from hitting Cofagrigus.
 
Hey guys! I'm trying to go as far as possible at the Battle Tree during Super Multi Battle but I don't know what Pokemon to use to partner up with Cynthia! Right now, she has a Mega Lucario and a Togekiss with Expert Belt but no matter what Pokemon I use, I keep losing against Pokemon that I'm not supposed to. I'm still new to Competitive so I get discouraged very easily so if I could have some advice, I'll gladly accept it.
 
I'd very much like to help you right here, but we got a dedicated topic up a couple lines for Battle Tree, which is used to keep the discussion toghether (in fact, this is something asked/talked often enough), so I'd redirect you there before providing assistance :P
 
I'll merge this thread with the dedicated Battle Tree thread we have at the top of the page.

Welcome to Orange Islands!
 
Altissimo said:
It will help us to identify problems you may be having if you elaborate on this.
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Well, most recently, I lost against a Mega Sharpedo and a Z-Move Arcanine in Battle 29. I use Mega Salamence and a Aegislash. If you have forgotten, my partner (Cynthia) has a Mega Lucario and Togekiss with Expert Belt.

My current sets are:

Salamence @ Salamenceite
Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Dragon Claw
Return
Earthquake
Dragon Dance

Aegislash @ Weakness Policy
Adamant
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 Speed
Shadow Sneak
Iron Head
Swords Dance
King's Shield
 
I can spot the issue right away: you are using a setupper and a staller in multis.

Multi battles are extremely punishing for attempts at setupping. You need to prefer using 2 hyperaggressive fast sets.

If you want to use Mega-Salamence, i strongly recommenda gen 6 spatk one with Hyper Voice: the phisical version is walled pretty hard by a lot of things in Btree, on top of being vulnerable to lot of ice types, while a spatk version can run Flamethrower as coverage which doesnt also kill your own partner.

Use 2 very strong fast Pokemon or with strong priority.
 
PlatinumLord said:
Well, most recently, I lost against a Mega Sharpedo and a Z-Move Arcanine in Battle 29. I use Mega Salamence and a Aegislash. If you have forgotten, my partner (Cynthia) has a Mega Lucario and Togekiss with Expert Belt.

My current sets are:

Salamence @ Salamenceite
Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Dragon Claw
Return
Earthquake
Dragon Dance

Aegislash @ Weakness Policy
Adamant
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 Speed
Shadow Sneak
Iron Head
Swords Dance
King's Shield
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just as worldie said, If you wanna use the same mons, change up the sets. Special Aegi with wide guard and kings shield is pretty good, and physical or special mence both work. Don't run dragon claw salamence though, it is near useless and a waste of a moveslot. Dont use dragon dance either, maybe protect and another move would work well
 
paperquagsire said:
just as worldie said, If you wanna use the same mons, change up the sets. Special Aegi with wide guard and kings shield is pretty good, and physical or special mence both work. Don't run dragon claw salamence though, it is near useless and a waste of a moveslot. Dont use dragon dance either, maybe protect and another move would work well
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Okay. I actually do have another Salamence but with a special set. It knows Dragon Pulse, Hyper Voice, Fire Blast, and Protect. I am, however, looking for a Pokemon that can potentially sweep. You got any ideas?
 
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Definitely replace FireBlast with Flamethrower, otherwise it's a very standard M-Sala doubles set :)

A fast z-move user or revenge killer would be a good plan for last spot: Tapu Koko, (sash)Pheromosa, (sash,Z)Kartana, stuff like that, or something with access to strong priority like Mimikyu or LO Scizor.
You COULD run a strong Scarfmon like Garchomp, Eruption Entei, or similar things as well, but those work better as lead since having your backline choice locked is generally a recipe for disaster.
 
Hello! I'm new in this forum, so I am not sure if this topic have to be here. Please move it if necessay.
This is my team in doubles for the battle tree, and i would like to know what changes can I do to improve. I know it's not the best team, but it worked 32 wins.

Tapu Koko @ Life Orb
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Discharge
- Dazzling Gleam
- Protect
- Volt Switch

Greninja @ Expert Belt
Ability: Protean
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Grass Knot
- Scald
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam

Kartana
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Smart Strike
- Sacred Sword
- Aerial Ace

Blaziken-Mega @ Blazikenite
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Protect
- Stone Edge
- Blaze Kick
- Sky Uppercut

Thank you for any help!
 
Hello all! This is my team, and i reached 33 wins. What could I improve?

Tapu Koko @ Life Orb
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Discharge
- Dazzling Gleam
- Protect
- Volt Switch

Greninja @ Expert Belt
Ability: Protean
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Grass Knot
- Scald
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam

Kartana
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Smart Strike
- Sacred Sword
- Aerial Ace

Blaziken-Mega @ Blazikenite
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Protect
- Stone Edge
- Blaze Kick
- Sky Uppercut

Thanks for your help
 
Your Blaziken basically needs a complete moveset change. Too much inaccurate moves that WILL end up screwing you up.

Flare Blitz + Low Kick are good enough as stabs. You can run a further coverage (but avoid rock as inaccurate)like Brave Bird or Brick Break if you want the utility, or even Sword Dance if you feel like in the position to use it,

There's also no point in having Aerial Ace on Kartana seeing it already has a 100% move in Smart Strike which is also stab. Protect, substitute are better options which increase its longevity, and Night Slash or Psycho Cut actually add some extra supereffective coverage if you want to go 4 attacks.
 
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