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Quick question:
Why would you use Magic Guard Life Orb when you can use Heavy Duty Boots Intrepid Sword?

The boost is retained during Dynamax, just like Life Orb, and most Prankster users are weak to at least one coverage move Darmanitan-Z packs

You are immune to passive Hail, Burn, and now hazards, so what else are you going to need to be shielded from that Magic Guard provides? Rocky Helmets? Baneful Bunkers/Spiky Shields?

The set of Wood Hammer / Icicle Crash / V-Create / Bolt Beak in a loser ‘s Team is doing less on all counts.

Power Whip can be used on Intrepid Sword sets, at 120 x 1.5 = 180 damage vs 156 (120 x 1.3 from MG Life Orb), putting it on par with Choice Band Desolate Land Solar Blade which is 125 x 1.5 = 187.5

This is an important difference since Rhydon can survive Life Orb Magic Guard:

+1 252 Atk Darmanitan-Galar Zen Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Rhydon: 388-460 (93.7 - 111.1%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

252 Atk Choice Band Darmanitan-Galar Zen Solar Blade vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Rhydon: 408-480 (98.5 - 115.9%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

VS:

252 Atk Life Orb Darmanitan-Galar Zen Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Rhydon: 338-400 (81.6 - 96.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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252 Atk Rhydon Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252 Def Darmanitan-Galar Zen: 372-438 (90 - 106%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

It’s pretty sad when something 4x weak to a 120 base power move can live it and KO you back. Since Topsy Turvey isn’t used on Prankster very often, if at all, it seems likely that a Darmanitan-Galar-Zen will hit before it loses its boost, and that’s if the target survives what Darmanitan-Zen-Mode uses in the first place.

+1 252 Atk Darmanitan-Galar-Z Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Tyranitar: 340-400 (84.1 - 99%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

252 Atk Life Orb Darmanitan-Galar-Z Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Tyranitar: 294-348 (72.7 - 86.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Tyranitar can secure KOs with STAB Rock in retaliation to Life Orb.

Like Life Orb, it isn’t Choice locked and can maintain a sense of bluffing Choice Band due to what Intrepid Sword sets typically use. Further, it is less vulnerable to Knock Off since lacking Power on something as frail as Darmanitan-Galar-Zen makes it more vulnerable to the other Pokemon that can survive its weaker hits. If Heavy Duty Boosts gets knocked off, it will not lose its +1 Atk, and since its already switched in before it loses it, it would need to be forced out again to take hazard damage. Offense is Darmanitan-Galar-Z’s defense, and with Intrepid Sword + Heavy Duty Boots, it has the main advantages of Magic Guard Life Orb, only with more power.
This is a nice idea, and admittedly I hadn't thought of it myself, but there is one major problem in the form of Imposter. The Imposter of a MG LO set is significantly weaker and easier to handle (especially considering it does not have the item). Non-Choiced Darmanitan sets thrive off having amazing coverage; replacing such a set with Intrepid Sword + Heavy-Duty Boots either greatly limits the viability of Imposter-proofing options, or forces the Darm set to drop coverage and allow it to be walled by more threats.

As an example, even with loser's team using one of the stronger improofs in FF Steelix, +2 Imposter is still a real threat:

+2 252 Atk Darmanitan-Galar-Zen Icicle Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Steelix: 141-166 (39.8 - 46.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

To put this into perspective, with Steelix taking much closer to 50 percent now it risks being ended if it gets flinched while trying to Recover or just if it's taken some chip damage elsewhere. There's a lot more breathing room in that situation with Magic Guard which would help recover momentum more easily.

Dynamax poses an even larger threat:

+2 252 Atk Darmanitan-Galar-Zen Max Hailstorm vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Steelix: 213-252 (60.1 - 71.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery


Personally I'd say the advantages aren't worth the risk/cost of trying to work around Imposter, and I often feel the same way about many Intrepid Sword sets despite their undeniable power. In general if you put Intrepid Sword on something your main concern should be whether you actually have the tools available to stomach a Dynamaxed Imposter - if the improof is breakable then the rest of the game can go sideways pretty quickly in that scenario, even though Imposter is technically the mon you have the most control over in the building phase.
 
This is a nice idea, and admittedly I hadn't thought of it myself, but there is one major problem in the form of Imposter. The Imposter of a MG LO set is significantly weaker and easier to handle (especially considering it does not have the item). Non-Choiced Darmanitan sets thrive off having amazing coverage; replacing such a set with Intrepid Sword + Heavy-Duty Boots either greatly limits the viability of Imposter-proofing options, or forces the Darm set to drop coverage and allow it to be walled by more threats.

As an example, even with loser's team using one of the stronger improofs in FF Steelix, +2 Imposter is still a real threat:

+2 252 Atk Darmanitan-Galar-Zen Icicle Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Steelix: 141-166 (39.8 - 46.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

To put this into perspective, with Steelix taking much closer to 50 percent now it risks being ended if it gets flinched while trying to Recover or just if it's taken some chip damage elsewhere. There's a lot more breathing room in that situation with Magic Guard which would help recover momentum more easily.

Dynamax poses an even larger threat:

+2 252 Atk Darmanitan-Galar-Zen Max Hailstorm vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Steelix: 213-252 (60.1 - 71.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery


Personally I'd say the advantages aren't worth the risk/cost of trying to work around Imposter, and I often feel the same way about many Intrepid Sword sets despite their undeniable power. In general if you put Intrepid Sword on something your main concern should be whether you actually have the tools available to stomach a Dynamaxed Imposter - if the improof is breakable then the rest of the game can go sideways pretty quickly in that scenario, even though Imposter is technically the mon you have the most control over in the building phase.
I guess as you typed this, you have missed my edit made about 12 minutes ago.
My Improof was Fur Coat Darmanitan-Zen Mode (Unova), which resists Ice, Fire, and Grass, and takes even less when Bolt Beak is Dynamaxed.

Further, I guess when the Dynamax suspect ends, Dynamax could end up completely banned.

I will post the part I edited my prior post, here below:

“Edit: If Imposter is an issue, then you could use a Fur Coat Pokemon, such as Unova Darmanitan-Zen Mode:

+2 252 Atk Darmanitan-Galar-Zen Bolt Beak (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Darmanitan-Zen: 151-178 (36.4 - 42.9%) -- 98.2% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Since it packs Spectral Thief, it could just steal its boosts (even on the second hit), and then Recover as Imposter is forced out, thanks to Leftovers. If packing it’s own Heavy Duty Boots, it would Recover on the second Bolt Beak, to stall a switch.”

For worst case scenario 42.9 x 2 (hits) = 85.8% - 12.5% (2 Leftovers) = 73.3% damage during the Spectral Thief turn.

Suddenly at half power, the most Imposter would do is + 21.45% to 73.3% = 94.75% - 6.25% from Leftovers = 88.5% damage

The third hit is the turn Darmanitan would have used Recover 88.5%-50% = 38.5% damage, leaving Darmanitan-Z at 61.5% HP ready to Baton Pass, or Heal again, and go for another round.
 
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This is a nice idea, and admittedly I hadn't thought of it myself, but there is one major problem in the form of Imposter. The Imposter of a MG LO set is significantly weaker and easier to handle (especially considering it does not have the item). Non-Choiced Darmanitan sets thrive off having amazing coverage; replacing such a set with Intrepid Sword + Heavy-Duty Boots either greatly limits the viability of Imposter-proofing options, or forces the Darm set to drop coverage and allow it to be walled by more threats.

As an example, even with loser's team using one of the stronger improofs in FF Steelix, +2 Imposter is still a real threat:

+2 252 Atk Darmanitan-Galar-Zen Icicle Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Steelix: 141-166 (39.8 - 46.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

To put this into perspective, with Steelix taking much closer to 50 percent now it risks being ended if it gets flinched while trying to Recover or just if it's taken some chip damage elsewhere. There's a lot more breathing room in that situation with Magic Guard which would help recover momentum more easily.

Dynamax poses an even larger threat:

+2 252 Atk Darmanitan-Galar-Zen Max Hailstorm vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Steelix: 213-252 (60.1 - 71.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery


Personally I'd say the advantages aren't worth the risk/cost of trying to work around Imposter, and I often feel the same way about many Intrepid Sword sets despite their undeniable power. In general if you put Intrepid Sword on something your main concern should be whether you actually have the tools available to stomach a Dynamaxed Imposter - if the improof is breakable then the rest of the game can go sideways pretty quickly in that scenario, even though Imposter is technically the mon you have the most control over in the building phase.
+2 252 Atk Darmanitan-Galar-Z Icicle Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Reshiram: 118-139 (29.2 - 34.4%) -- 5.4% chance to 3HKO

I just realized, from posting my Selfish set, that Reshiram makes an awesome check to Intrepid Sword Imposter Darmanitan-Galar-Z.

I also know it is a legit set since it is the Reshiram analysis:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/reshiram-qc-0-2.3661048/

In fact, the set even states:

“Spectral Thief allows Reshiram to check setup sweepers like Poison Heal Zekrom and Intrepid Sword users like Zacian-C and Galarian Darmanitan-Zen.”

The set packs Heavy-Duty Boots, and takes much less than your FF Steelix, with Reshiram tanking at an almost always 4HKO.

Sure, Imposter can Dynamax, but so can Reshiram, overall, Imposterproofing from a legit standard set is feasible, and offers strong utility in SpA Dragon Coverage and Burn.

I am sticking with Intrepid Sword Heavy-Duty Boots Darmanitan-Galar-Zen Mode, it offers power and can threaten so much more.
 
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I noticed that the Viability Rankings haven’t been updated for a long time so I would like to contribute for the first time. Some thoughts I have:

Zacian-Crowned S—> A+

This mon isn’t actually too hard to wall if you have good physical counterplay, especially since it’s now locked into its rusted sword item. Still its extremely high speed is respectable so I’d put it on par with Darm-gz and Zekrom.

Melmetal A+ —> A

This mon IS amazing but its overpopularity has made people come up with ways to defeat it and I often see it get overwhelmed by V-creates and Mold Breakers these days.

Aegislash, Ferrothorn B- —> C

These mons have really great typing but they actually don’t check much because of their lackluster bulk. For example Flash Fire Ferrothorn gets 2HKO’d by Band Intrepid Zeraora’s Bolt Beak, and Aegislash gets 2HKO’d by pretty much any decently strong neutral hit and gets 2HKO’d by specs refrigerate boomburst.

Snorlax, Umbreon to A

I know this is a pretty huge rise but these guys have good niches as the primary ice scales walls. Slapping one of these guys on your team lets you have a solid matchup verses the majority of special threats. Players are experimenting with ways to bypass these guys (close combat reshiram lol) so they might be becoming worse. Still deserves an A tier imo.

Doublade D -> B-

If you want to actually check stuff, this guy is better off than its evolution Aegislash since it can actually take decently strong physical hits with eviolite. It can use primordial sea/flash fire to cover up its fire weakness or fur coat to easily tank physical hits except strong V-creates or Earthquakes. It does hate getting knocked off however.

Keldeo D -> B-

Many players such as DF-Shock and superSkylake have experimented with Keldeo and I think it has shown its worth with its annoying poison heal quiver dance set or choiced primordial sea set. It is surprisingly annoying to deal with and can become a potent lategame sweeper.
 
Good initiative fwqef! I just desagree with Melmetal drop, FC / Prankster / Psea still great and it walls a lot of things.

Zacian-C -> S to A+

Same opinion, it is dangerous with high speed and Intrepid Sword but with the Rusted Sword and bad STAB coverage, must compensate with support moves (spore or hazards), powerful coverage (V-create / Earthquake), or setup move (SD).
I think it is solid, but doesn't deserve a S rank.

Darm-GZ A+ -> S

The most threatening offensive pokemon in the tier. With insane STAB coverage, and two fillers moves to beat its checks (Close Combat for Psea Zamazenta/Ferro, Bolt Beak for Golisopode/Corviknight, Photon Geyser for Eternatus FC, Earthquake for Darm-Zen), you will need to run often 2 checks Band version, because if you run only one, you must prey the opponent doesn't run a filler move who kill your check. This pokemon is so threatening, you will just switch to your check and gives tempo with U-turn. Also mention it is a good pokemon in HO, with Shell Smash Magic Guard. I know council doesn't agree with me, but it deserve a suspect.

Zekrom A+ -> A

Maybe overestimate. It is a good pokemon but could be walled by some FC user like Seismitoad or Melmetal.

Wobbuffet (imposter) A -> B+

I didn't think Imposter is so great. People are prepared, teams are imposter-proof with PH setup sweeper for exemple.
The metagame is very limited and Fur Coat / Ice Scales, this metagame already tends to be wall, so no need for a Scarf imposter to manage these threats. It still good to PPstall or prevent abusive setup but... It isn't so good.

Mewtwo A- -> B

Mewtwo lose the combinaison of Spore + Octolock, and it hurts. It is walled by special walls like Umbreon. SF LO and PH isn't great in the actual meta. It get outspeed, vulnerable to Knock off and Spectral Thief, isn't bulky... You will have better options if you want a PH, or a special offensive pokemon.

Umbreon C -> B+

The best Special wall, it walls so many pokemons (Eternatus / Reshiram / Mewtwo / Kyurem-W). I think A is quite abusive, Mixed set could kill it, it is kinda passive, predictible... But it is a great wall support.

Snorlax B- -> B+

One of best special wall. Could run PH / Ice Scales / Prankster efficiently. It is more versatile than Umbreon but still passive.


Keldeo D -> B

A lot of people saw me play a Keldeo PH, and yep it is good. It has an interesting STAB coverage, a quite good SPA, it outspeed all thing at +1. Secret Sword STAB hurts more Umbreon and Snorlax than a Reshiram PH or a Mewtwo PH, force them to recover more often. Specs Keldeo in rain (set-up by a drizzle or Psea) hurts a lot with Water Spout.
I think it deserve a B rank, clearly an underestimated PH offensive set with a niche set of Specs rain abuser.

Here you can see how each Keldeo sets pressure the opponent team : https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8balancedhackmons-1087895296-dcycw4ki4ei4rdl5rev5fip006xkwq6pw
 
Good initiative fwqef! I just desagree with Melmetal drop, FC / Prankster / Psea still great and it walls a lot of things.

Zacian-C -> S to A+

Same opinion, it is dangerous with high speed and Intrepid Sword but with the Rusted Sword and bad STAB coverage, must compensate with support moves (spore or hazards), powerful coverage (V-create / Earthquake), or setup move (SD).
I think it is solid, but doesn't deserve a S rank.

Darm-GZ A+ -> S

The most threatening offensive pokemon in the tier. With insane STAB coverage, and two fillers moves to beat its checks (Close Combat for Psea Zamazenta/Ferro, Bolt Beak for Golisopode/Corviknight, Photon Geyser for Eternatus FC, Earthquake for Darm-Zen), you will need to run often 2 checks Band version, because if you run only one, you must prey the opponent doesn't run a filler move who kill your check. This pokemon is so threatening, you will just switch to your check and gives tempo with U-turn. Also mention it is a good pokemon in HO, with Shell Smash Magic Guard. I know council doesn't agree with me, but it deserve a suspect.

Zekrom A+ -> A

Maybe overestimate. It is a good pokemon but could be walled by some FC user like Seismitoad or Melmetal.

Wobbuffet (imposter) A -> B+

I didn't think Imposter is so great. People are prepared, teams are imposter-proof with PH setup sweeper for exemple.
The metagame is very limited and Fur Coat / Ice Scales, this metagame already tends to be wall, so no need for a Scarf imposter to manage these threats. It still good to PPstall or prevent abusive setup but... It isn't so good.

Mewtwo A- -> B

Mewtwo lose the combinaison of Spore + Octolock, and it hurts. It is walled by special walls like Umbreon. SF LO and PH isn't great in the actual meta. It get outspeed, vulnerable to Knock off and Spectral Thief, isn't bulky... You will have better options if you want a PH, or a special offensive pokemon.

Umbreon C -> B+

The best Special wall, it walls so many pokemons (Eternatus / Reshiram / Mewtwo / Kyurem-W). I think A is quite abusive, Mixed set could kill it, it is kinda passive, predictible... But it is a great wall support.

Snorlax B- -> B+

One of best special wall. Could run PH / Ice Scales / Prankster efficiently. It is more versatile than Umbreon but still passive.


Keldeo D -> B

A lot of people saw me play a Keldeo PH, and yep it is good. It has an interesting STAB coverage, a quite good SPA, it outspeed all thing at +1. Secret Sword STAB hurts more Umbreon and Snorlax than a Reshiram PH or a Mewtwo PH, force them to recover more often. Specs Keldeo in rain (set-up by a drizzle or Psea) hurts a lot with Water Spout.
I think it deserve a B rank, clearly an underestimated PH offensive set with a niche set of Specs rain abuser.

Here you can see how each Keldeo sets pressure the opponent team : https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8balancedhackmons-1087895296-dcycw4ki4ei4rdl5rev5fip006xkwq6pw
I have used PH Keldeo to great success, Water Spout, Eruption, Secret Sword, Quiver Dance was a pleasant surprise to most people, as Secret Sword bypasses Ice Scales, and Eruption hits Fur Coat Pokemon, and does strong nuetral damage against Golisipod who resists both of its STABs. Photon Geyser (Eternatus, Toxapex), Moongeist Beam (Lunala/Dawn-Wings) however I can see has its Merits

I agree with your B rank nomination:

I noticed that the Viability Rankings haven’t been updated for a long time so I would like to contribute for the first time. Some thoughts I have:

Zacian-Crowned S—> A+

This mon isn’t actually too hard to wall if you have good physical counterplay, especially since it’s now locked into its rusted sword item. Still its extremely high speed is respectable so I’d put it on par with Darm-gz and Zekrom.

Melmetal A+ —> A

This mon IS amazing but its overpopularity has made people come up with ways to defeat it and I often see it get overwhelmed by V-creates and Mold Breakers these days.

Aegislash, Ferrothorn B- —> C

These mons have really great typing but they actually don’t check much because of their lackluster bulk. For example Flash Fire Ferrothorn gets 2HKO’d by Band Intrepid Zeraora’s Bolt Beak, and Aegislash gets 2HKO’d by pretty much any decently strong neutral hit and gets 2HKO’d by specs refrigerate boomburst.

Snorlax, Umbreon to A

I know this is a pretty huge rise but these guys have good niches as the primary ice scales walls. Slapping one of these guys on your team lets you have a solid matchup verses the majority of special threats. Players are experimenting with ways to bypass these guys (close combat reshiram lol) so they might be becoming worse. Still deserves an A tier imo.

Doublade D -> B-

If you want to actually check stuff, this guy is better off than its evolution Aegislash since it can actually take decently strong physical hits with eviolite. It can use primordial sea/flash fire to cover up its fire weakness or fur coat to easily tank physical hits except strong V-creates or Earthquakes. It does hate getting knocked off however.

Keldeo D -> B-

Many players such as DF-Shock and superSkylake have experimented with Keldeo and I think it has shown its worth with its annoying poison heal quiver dance set or choiced primordial sea set. It is surprisingly annoying to deal with and can become a potent lategame sweeper.
I totally agree with Doublade to B-, as unlike Aegislash, it has strong Atk, which can allow it to hit decently hard with moves like Spectral Thief, and Body Press for consistent coverage to avoid being too passive. Fur Coat and Flash Fire make the best movesets potent and enable it to serve additional purported on the team to tank the fighting hits Melmetal, and even a Corviknight struggle with, such as Body Press from Cotton Guard Zamazenta-C. Doublade is literally its best switch-ins.

Further, I think immunity to Rapid Spin offers great utility, and if packing Prankster, Taunt works well enough to block Defog or Court Change, which pairs nicely with Haze, handling both offensive and defensive Pokemon on Balanced Teams nicely.

Not sure in Snorlax rising to A, I feel B+ is fine for it due to the PH set allowing to tank status, Knock Off, and set up without fear of Spectral. Photon is still an issue against Mewtwo, Solgaleo/Dusk-Mane, and Dawn-Wings/Lunala, regardless of Fur Coat or Ice Scales, and I would say it’s good, but not great (if using Ice Scales it really has an issue Vs physical moves). It also competes with Type-Null on non-PH Sets due to higher mixed bulk.

Umbreon, while passive works well blocking Prankster target moves, and tanks Photon with ease. STAB Foul Play can negate its low Attack issues (and means it can minimize Attack Vs opposing Strength Sap), while Knock Off doesn’t really care about damage and punishes Imposter. I think it also pairs nicely with Zacian-C so this way of the foe sends in Imposter Vs Umbreon, Zacian-C can tank Knock Off without item loss, and threaten with Play Rough. I like Umbreon, but I feel it’s a solid B, not A. Stray U-Turns, opposing Zamazenta/Zacian-C, and common Fighting-type moves make Mandibuzz more appealing at times due to immunity to Ground and nuetrality to Fighting/Bug.
 
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Although these nominations may not be accurate by the end of the Shell Smash suspect, I have some interest in the metagame and would like to share my thoughts.

S Rank

S

:Zacian-Crowned:Zacian-Crowned

S-

:Eternatus:Eternatus
:Zekrom:Zekrom

A Rank

A+

:Darmanitan-Galar-Zen:Darmanitan-Galar-Zen
:Reshiram:Reshiram
:Zamazenta-Crowned:Zamazenta-Crowned

A

:melmetal:Melmetal
:Zamazenta:Zamazenta

A-

:Kyurem-White:Kyurem-White
:Lunala:Lunala
:Seismitoad:Seismitoad
:Wobbuffet:Wobbuffet

B Rank

B+

:Golisopod:Golisopod
:Mewtwo:Mewtwo
:Snorlax:Snorlax

B

:Barraskewda:Barraskewda
:Kyurem-Black:Kyurem-Black
:Solgaleo:Solgaleo
:Zacian:Zacian
:Zeraora:Zeraora

B-

:Aegislash:Aegislash
:Darmanitan-Zen:Darmanitan-Zen
:Dragapult:Dragapult
:Excadrill:Excadrill
:Ferrothorn:Ferrothorn
:Gyarados:Gyarados
:Incineroar:Incineroar
:Necrozma-Dusk-Mane:Necrozma Dusk Mane

Banish Zone

:Toxapex:Toxapex


Important nominations:

:zacian-crowned: Stays S
:eternatus: S -> S-

These two nominations go somewhat hand in hand as I believe that Zacian-Crowned is by far the best mon in the current metagame. Eternatus doesn't have as much variation by set as Zacian-Crowned does and despite its incredible role compression, only its defensive sets are really worth running. Offensive Eternatus has fallen off considerably in the past few months due to a rise in Ice Scales mons like Incineroar, Snorlax and Zamazenta-Crowned, which can make breaking a much harder job for Eternatus than it was prior to its rise, and FC / Prankster sets have had to deal with the onslaught of Reshiram currently in the metagame. Zacian-Crowned on the other hand, is more triumphant over Eternatus as the last two slots on Zacian-Crowned are basically free, allowing it to punish pretty much every check on the initial scout, and even if the movepool is discovered Zacian-Crowned can find its way through many teams such as with Strength Sap + Taunt, Spikes, coverage like Grav Apple / Power Whip, Fishious Rend, Bolt Beak and V-create. Adaptations to these moves have been seen in builds with a greater increase in Seismitoad and Golisopod usage, as well as more usage of Fur Coat Steel resists like Reshiram, and even with all of these adaptations Zacian-Crowned continues to shine more and more with its ever expanding set of options. Baton Pass + Strength Sap has recently gotten usage and is a prime team support member on more offensive teams that can boost certain Pokemon like Zekrom off the bat. All of this combined presence makes Eternatus feel bad compared to Zacian-Crowned, and thus I feel that Eternatus should drop as a result.

:zekrom: A+ -> S-

PH Spikes was already an incredible set but the recent innovations in Zekrom, especially in Smash meta make it a major standout offensive Pokemon. Galvanize + Shell Smash has recently been gaining traction as it bypasses the common ISword / PH answers like FC Eternatus, Seismitoad and Melmetal, which has been making the mindgames that involve Zekrom very difficult in tournament cases. Among the mentioned FC Melmetal, it dropping off also gives Zekrom a massive advantage in the current metagame as it no longer has to potentially deal with an inability to progress through teams without a spinblocking opponent or way to surpass Melmetal. Further adaptations to the meta also make Zekrom more preferred as an increase in Reshiram usage has made FC / IC cores much weaker than they were a few months ago - this directly effects other, more situational Zekrom answers like both Zamazenta forms. Overall this makes Zekrom even stronger than it was in the last update and I feel like this puts it on the level of Eternatus in terms of building strength.

:reshiram: A -> A+ (potentially S- if metagame trends continue to favour Reshiram)

Reshiram's surge in usage has been a massive one. In just a few short weeks the discovery of mixed Shell Smash sets and some other wallbreaking sets such as Desolate Land have turned otherwise perfect defensive cores into ashes. Whilst I do believe that Reshiram is getting prepared for much more heavily now, with increases in Primordial Sea Zacian and further increases in Seismitoad usage, it has risen significantly from where it was last as due to the discoveries of these potent mixed sets. More defensive approaches to Reshiram have also risen in usage as an attempt to combat the ever oppressive Darmanitan-Galar-Zen, such as FC and Prankster. These sets differ in approach to Eternatus as they tend to be considerably less passive due to Reshiram's much better two move coverage. With all of this, I believe that Reshiram is the best Pokemon in A+ and potentially could rise to S- given the conditions of the volatile metagame.

:melmetal: A+ -> A
:wobbuffet: A -> A-

Both of these have been touched on by the thread already but the general consensus around both of these mons are that they are outdated in the current metagame due to passivity issues or a general lack of bulk. Melmetal generally tends to be swapped out for Zamazenta-Crowned due to its better mixed bulk and the lack of viable Flying-types in the current metagame, therefore making Zamazenta-Crowned's lack of resistances less of an issue. Its offensive potential is also poor compared to it - Zamazenta-Crowned is very capable of offensive sets like Intrepid Sword and certain abilities in combination with Shell Smash that make it a much more threatening Pokemon on preview. Wobbuffet is here due to a general lack of need for usage - it doesn't really handle Shell Smash very well due to a rise in some Multi-Attack setup sweepers and the tight compression of defensive cores doesn't really allow for a spot for Wobbuffet that much.

:seismitoad: B -> A-

This is a pretty significant rise but I do feel that it is justified given that the metagame has shifted away from FC Steels and is now much more centered around the Broken Moves (Fishious Rend, Bolt Beak, V-create and Shell Smash) all of which Seismitoad happen to be great resists of the common users of. Most Zacian-C and Zekrom sets have trouble dealing with Seismitoad from preview and these attributes in the current meta cannot be understated as it makes teambuilding significantly more lenient for their alternate sets, such as Grav Apple Zacian-C. Other sets alternate to FC have also started finding niches in BH, such as Shell Smash and Poison Heal as either role compressors on offensive teams or as alternate ways of walling common Pokemon that have adapted to FC through the use of Mold Breaker / Mold Breaker moves or a way of fitting a wincon that can decently handle Zacian-Crowned and Zekrom. Overall I think that Seismitoad has been a pretty well hidden threat for most of SS BH and deserves a significant rise.

:snorlax: B- -> B+

Snorlax rises in a similar way that Seismitoad has been - its continued splashability as an Ice Scales wall, PH wincon or as a Prankster user has been shown in tournaments through usage and through games. The standardization of Facade on non-PH sets also means that Snorlax is a pretty strong punisher of status moves, thus making it a pretty decent sponge throughout a match. Not too much to say on this one that isn't already obvious or hasn't already been said but this is a nomination I feel is pretty important.

:mewtwo: A- -> B+

As of right now I don't really think that Mewtwo is particularly great - whilst it's not had anything detrimental happen to it, the increased usage of Snorlax as well as competition from Necrozma-Dawn-Wings / Lunala as a Shell Smasher and general wincon makes Mewtwo a difficult Pokemon to consider in the current metagame in my opinion, and as such I feel a small drop is warranted.

:solgaleo: B- -> B

Exclusively a nomination for Shell Smash Solgaleo, ignore this nomination if Shell Smash goes (hopefully)

:zeraora: B+ -> B

Zeraora's place in the metagame isn't very well defined - it suffers from extremely heavy competition from Zekrom and doesn't have any major niche over it other than its Speed. Other than this continued dominance of Zacian-Crowned and a small rise in usage of alternatives such as Dragapult make Zeraora difficult to justify as an attacker in the current metagame. This is more effected by an increase of usage in the Unovan Dragons more than anything.

:zacian: B- -> B

Zacian has been seeing small upticks in usage due to the massive usage of Reshiram and lack of coverage wielding Eternatus with its Primordial Sea sets, which utilize its unique typing in order to outright wall some of the best Pokemon in the metagame. The fall of FC Steels also makes Zacian a little easier to justify when building. However, it still stands out as only being a pretty niche option, and as such I'd only nominate it for a small rise to B.

:toxapex: B- -> whatever below B- idc

Toxapex doesn't really have a lasting niche in comparison to everything in B-, and ESPECIALLY when compared to Eternatus. It's just not that great; if I'm wrong about this you are free to reply but I'm sure nobody would mind this being taken a few steps downward.
 
Since the meta has changed so much rather than nomming individually I'm just going to post my idea of a VR of the current meta.
A lot of these are similar to MAMP's discord thing which I think she will post soon.
S Rank

S

:Eternatus:Eternatus
:Zacian-Crowned:Zacian-Crowned
These two mons still define the meta. Both are incredibly fast, with Zacian-C being nearly impossible to pressure offensively while usually relying on at least two mons per team to defensively check it (along with another soft check like Poison Heal something). Etern is still an amazing blanket check to the meta that is difficult to actually pressure because like people have said before, most things that check it such as Zamazenta-C can't actually pressure it while most things that pressure it are slower and weak to Etern. In fact M2 and certain DGZs are the only mons that are not slower than Etern and can OHKO it (there are basically 0 viable scarfers that OHKO it). You can call this mon overprepped and dropping in usage but its dominating presence cannot be ignored and even whatever people are bringing for it aren't super solid counters either. Offensive Etern is definitely falling off though.

S-

:Reshiram:
Reshiram (From A)
:Zekrom:
Zekrom (From A+)
These two Dragons define the Balance meta right now. Poison Heal Reshiram and Zekrom are so versatile and threatening that they are able to put in work almost all the time in any matchup just by not getting worn down, gaining momentum, spreading status and Koff, and setting hazards. Reshiram is the weaker of the two but its burn spreading Lava Plume as well as its incredible defensive presence (Fur Coat Reshiram is the best Zacian-C counter if one needs to role compress) makes it super splashable (see second highest usage in OMPL). Zekrom is one of the most threatening and unpredictable mons right now, with Poison Heal sets being able to provide long term pressure while its offensive sets being very flexible with moves, abilities, and items (you only need Bolt Beak and a Dragon STAB). They basically have influenced metagame developments, such as Primarina, PSea Zacian, and Ferrothorn that are warped around reliably checking and pressuring them. I believe the creation of S- is necessary as Zekrom is clear cut above everything else while Reshiram is imo better than the two mons in A+, but I can take Reshiram in A+ as well.

A Rank

A+

:Darmanitan-Galar-Zen:Darmanitan-Galar-Zen
:Zamazenta-Crowned:Zamazenta-Crowned
Not much have changed for these mons. DGZ is still one of the most threatening wallbreakers in the meta. Zamazenta-C is incredibly splashable (to the point where pdt has used the term "Zama-C slot") as a defensive blanket check depending on ability.

A

:Kyurem-White:
Kyurem-White (From A-)
Great rising wallbreaker that takes advantage of Etern, Resh, and Zek which are massive threats in the meta. Actually difficult to counter without Ice Scales which it can still break with stuff like broken Trick or just chip damage.
:Wobbuffet:Wobbuffet
Always criticized but Imposter honestly isn't that bad as it can soft check every single breaker while scouting is actually a godsend in this meta where a lot of teams are dependent on several checks to mons depending on coverage (notably for Zacian-C and DGZ).
:Zamazenta:Zamazenta
Still a solid mon but faces competition from the other PHs. Cotton Guard is a strong late game wincon however as it can PP stall several Etern sets.

A-

:Golisopod:
Golisopod (From B+)
Super splashable mon because of how much it provides, slow pivoting that is threatening is great, hazards is great, Ground-resist is incredible, other resists are valuable, and it's actually very difficult to pressure this because it has a Shield move 99% of the time and the weaknesses are practically nonexistent in the meta outside of Bolt Beak, which it can usually just scout with Shield or U-turn on the Zekrom.
:melmetal:
Melmetal (From A+)
It's just not as splashable as Zamazenta-C and the Fairy/Flying neutrality really means nothing in this meta right now. The special bulk drop and too low of a speed is just not as good.
:Mewtwo:Mewtwo
Sheer Force is still a strong breaker but losing Smash kinda hurts because it needed +2 Focus Miss to OHKO Scales mons. Poison Heal on the other hand is incredible as it can reliably threaten Etern while there aren't really great long term switch-ins because Wisp is a broken move. Psysurge unban could lead to some interesting sets too.

B Rank

B+

:Lunala:
Lunala (From A-)
Suffering a lot when a ton of teams are carrying Snorlax/Umbreon/RegenVester etc. It just doesn't hit very hard and cannot punish its checks at all unless Trick. That being said while Specs sets are bad it does have great bulk to run some utility sets that can offensive pressure Etern. Garbage spinblocker though. RIP the amazing Smash Geist Photon CC set though that was actually good.
:Seismitoad:
Seismitoad (From B)
Actually incredible mon because it blanket checks half the meta. A couple of options too ranging from classic FC to Bounce to PH. Ground STAB is really good and Scald is annoying to deal with as well. A sole weakness means a lot of physical attackers actually have to resort to running Grass coverage which hardly covers anything else outside of a Def drop.
:Snorlax:
Snorlax (From B-)
Poison Heal Lax is incredibly versatile with blanket checking special mons and acting as a strong pivot. Regular defensive sets are still good too with Facade being really strong and hard to punish. Appreciates Melmetal declining.

B

:Barraskewda:Barraskewda
Fish is still alright ig. Hard to check if you don't have Etern or big FC resist.
:Darmanitan-Zen:
Darmanitan-Zen (From B-)
Really rising in usage because its typing is so incredible. Ton of useful resists to check Zacian-C Reshiram Mewtwo while its strong SpA and Psychic typing makes it an excellent defensive switch in to Etern. Psychic also does a ton to would be Lava Plume absorbers like Seismitoad and Golisopod. Atrocious atk makes it a great Sap absorber too.
:Dragapult:
Dragapult (From B-)
Not sure on this but its amazing speed and offensive typing leaves a lot of room for innovation with this mon. Adaptability is likely the only set but there aren't a lot of defensive switch-ins. Only problem is actually forcing switches as 120 100 is weak af.
:Kyurem-Black:Kyurem-Black
Kyurem-B is still Kyurem-B, basically worse Kyurem-W but has strong priority which is helpful for cleaning up Etern and some possibilities of innovation beyond that.
:Zeraora:
Zeraora (From B+)
It is basically outclassed by Zekrom. Outspeeding Zamazenta is nice and all but when everything is prepping for Zekrom this isn't breaking teams at all.

B-

:Excadrill:Excadrill
Matches DGZ level of wallbreaking potential (probably even better) but garbage speed tier prevents it from being higher since it requires extensive team support. If it's Scarf it has no breaking power.
:Gyarados:Gyarados
Decent mon overall. PH is pretty solid as it can soft check Zacian-C and Reshiram and Ground immunity is never bad.
:Marshadow:
Marshadow (From C)
Poison Heal has cemented itself to be solid from SL42's games as a great spinblocker and long term pressure source.
:Necrozma-Dawn-Wings:
Necrozma Dawn Wings (From C)
You might as well go NDW for Specs sets compared to Lunala as its extra power really makes it actually threatening to offensive mons like the Dragons and Zacian-C.
:Necrozma-Dusk-Mane:
Necrozma Dusk Mane
:Primarina:
Primarina (From D)
Very solid Reshiram check and with Volt Absorb Zekrom check and with Ice Scales Kyurem check. Not passive either as dual STABs have great individual neutral coverage and utility with burns and SpA drops. Poison Heal is actually threatening if you give it setup (which you should otherwise Resh isn't pressured and Spectral is so bad).
:Solgaleo:
Solgaleo
Both are similar so they should be in the same rank as Solg has a far better speed tier but NDM's extra power lets it do some nice stuff with Scarf. STAB Physical Photon is great to beat a ton of physical walls like Etern and Toad while Steels are pretty easy to abuse with two coverage moves or something (I mean it is really only Melm since Zamazenta-C takes chunks from Photon).
:Zacian:Zacian
Pretty much one-trick with PSea but it is the most versatile Fairy so you can slap some other abilities to play around with. Checks Resh checks Zama checks other stuff with Immunity abilities.

C Rank

:Aegislash:
Aegislash (From B-)
Garbage mon 0 bulk can't spinblock.
:Ferrothorn:
Ferrothorn (From C)
Bulk is really unfortunate since it cannot run both FC and FF at the same time.
:Incineroar:
Incineroar
Umbreon with burn immunity, also soft checks Zacian-C with nice Fire typing.
:Keldeo:
Keldeo (From D)
Better than the D rank and the PH set, while I never used it, doesn't sound bad with Fighting STAB to deter the common SpD mons in Lax and Darks while Scald is broken.
:Lapras:
Lapras (From D)
Kinda similar to Darm-Z but worse typing. Scald is really good and Freeze-Dry is literal freeze machine. Checks Kyurems easily as well as Etern sets. Situation GMax Veil for some niche moments too. Biggest weakness is cannot run Ice Scales and Volt Absorb at the same time as well as having no room for utility moves but you can probably just spam Freeze-Dry for utility lol.
:Steelix:Steelix
Actually good because hard Zekrom check and STAB Earthquake but it can be taken advantage depending on ability. Bounce gets bopped by V-create, everything else lets Spikes go up, FF gets bopped by Mold Breaker stuff, PrimSea gets bopped by Wisp, all are weak to Earthquake too.
:Umbreon:Umbreon
Much more passive than Lax but gets the job done as a special wall and Psychic immunity is useful for Psystrikes.

D Rank

:Corviknight:Corviknight
Ground immunity and Flying-STAB with a Defog effect makes this mon useable.
:Doublade:Doublade
Nice bulk, maybe this is actually better than Aegislash.
:gastrodon:Gastrodon (From UR).
Almost worse Toad but it's stronger Special bulk lets it check Reshiram + Zekrom together better (Relaxed Slug better than Sassy Toad), stronger attacks too.
:gourgeist-super:Gourgeist-Super (From UR)
Pretty solid spinblocker that has the coveted Grass-typing.
:Hippowdon:Hippowdon
Better phys bulk than Toad and no 4x weaknesses to play around.
:Jellicent:Jellicent
Decent ghost and Water-type, not bad spinblocker.
:Mandibuzz:Mandibuzz
Worse Umbreon but Fighting neutrality makes it a much better M2 check.
:milotic:Milotic (From UR)
:Pikachu:Pikachu
Idt anyone has actually made a decent Chu team but with fragile improofing maybe something like Tailwind could work.
:Rhydon:
Rhydon (From C)
Hardly any reason to use this over say Toad because Burns actually affect it.
:Runerigus:
Runerigus
I would say UR but compressing a Ground and a Zama check is alright.
:Toxapex:
Toxapex (From B-)
I have never seen this mon ever. You need all the abilities in the meta to make it work. Can't check Resh well bait for Zek can't check Etern well can't check Kyu-W well hardly checks Zac-C at all. Best it can do is check like Zacian and Zamazenta and Steels but honestly just use Etern or Golis.
:Type-Null:
Type: Null (From C)
When you can't run Poison Heal or have strong offensive presence Lax.
:Tyranitar:
Tyranitar (From C)
I have never seen this mon ever. I don't even know what the sets for this are. Can go UR fwiw.
:vaporeon:Vaporeon (From UR)
Two bulky waters that actually resist Fire. Milotic is faster but Vaporeon has slightly better bulk I think.

UR

:bisharp:
Bisharp
What does he do.
:Centiskorch:
Centiskorch
Haha Ground-neutrality.
:Chandelure:
Chandelure
Reshiram, Lunala, NDW.
:Dusclops:
Dusclops
Most passive mon like ever?
:Escavalier:
Escavalier
Haha Ground-neutrality.
:Torkoal:
Torkoal
Reshiram
 
I think the VR is well overdue for an update, as there have been a number of bans and significant metagame shifts in the last 2 months. Here are some nominations:

RISES
:reshiram: Reshiram A > A+
Lately, Reshiram has felt like one of the best Pokemon in the tier. Defensive Reshiram sets have picked up enormously over the last month and during OMPL, and that's had a pretty noticeable impact on the metagame. Reshiram is just so incredibly versatile, possibly the most versatile Pokemon in the whole metagame, and it's really hard to effectively prepare for. Other people have advocated for this to go to S, and I don't think it quite deserves to go that far yet, but it's definitely close.

:darmanitan-zen: Darmanitan-Zen B- > B+
Darm-Z is really well-positioned at the moment. I like it a lot as one of the few Pokemon that can usually safely switch into Eternatus and actually force it out. Depending on its set, it can comfortably take on Zacian-C, DGZ, Kyurem-W, and Reshiram, and it has a pretty serious damage output. It also can run some more offensive sets like Desolate Land that are legitimately difficult to switch into. Really cool Pokemon overall.

:seismitoad: Seismitoad B > B+
Compressing a really solid Zacian-C, DGZ, and Zekrom check into one slot is already a strong niche, and Seismitoad does a whole lot more. Seismitoad's strength really is a testament to just how absurdly good the Ground typing is in the current metagame. It's a bit inflexible but it's one of the best walls in the metagame at the moment and should move up to reflect that.

:snorlax: Snorlax B- > B+
PH Snorlax is a legitimately excellent Pokemon with a bunch of variants that all offer a lot of utility both offensively and defensively. Other sets like Prankster and Ice Scales are decent too, and Snorlax really appreciates how popular Eternatus and Reshiram are at the moment.

:necrozma-dawn-wings: Necrozma-Dawn-Wings C > B-
I don't think anything has actually changed for Dawn Wings to warrant a shift, I just think it's underranked at C. Its speed tier is a pretty big drawback compared to Lunala, but the extra power lets it bust through stuff like Snorlax and Umbreon more easily and gives it enough of a niche that I feel like C rank undersells it.

:keldeo: Keldeo D > C
Keldeo is an important role player on rain teams, which have picked up a bit lately. I've been fairly unimpressed by sets like PH and Specs, I think they struggle a bit too much with Eternatus and don't offer a whole lot defensively, but I do think Keldeo is worth ranking higher on account of its place on rain.

:primarina: Primarina D > C
Primarina is really sick at the moment. Switches into most variants of Eternatus and Reshiram, depending on its ability can also check stuff like Kyurem-W and Zekrom, and has real offensive presence. Its more offensive sets like Pixilate and PH Quiver Dance are quite underrated as well I think. It can be hard to fit onto teams sometimes, but it definitely feels out of place in D.

:gourgeist: Gourgeist UR > D
This usually runs PH or FC. It spinblocks, checks Zekrom, and hits reasonably hard with Spectral Thief. Can be hard to fit on teams because it's not actually that bulky.

:gastrodon: Gastrodon UR > D
It's Seismitoad but worse against physical attackers in exchange for taking on Reshiram a bit better. Not often worth running, but definitely still solid enough to deserve a rank IMO.



DROPS
:zacian-crowned: Zacian-Crowned S > A+
Maybe a controversial one, but I just don't think this Pokemon is S rank material anymore. People are getting a lot better at building teams that aren't weak to it, and being unable to Dynamax and restricted in its item and ability choice makes it a little bit predictable and easy to lure. It also really doesn't appreciate the rise of Reshiram or the drop-off of Pokemon like CB Zamazenta and Zeraora. I think Zacian-C is just a step below Eternatus at the moment.

:melmetal: Melmetal A+ > A-
Melmetal at A+ has felt very out of place for quite a while. Melman Metal has had a pretty dramatic fall from grace lately, as his defensive sets are not as effective as they used to be and Fur Coat dragons and Zamazenta-C have eaten into his metagame share. I talked about this more in a post on the main thread, but basically Melmetal has gotten worse in just about every way, and he is certainly no longer the metagame juggernaut he once was.

:mewtwo: Mewtwo A- > B+
I think Mewtwo is just a bit too unproven to be ranked as high as it is. I think this Pokemon is still unexplored and has a ton of potential, but it's really hard to justify ranking it so high when that potential hasn't been demonstrated. Most of the time when I run this Pokemon it seems really good on paper, but it struggles a bit too much against stuff like Snorlax and Zacian-C and isn't quite strong enough to get the kills you want.

:lunala: Lunala A- > B+
Teams are prepared for Lunala's Specs set far better than they used to be and Knock Off has become really popular lately, so it doesn't just get free kills with Moongeist against most teams anymore. It's also really hard to find opportunities to get it in. I think bulkier sets like PH, RegenVest and Fur Coat are kinda cool because they can pretty consistently switch into Eternatus and force it out, but they really struggle to threaten a lot of teams in my experience.

:zeraora: Zeraora B+ > B
The rise in popularity of Eternatus and Fur Coat dragons more generally is awful for Zeraora. It feels like every team nowadays has some fat Reshiram or Eternatus and Zeraora really struggles to threaten either of those. It's still a pretty terrifying Pokemon to deal with because you have to play so cautiously with your electric resists or it's just going to find an opening and kill everyone, but against Pokemon like Fur Coat Eternatus that opening is extremely difficult to find.

:aegislash: Aegislash B- > C
It's cool that Aegislash can spinblock, but besides that niche it's pretty tough to justify it over other Steel types, especially with offensive Zamazenta getting less popular. Compared to the competition, Aegislash is slower, frailer, more passive, and has a bunch more weaknesses: it just doesn't stack up. Like last generation, its weaknesses to Knock Off and Spectral Thief really are a death sentence for it and it struggles so much to stay healthy. Always gives up a bunch of momentum too, because it usually has to recover a lot.

:tyranitar: Tyranitar C > D
My experience with Tyranitar is that it just doesn't do very much. Defensively it's alright but often feels outclassed by Umbreon and it really gets abused by all sorts of common Pokemon. I've tried more offensive sets as well but found them to be really matchup specific, as its too slow and struggles too much against Eternatus, Zamazenta-C, and Melmetal to be consistent. I think Tyranitar might be underexplored, but as it stands I think this Pokemon is really hard to fit onto teams.

:rhydon: Rhydon C > D
Knock Off and Will-o-Wisp have become a lot more popular lately, Zekrom is increasingly running sets that take advantage of Pokemon like Rhydon, and teams are far better prepared for Ground-type moves than they used to be. I love Rhydon a lot, but I think it doesn't do very much against most teams and is easily shut down. My favourite Rhydon set right now is Desolate Land with Shift Gear and V-create, but it's a little bit gimmicky and slow to really be effective.

:type-null: Type: Null C > D
Null is bulky as shit but its passive and prone to being worn down by Knock Off and status and hazards. I think this Pokemon is really overrated and usually doesn't do very much.

:toxapex: Toxapex B- > D
Toxapex kinda lacks a niche and really shouldn't have been ranked this high to begin with. It doesn't really consistently wall anything because it's weak to so many common offensive types and it's outclassed in most of what it does by Eternatus and other Water types.



UNRANKED
:bisharp: Bisharp
:centiskorch: Centiskorch
:chandelure: Chandelure
:dusclops: Dusclops
:escavalier: Escavalier
:runerigus: Runerigus
:torkoal: Torkoal
 
Viability Rankings Update (May 19, 2020)
Rises
:Snorlax:Snorlax B- -> B+
:Keldeo:Keldeo D -> C
:Seismitoad:Seismitoad B -> B+
:Reshiram:Reshiram A -> A+
:Darmanitan-Zen:Darmanitan-Zen B- -> B
:Marshadow:Marshadow C -> B-
:Necrozma Dawn Wings:Necrozma Dawn Wings C -> B-
:Doublade:Doublade D -> C
:Incineroar:Incineroar D -> C
:Primarina:Primarina D -> C
:Zacian:Zacian B- -> B

Drops
:Melmetal:Melmetal A+ -> A-
:Zeraora:Zeraora B+ -> B
:Aegislash:Aegislash B- -> C
:Ferrothorn:Ferrothorn B- -> C
:Toxapex:Toxapex B- -> C
:Rhydon:Rhydon C -> D
:Type-Null:Type: Null C -> D
:Lunala:Lunala A- -> B+
:Bisharp:Bisharp D -> UR
:Centiskorch:Centiskorch D -> UR
:Chandelure:Chandelure D -> UR
:Dusclops:Dusclops D -> UR
:Escavalier:Escavalier D -> UR
:Torkoal:Torkoal D -> UR
:Runerigus:Runerigus D -> UR

Newly Added
:Vaporeon:Vaporeon UR -> D
:Milotic:Milotic UR -> D
:Gastrodon:Gastrodon UR -> D
:Gourgeist-Super:Gourgeist-Super UR -> D
The last three posts do a pretty great job of explaining most of these changes so I'm not going to double down on their comments as I agree with most of them. The rules have changed since the last VR update, with the Forme Clause implemented, Shell Smash being banned, and Psychic Surge being unbanned. The meta is still ruled by Eternatus, the crowned dogs, the funny snowman, and the Unova Dragons despite these changes. Each of these mons are extremely powerful and versatile threats, both offensively and defensively.

Most notable changes:
:Snorlax:Snorlax B- -> B+
:Seismitoad:Seismitoad B -> B+
:Reshiram:Reshiram A -> A+
:Melmetal:Melmetal A+ -> A-
:garbodor-gmax: We also cleaned out some of the stragglers in D Rank

View the council's votes here
 
I am in actual tears of joy. Hiatus officially broken!

For the first time in... ever! Darmanitan-Z is rising! And we are not talking about the temperature! It is now far and above its (formerly) biggest rival— Toxapex, who wallows in C-tank, or for anyone who knows “C ya later!” Rank because it’s not that special!

As Toxapex continues to dissolve in a dirty polluted puddle of shame, I am so happy to see the peaceful Darmanitan-Zen rise above all of its similarities, and bring the Burn as it melts away the competition.

Packing a secondary Psychic typing, I am so glad to see it face off versus Eternatus and scoff at weak Strength Saps the likes of other Defensive Pokemon like Snorlax cannot help but hate. As SpA is its speciality, a Strength Sap just means nothing and Darmanitan-Z can actually remove the foes’ Atk with a permanent epic Burn, that doesn’t wear off after a switch. Imposter cannot Burn Darmanitan-Z, but Toxapex can not offer the same immunity to its Scald to that status. Womp Womp!

I am so happy to see it unanimously voted for the epic drop just like!

Now, I feel justified in returning to the metagame; seeing as how I have Championed the ultimate underdog out of obscurity and watched it rise in momentous triumph over all of its closest competition.

I am excited with the vote and agree with it all!
I will be so happy when both Darmanitan-Zen and it’s Galarian form can face off in a tournament battle for Zen supremacy. When that day comes, the world will be a better place.

—————

Anyways; I agree will all decisions besides the drop for Rhydon. It is useful for tanking Normal Attacks without being passive like the Ghosts that have a history of being passive, as they attempt to switch into PH Facade Snorlax, and such, with the sole exception being Body Press Doublade. So happy to see that rise!

Go Gen 8 Council! You are making steps in the right direction, removal and Psychic Surge means great things!

If I had to rate council:

God-Tier:
MAMP

You might be at the level of The Immortal

You are unsurpassed, equaled at best.

S+
a loser

* You are this generation’s E4 Flint
It is official!
You are now to be known as “a winner”

S
Funbot28

You are the most active in posting as of late and announcing... announcements!

You are now to be known as “Funbot9001”
Because your power levels are over 9000

Edit:

Former Council:

willdbeast you are Officially So overpowered that you had to leave the council, because you cannot be contained. You are like Primal Groudon and Rayquaza-Mega combined, you don’t have a power level that can be measured. You are Thanos with 2 Infinity Gauntlets, and anklets, and bracelets, and Heavy-Duty Boots!

You didn’t resign, you were just too good! You have your own calling and it is greater than anything else!

EDIT... The Sequel:
Now, I don’t know about you but I feel absolutely thrilled about all of my adoring fans’ responses to this post.

I know this will be instilled in the brains of my readers for the rest of this thread’s activity.

Thank you for the cheers, and screenshots/pastes to share with the uninformed. You fans are why I feel so happy to share my excitement!

Glad you all enjoyed and feel delightfully entertained, with just a smidge of cringe!

:blobthumbsup: + :ss/darmanitan-galar-zen: :bw/darmanitan-zen:

P.S.
 
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time for my worst post on this site

know who else should be in god-tier? that's right, me, because i just went 5-0 in this ompl. thats right 5-0. this clearly must serve as the validation of skill i so desperately need. here are some funny memes i made to commemorate the occasion:






good update but drop zac-c to a+ btw. it's a good pokemon for sure but i feel like every team just has multiple soft checks and due to the diversity of counterplay there's no way zac can rly get past all of these without running an imposter weak team.

also etern feels a bit crunchy as well, idk if its just me but it just feels like this mon has a harder time consistently progressing in games than it used to. spikes and offensive both have pretty prevalent counters that they struggle to break past, and mons like lax are extremely annoying for him.
 
I know the VR was just updated, but I'd still like to make some nominations as I've been playing increasingly frequently lately. This is my first post making nominations this gen and as such I'm aware some of my nominations are going to be unpopular. I'm making these nominations solely based on my experience with the meta.

Drops
A -> B+
Wobbuffet is mediocre as hell right now, and Imposter is already losing popularity by the day. Most of its' recent use revolved around revenge killing setup sweepers with a Scarf. With Shell Smash banned, there's even less reason to use this thing. I find opponents just end up losing momentum really easily when trying to use Wobbuffet due to the abundance of pivoting moves, and it doesn't have great longevity in a lot of games.

D -> UR
I don't exactly see Wobbuffet in a good spot right now, and Pikachu's viability is questionable at best. Pikachu requires overwhelming support for a role which a lot of people already agree isn't exactly in a good place right now. While it can be threatening in the right scenario, the amount of preparation and support make it completely impractical in a realistic scenario. Pikachu speed ties everything and can die in one hit to just about anything, and the only way to get around that is with Nuzzle/Glare support.

Not to mention that Pikachu has virtually zero use anywhere. I do not believe it has a place on the VR when it's a non-presence on ladder and, as far as I can tell, is completely absent in tours as well. It's a bad mon that's not used and requires team support to not instantly die. I wouldn't even call it "high risk, high reward" when Imposter in general isn't great right now.

D -> UR
What does Lapras do that other Pokemon can't do better? As a Specially Defensive wall, other mons like Primarina do its job better due to having better type matchups. Based on what I've seen in this thread, it apparently has a niche use with it's Gigantamax...? I don't think it's worth using for that reason alone. It's cool tech, but most Gigantamaxes are pretty impractical in a realistic scenario. Lapras is a really strange mon who I don't think fills any actual niche. Maybe it has some use on Hail teams...? But that's going into gimmick territory. Lapras isn't a viable mon in my opinion and it doesn't really have anything particularly interesting about it beyond the Gigantamax.

B- -> C
Every time I've tried Dragapult I've ended up disappointed by its performance. It is not threatening in a meta with lots of Fur Coat/Ice Scales Pokemon, and lacks the damage output necessary to be threatening to most Pokemon. Without setup, and probably even if it did have setup, it's completely and utterly countered by Pokemon like both formes of Zamazenta (but ESPECIALLY Crowned), Melmetal, Solgaleo and Necrozma-DM, and bulky Water-types like Seismitoad and Primarina. I've even walled it with Eternatus before despite the Dragon-type weakness. It's a Pokemon whose strictly offensive yet lacks the raw power to threaten most mons.

C -> D
Toxapex is in that group of Pokemon that accomplish nothing beyond being really fuckin' passive. Like Type: Null or Mandibuzz. This fact alone warrants a drop. It's not helped by having a few common weaknesses. I really don't have anything else to say about it.

Rises
D -> C
Jellicent is a cool mon. It's special defense is solid and it's not quite as passive as it looks with decent power Scalds and it can spread burns easily. I've been trying out a stall team recently, and Jellicent has been pulling its weight surprisingly well. It's a pretty good spinblocker as well. Still, it's somewhat annoyed by Spectral Thief. I've used a defensive PH set which punishes Spectral Thief with Baneful Bunker.

(Base/Hero) A -> A+
Zamazenta is a very effective PH sweeper and its viability has remained strong throughout the past few weeks. It can be an extreme pain in the ass for most teams and can support the team in various ways, either by knocking off items, burning opponents, or by getting consistent chip damage. It's survivability is solid and is frequently one of the last mons to go down in my teams. It always puts in a ton of work even against teams that have a solid Zamazenta check.

B+ -> A-
Golisopod is a mon that's bulky but not passive, and has a convenient typing. It's not offensive by any measure, but can chip targets with STAB U-turn and can burn with Scald. Its' resists, solid physical defense, and unique typing make it worth pointing out for a nomination. I think it's better than people give it credit for.

Like I said, my nominations are probably going to be controversial. Feel free to give me your thoughts on my nominations.
 
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Hi guys. I am bored and I want to contribute to the metagame so here I am writting. I am going to respond to our mate StormEagle's nominations and then add some more changes because I have seen the cool guys do that.

Wobbuffet is mediocre as hell right now, and Imposter is already losing popularity by the day. Most of its' recent use revolved around revenge killing setup sweepers with a Scarf. With Shell Smash banned, there's even less reason to use this thing. I find opponents just end up losing momentum really easily when trying to use Wobbuffet due to the abundance of pivoting moves, and it doesn't have great longevity in a lot of games.
Yeah I agree with this one. Right now imposter is not very good. Its true that shed shell or even lefties could give some bad times to defensive teams, but its not that difficult to play around that. Also point that poison heal is very common, which is hard for the imposters to play around. It is true that you can use toxic orb imposter but that is just a small niche and it will be a bad item for anything else -and its also cringe-. As a conclusion, imposter right now has to play a constant 50/50 with what items he is holding to be useful on its niche, and it somehow ends losing that 50/50 most of the time.

I don't exactly see Wobbuffet in a good spot right now, and Pikachu's viability is questionable at best. Pikachu requires overwhelming support for a role which a lot of people already agree isn't exactly in a good place right now. While it can be threatening in the right scenario, the amount of preparation and support make it completely impractical in a realistic scenario. Pikachu speed ties everything and can die in one hit to just about anything, and the only way to get around that is with Nuzzle/Glare support.

Not to mention that Pikachu has virtually zero use anywhere. I do not believe it has a place on the VR when it's a non-presence on ladder and, as far as I can tell, is completely absent in tours as well. It's a bad mon that's not used and requires team support to not instantly die. I wouldn't even call it "high risk, high reward" when Imposter in general isn't great right now.
I do not agree here. It is true that imposter pika is no more than a niche, and that it most of the time will be risking a 50/50 if he doesnt have paralysis support, but it's breaker power is undeniable, even enough to brust through non-inmunity imposterproofs. Yes, it is not that good and need support, but its worth to be mentioned in a D rank.

What does Lapras do that other Pokemon can't do better? As a Specially Defensive wall, other mons like Primarina do its job better due to having better type matchups. Based on what I've seen in this thread, it apparently has a niche use with it's Gigantamax...? I don't think it's worth using for that reason alone. It's cool tech, but most Gigantamaxes are pretty impractical in a realistic scenario. Lapras is a really strange mon who I don't think fills any actual niche. Maybe it has some use on Hail teams...? But that's going into gimmick territory. Lapras isn't a viable mon in my opinion and it doesn't really have anything particularly interesting about it beyond the Gigantamax.
I am not sure here. I have heard arguments supporting that lapras had a niche as the best kyuw counter and also not being passive against eternatus. I dont really know if this niche justifies using it. I guess it could fit on a team with a big kyuw weakness and some eternatus problems. Idk, I am blank here.

Every time I've tried Dragapult I've ended up disappointed by its performance. It is not threatening in a meta with lots of Fur Coat/Ice Scales Pokemon, and lacks the damage output necessary to be threatening to most Pokemon. Without setup, and probably even if it did have setup, it's completely and utterly countered by Pokemon like both formes of Zamazenta (but ESPECIALLY Crowned), Melmetal, Solgaleo and Necrozma-DM, and bulky Water-types like Seismitoad and Primarina. I've even walled it with Eternatus before despite the Dragon-type weakness. It's a Pokemon whose strictly offensive yet lacks the raw power to threaten most mons.
I agree here. Dragapult is a pokemon that in theory has to be be very good but on the field it lacks brute force to break even pokemons that it should be killing. I has the advantage of being very fast (yet not faster that daddy zacian-c) and that does give him a niche. While I would agree that it would be better in a C rank, I would understand that it stays in B- too.

Toxapex is in that group of Pokemon that accomplish nothing beyond being really fuckin' passive. Like Type: Null or Mandibuzz. This fact alone warrants a drop. It's not helped by having a few common weaknesses. I really don't have anything else to say about it.
Agree. It is way too passive while the defensive niche it fills is small and not hard to overcome with coverage. I dont think that this pokemon should be above primarina (or above jelli). There are just much better defensive water mons that fill physical and special walls roles, with better double typings.

Jellicent is a cool mon. It's special defense is solid and it's not quite as passive as it looks with decent power Scalds and it can spread burns easily. I've been trying out a stall team recently, and Jellicent has been pulling its weight surprisingly well. It's a pretty good spinblocker as well. Still, it's somewhat annoyed by Spectral Thief. I've used a defensive PH set which punishes Spectral Thief with Baneful Bunker.
I am not sure. I think jelly has some nice (and unexplored sets) like ice scales or pheal. I also understand that a mon shouldnt be ranked for what could be and do, without testing, and has to be tested on field to really see if it is useful and worth of using (stares roughly at dragapult). If I had to vote I would agree with it raising to C.

Zamazenta is a very effective PH sweeper and its viability has remained strong throughout the past few weeks. It can be an extreme pain in the ass for most teams and can support the team in various ways, either by knocking off items, burning opponents, or by getting consistent chip damage. It's survivability is solid and is frequently one of the last mons to go down in my teams. It always puts in a ton of work even against teams that have a solid Zamazenta check.
I agree. This is a pokemon with a good typing for the meta right now, and good offensive and defensive stats, paired with a good speed tier. Since you ony mentioned poison heal one, which is a very good set, I think its worth of mentioning the intrepid sword band set, which has a very good breaker power and is able to melt through foes (and counters) with the right coverage.

Golisopod is a mon that's bulky but not passive, and has a convenient typing. It's not offensive by any measure, but can chip targets with STAB U-turn and can burn with Scald. Its' resists, solid physical defense, and unique typing make it worth pointing out for a nomination. I think it's better than people give it credit for.
I disagree here. I indeed think that goli is very good and better than people think, but I feel that this mon is very good in the rank it is, paired with seismitoad or snorlax. Raising to A- would mean being at the tier of mewtwo or kyuw, and I dont really think that it fits there. In my opinion goli is well where it is.

Now my own stuff:

Drops:
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A- to B+: Early gen this pokemon used to be very good and main meta but with the time this has been changing and he has been taking steps down the VR since then. His pure steel type doesnt really help him that much. Yeah its true that his phys bulk is very high, but it gets neutral STAB (or super) damage from a lot of the offensive mons of the meta (and some of the ones that are walled by him use to bring deadly coverage like v-create zacian-c).In addition, his sp.def is a bad joke, I dont think it needs much explanation. Last but not least, even having a good atack stat, I am not sure how but this mon ends being a passive wall most of the time-which is also caused by its low speed-.
As a conclusion this is a pokemon that having the option to use zamazenta-c (with a better mixed bulk and much better offensive presence) you just wont use melmetal. He doesnt really deserve that A- rank.

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B to B- (or even less): The uses of this pokemon are no more than a niche, niches that are already filled by better mons. The set that I have seen most times, primal sea zacian, is just not that good, and defensively outdated (and arguably, offensively) by primal sea zamazenta-c. The only niche it has over zama is that it is able to hit first darmanitan-g due to better speed.

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B- to C: I dont really understand why aegislash is ranked one step ahead of doublade. Aegislash's bulk, while good on paper, isn't enough when you are playing with it, while his pre evo can fill very nicely a physical defensive spot. Also worth of metioning how passive aegis is, while doublade can actually do some damage. I think that aegis and doublade should be at the same rank (or even aegis one less) and since I dont think either that doublade is B- material aegis steping down one rank makes sense for me.

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C to D: This one is gonna be controversial. As I have said several times in this post ttar is, in my opinion, inside the ground of good on paper bad on field. It has a good atack stat that lets him not being passive, anddecent defensive stats, but this is not enough to get over his biggest weakness, his typing. His typing gives him small defensive niches, like lunala check or mewtwo, while it also open warship sized holes defensively, mainly because the fighning weakness, being fighning very spammed and supported by a water weakness (scald or rend are very spammed too).
Its true that he resists fire, but the two main fire users, resh and darm-g, can kill him too. Resh's dragon stab does neutral (and high if the ttar is not scales) while darmag more than often brings close combat or earthquake. A not worth of using mon that, in my opinion is paired in viability with bisharp, in D rank.

Raises:
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C to B-: Incineroar has a good defensive typing that lets him be defensive while not being passive, since he is a pretty nice user of lava plume and knock off, both very good support moves. This dual stab makes him good when fighning steel and spreading status (and removing items). I would point that his most interesting (and unexplored) sets are ice scales, pheal and prankster. I have tested a lot this pokemon and the results have been very positive. I would even say that, as a fire type wall, it is paired with darmanitan-u-z, only getting a bit lower ranked than it doe to the fighning weakness (but it also resists ghost while darmuz doesnt).He can check solid kuyw and mewtwo, among others. I think this mon deserves something better than C, and I think B- is good for him. I even think that he could fit in B.

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UR to D: I dont know why this pokemon got dropped. The defensive pokemon in D rank are mainly niche fillers and rune does fit good niches, and does it well. It has a good phy bulk while also having a not bad sp bulk. Its typing lets him inmunity check pokemon like zekrom, zeroara or zama and I feel that a pokemon that can solid check so many good mons shouldn't be UR. I would highlight the fur coat set, that lets him get the maximum advantage to his phy bulk. This mon deserves to be ranked.

Sorry for any grammar mistakes. luv u gamers.

Challenge: one shot for every time I wrote niche. Lets see if u can walk after reading this.
 
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I do not agree here. It is true that imposter pika is no more than a niche, and that it most of the time will be risking a 50/50 if he doesnt have paralysis support, but it's breaker power is undeniable, even enough to brust through non-inmunity imposterproofs. Yes, it is not that good and need support, but its worth to be mentioned in a D rank.
I've tried Pikachu on a team out of curiosity recently. I do try out a lot of mons and test new teams frequently. I was explicitly interested in building a team with Pikachu, and I built it with paralysis support. I know Chessking mentioned Tailwind support but I don't think that lasts long enough to be considered viable, and is easy to play around. I didn't end up actually using Pikachu for too long because the teams I made just weren't very successful. The times I did have success, I usually didn't credit it because of Pikachu. In the teams I used, Pikachu rarely had any actual use because it was always reserved for late game due to the support, and sometimes even when it was used it didn't see much success. While Pikachu won against matchups that Wobbuffet couldn't, I also lost against a lot more matchups. For example is Dynamax. Pikachu is the number one example of a mon that got fucked by Dynamax not being banned. Pikachu gets dogpiled by virtually any Dynamaxed mon and even if it Dynamaxes itself, it's base HP is low enough that it wouldn't even make a difference against most attacks. Meanwhile, even with Light Ball, unless you have a super effective attack, you're only gonna 2HKO most opponents at best if they're Dynamaxed.

Another problem is while Pikachu completely nukes any mon that's paralyzed, it's difficult to get paralysis off on most offensive mons. Intrepid Sword breakers are common, and you aren't getting off Nuzzle on those mons unless you already wall them, and the Pikachu matchup remains 50/50 for them. One of the main benefits of Imposter is to punish Intrepid Sword mons. If you're using Wobbuffet, you'll pretty easily force out a Zacian-C. I would not say the same for Pikachu. A lot of Choiced breakers like KyuW and GDZ can make it a huge pain in the ass to get the support needed for Pikachu to function.

One of the things that made Pikachu explicitly viable (but still mediocre) in Gen 7 was having better defensive mons and also having a lot more physical -ates which made Body Slam practical, instead of simply relying off Nuzzle and Glare. I've used Pikachu in both Gens and I had a lot more success in Gen 7 with Pikachu. In Gen 8, with defensive options being more limited and the only "good" physical -ate being KyuB, getting off paralysis is a lot more difficult. Not just more difficult in the sense of having a harder time crippling offensive mons, but also more difficult to improof and build around as well (While PH is still great, Magic Bounce is nowhere near as prevalent and Ground/Electric-types are limited).

The main reason I nommed Pikachu for UR is because I don't think the niche is viable. You're building an entire team around one specific Pokemon that, while it does have its niche in being extremely powerful, ends up falling flat due to a variety of factors like Dynamax. I very rarely found it rewarding enough to warrant building a team around it. Pikachu is a mon that's better in theory than in practice, and it's not difficult for the average team to beat.
I am not sure here. I have heard arguments supporting that lapras had a niche as the best kyuw counter and also not being passive against eternatus. I dont really know if this niche justifies using it. I guess it could fit on a team with a big kyuw weakness and some eternatus problems. Idk, I am blank here.
I don't think it's worth using for that reason alone. Checking KyuW isn't hard (Boomburst can't even 3HKO Ice Scales Snorlax without +SpA nature). Pressuring Eternatus is difficult but I would say Lapras is far from my first choice of mon, and SF Etern is still walled by Snorlax. I've heard Volt Absorb Lapras get mentioned in the OM Discord but the set is so awkward to the point of where I hardly take it seriously. Even with the Electric-type immunity Lapras doesn't like going up against PH Zek (Dragon Darts hurts, especially if it's boosted) or I-Sword Zera. Lapras itself is a mon with fairly average stats except for a slightly higher than average base HP. It's not good at any one specific thing that another mon can't do better.

I won't say Lapras doesn't work for the reasons people gave me on the OM Discord, but I'd hardly call it viable at just about every other scenario that doesn't involve KyuW or Etern. It's a weird mon who manages to have a very narrow niche that can be filled in part by other more viable Pokemon.
I am not sure. I think jelly has some nice (and unexplored sets) like ice scales or pheal. I also understand that a mon shouldnt be ranked for what could be and do, without testing, and has to be tested on field to really see if it is useful and worth of using (stares roughly at dragapult). If I had to vote I would agree with it raising to C.
I've been using Jellicent quite often recently. It's definitely better than people give it credit for, and it doesn't require that much support to thrive on its own unlike other mons that currently share its rank.

Also I agree with all of your noms except for one of them.
UR to D: I dont know why this pokemon got dropped. The defensive pokemon in D rank are mainly niche fillers and rune does fit good niches, and does it well. It has a good phy bulk while also having a not bad sp bulk. Its typing lets him inmunity check pokemon like zekrom, zeroara or zama and I feel that a pokemon that can solid check so many good mons shouldn't be UR. I would highlight the fur coat set, that lets him get the maximum advantage to his phy bulk. This mon deserves to be ranked.
One big problem with Runerigus is that it doesn't really do much that Hippowdon and Steelix don't already do besides spinblock. It's Ghost typing doesn't really help or hurt it beyond spinblocking. I think it was unranked mainly because it doesn't do anything that other ranked mons don't already do.
 
I think the best use of Pikachu is Passing a Substitute to it from a slow pivot, such as Umbreon. This enables it to come in behind a shield, and with Light Ball, it will Dynamax behind it to launch stronger attacks and maximize the turns it has. This doesn’t require countless Nuzzles against as many Pokemon you need to be ready to handle, It will only require Substitute, and Baton Pass, and obviously some timing.

Pikachu I think almost relies on Dynamax, to hit hard so it can do as much damage behind the Substitute, even if it loses the Speed tie. If the foe doesn’t Dynamax with you (say you are facing a Legendary that cannot Dynamax such as Eteranatus), behind a Substitute, the foe is actually more likely to switch because they know you are safe, barring Spectral Thief or a Sound move like Clanging Scales.

From here, the threat of being safe behind a Substitute alone forces your foe to switch to an Improof, who has to now face your Dynamax. For example, against Eternatus, your STAB Dragon coverage will KO off of the 130 base Max-Dragon Damage from the base Dynamax Cannon.

Overall, Pikachu can be used, it just has to KO before Substitute is KOed, because once Substitute is gone, then you risk going 2nd.

Ultimately, Pikachu is best Impostering Pokemon unable to Dynamax;

Legendaries, or Pokemon that come in after the foe already used Dynamax on something else.

This severely limits Pikachu, and also, unlike Scarf Wobbufett, they could send in a revenge killer that has naturally better speed than Pikachu, such as Zeraora, who cannot be paralyzed in the first place due to being an Electric-type, and outspeeds most of what Pikachu would Imposter, allowing an offensive set to break the fragile Pikachu.

Further, unlike Scarf Imposter, Light Ball Imposter is useless after Trick, Knock Off, etc. as Wobbufett can still use its bulk, while Pikachu’s only selling point is gone.

I don’t disagree with it being Unranked. I think it is something people will have to show replays of it being used without compromising the rest of the team.

Now, this isn’t to say a Pokemon is bad if it relies on team support, after all, Shedinja is an example of relying on team support, but being totally worth it, and it worked so well it was banned because it over centralized the metagame.

Pikachu is like a theory we need to test. What is the absolute best team that functions well with it and without it? We need to have “Pikachu-oriented” teams, similar to “Shedinja Teams” because Shedinja required Magic Bounce, Defog, etc. to function.

Is Nuzzle actually enough? I think Pikachu is an example where we see its potential, we just haven’t come up with what the best formula is to use it properly.
 

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