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CAP 11 CAP 11 - Part 9 - Art Poll 3
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I voted Kukem's design because DougJustDoug's design is completely atrocious for a volt-absorbing speedy specially-mixed attacker. I mean, if we were making the pokemon more physically-inclined and slower or bulky, I'd say DJD's design would be good, but as it stands, I don't want it to win.
LOL at the mistype, made me laugh for some reason :P
Anyways, I have to stick with Kukem, but only be cause I feel that DJD's design is far more suited to be a physical attacker. I feel this way about all the entries that had over-sized fists. A special fighting type shouldn't have big hands. I understand that their sole purpose is to accent the fighting type, but it's also important to adhere to what the Pokemon will actually be doing when it attacks. And frankly I'm not impressed with the "needle-wand" design. Sorry Doug, but I much preffered your Jack the Ripper design. I would have voted for that in a heartbeat.
Just sayin
I'm sorry, I find most of these arguments pretty funny. Stats? Physical vs. Special attacker? Speed? This isn't a genetics project, and we aren't growing some new Pokemon in a tank. (Look how well that turned out)
I understand that some of these things influence decisions, but come on, we're not animating these or something. At the end of the day, even with all of the heart and soul put into this CAP (a fact I do appreciate) At the end of the day all we are making is a set of drawings, numbers, and words. That said, why not have some fun? It may not be practical, but the bottom line is, we can make a Pokemon anything we vote for. 500 lb Pokemon with 150 base speed? Sure why not.
Kukem, I'm sorry, but your design just never jumped out at me in any way. Yes, it looks like a Pokemon, but in a way that's a detriment. It looks like half a Lucario and half that new Dark evolution from Black and White. It looks like a Togekiss partner, in some bizarre way, but at the end of everything, nothing stands out as original. It's not bad to draw from life, it's just not very memorable.
I was actually pretty partial to Buffalo_Wings's design, and I found it sad that it didn't make the next round, but that said, the other two were my next choices.
aragornbird, I followed the concept from the beginning, and I think it's a wonderful design that I would like to see used... in the future. I love the concept, the aztec panther is so bad "A." However, as a quadruped, I don't see it conveying Fighting as a primary type, in fact that hurts Kukem too. Too much dark draws obvious attention to being a Dark type (not that color does much with type, I don't get how Lucario is Steel) and not enough emphasis on Fighting. Again, it's a beautiful work, just not to my tastes with this project.
Doug seems to capture most of our chosen elements perfectly in one convenient package. You may argue stats, but I repeat my argument of "it can because we say it can." It's not just one element either, several choices are wonderfully subtle, from the color palate, to the body proportions. It shows a care and obvious dedication. Not that other applicants lacked this, but it shows more, to me anyway.
The final nail (or pin) in my vote was simply one of options. Not that it needs them with Dark typing to rely on, but Doug's design just offers so many options for logical flavor moves. Seriously, who wants Twin-Needle, Pin Missile, and Needle Arm to be given to so few Pokemon, particularly ones that aren't OU applicable?
Congrads to all three of you. Right now it looks like we might go into a Poll 4. That should be interesting.
I understand that some of these things influence decisions, but come on, we're not animating these or something. At the end of the day, even with all of the heart and soul put into this CAP (a fact I do appreciate) At the end of the day all we are making is a set of drawings, numbers, and words. That said, why not have some fun? It may not be practical, but the bottom line is, we can make a Pokemon anything we vote for. 500 lb Pokemon with 150 base speed? Sure why not.
Kukem, I'm sorry, but your design just never jumped out at me in any way. Yes, it looks like a Pokemon, but in a way that's a detriment. It looks like half a Lucario and half that new Dark evolution from Black and White. It looks like a Togekiss partner, in some bizarre way, but at the end of everything, nothing stands out as original. It's not bad to draw from life, it's just not very memorable.
I was actually pretty partial to Buffalo_Wings's design, and I found it sad that it didn't make the next round, but that said, the other two were my next choices.
aragornbird, I followed the concept from the beginning, and I think it's a wonderful design that I would like to see used... in the future. I love the concept, the aztec panther is so bad "A." However, as a quadruped, I don't see it conveying Fighting as a primary type, in fact that hurts Kukem too. Too much dark draws obvious attention to being a Dark type (not that color does much with type, I don't get how Lucario is Steel) and not enough emphasis on Fighting. Again, it's a beautiful work, just not to my tastes with this project.
Doug seems to capture most of our chosen elements perfectly in one convenient package. You may argue stats, but I repeat my argument of "it can because we say it can." It's not just one element either, several choices are wonderfully subtle, from the color palate, to the body proportions. It shows a care and obvious dedication. Not that other applicants lacked this, but it shows more, to me anyway.
The final nail (or pin) in my vote was simply one of options. Not that it needs them with Dark typing to rely on, but Doug's design just offers so many options for logical flavor moves. Seriously, who wants Twin-Needle, Pin Missile, and Needle Arm to be given to so few Pokemon, particularly ones that aren't OU applicable?
Congrads to all three of you. Right now it looks like we might go into a Poll 4. That should be interesting.
Voted kukem ultimately because it looked really cool, seemed to be the most pokemon-like, and fit pretty much every criteria stat-wise and otherwise.
A voodoo doll embodies the dark type perfectly, no?
I went with DougJustDoug, simply because it is the one that looks the coolest. All the designs are great, but the voodoo doll, complete with stuffing and "lightning rods", just gives the best impression.
I don't care that it looks like it has <20 speed.
I went with DougJustDoug, simply because it is the one that looks the coolest. All the designs are great, but the voodoo doll, complete with stuffing and "lightning rods", just gives the best impression.
I don't care that it looks like it has <20 speed.
You might argue the speed-stat being a bit awkward, but other than that doug really hit the nail with this one. The other stats, typing, ability, everything. And alla that is a mere second to the design itself. Kukem too got a really sweet design, but it doesn't live up to every aspect like doug's does. I don't like aragornbird's as much, but hey gotta give the guy props for his technical skill.
I'm sticking with DougJustDoug all the way through, it's a great out of the box Pokemon and I would love to see it in action.
DougJustDoug's art is just amazing. Also I have been a contributor to CAP long enough to know that Doug has entered every single art contest... but hasn't won any of them. It is about time he did :D
In that case, why not just open up art submission as the first part of a CAP. If we're just voting on "the best art", why worry about criteria? This is not an art contest. This is concept design. You guys are doing video game design right now, so sit down and learn a thing or two. In every CAP I've seen some people who were bad artists, who had chickenscratch for artwork and probably don't have photoshop or know how to use it. This did not mean they had bad concepts, but does anyone vote for them? Remember, the art concept is gonna be turned into the sprite and the sprite has to look good. DougJustDoug is an extremely talented artist and he drew the best picture in this poll, easily. But that doesn't earn him ANY points from me. I can see the Dark type, but not the fighting. I don't see the speed. I don't see a partner to Togekiss.
I voted for DougJustDoug because, unlike the rest of the entries, the lightningrod and volt absorb abilities actually fit him. I know most people are saying, "he doesn't fit the stats" but a repose of him holding his needle fixes the SAtk, but the speed, where does the speed come from, well I have an answer: When the voodo doll is struck by lightning, it's motor abilities are enhanced, allowing it to move faster. lol
If the explanation didn't sway you, (probably didn't) well, it just has to be overlooked. The typing. Vodoom fits the dark by being based off a voodo doll, and for the fighting, if you look closely, most fighting types are based off of humans, so is vodoom. So in all, I really liked all of the entries, and they captured the concept very well, but I think Vodoom captured it the best.
If the explanation didn't sway you, (probably didn't) well, it just has to be overlooked. The typing. Vodoom fits the dark by being based off a voodo doll, and for the fighting, if you look closely, most fighting types are based off of humans, so is vodoom. So in all, I really liked all of the entries, and they captured the concept very well, but I think Vodoom captured it the best.
I really like DJD's design, it is something unique and actually looks like a pokemon IMHO.
Kukem's design seems too generic, another Lucario/Weavile/Zoroark...
Aragonbird's design is also pretty great overall, and as much as I'd love to see a panther pokemon, I just think voodoo doll is more unique :O
Kukem's design seems too generic, another Lucario/Weavile/Zoroark...
Aragonbird's design is also pretty great overall, and as much as I'd love to see a panther pokemon, I just think voodoo doll is more unique :O
I voted for Kukem. I really do like DJD and AB's designs, but I feel Kukem's best represents the current stat-spread and abilities. Also, Kukem's has a sort of sleekness and pose that I really, really like. I can also see the Dark-Fighting aspect to it.
None of these three designs really do it for me, but out of them I'd have to say that aragornbird's is the most appealing.
It fits the stat spread well in my opinion (a panther is fast enough and still resilient), and the mayan inspiration helps with the special attack bias (I just wish he had gone with another crown, instead of this godawful pointy one)
As for the others, Kuem's is over designed into oblivion, with way too much sleek spiky armor and really very few nods to its fighting type (beside the rather tacked on belt).
Dougjustdoug's has never appealed to me for reasons previously stated: it seems to embody the complete opposite stats, it appears much more ghost-type than dark. I also feel that the whole design looks rather unrefined. I'm not a fan of the random placement for pins (I would have hoped for an incorporation into the actual anatomy of the pokemon, not just real-world objects tacked (forgive the pun) into the pokemon). If you look at pokemon designs, real-world objects are seldom used. Farfetch'd has his leak, and the cubone line has their bones. But in both cases, that is only one object. DJD's CAP11 has four random pins, and his large needle. I just feel it's too much. Also, the amorphous structure of the arm looks lazily done to me.
It fits the stat spread well in my opinion (a panther is fast enough and still resilient), and the mayan inspiration helps with the special attack bias (I just wish he had gone with another crown, instead of this godawful pointy one)
As for the others, Kuem's is over designed into oblivion, with way too much sleek spiky armor and really very few nods to its fighting type (beside the rather tacked on belt).
Dougjustdoug's has never appealed to me for reasons previously stated: it seems to embody the complete opposite stats, it appears much more ghost-type than dark. I also feel that the whole design looks rather unrefined. I'm not a fan of the random placement for pins (I would have hoped for an incorporation into the actual anatomy of the pokemon, not just real-world objects tacked (forgive the pun) into the pokemon). If you look at pokemon designs, real-world objects are seldom used. Farfetch'd has his leak, and the cubone line has their bones. But in both cases, that is only one object. DJD's CAP11 has four random pins, and his large needle. I just feel it's too much. Also, the amorphous structure of the arm looks lazily done to me.
DougJustDoug earned my vote. Voodoom seemed the most unique to me, as I thought that Kukem's looked more like an anthromorphic Luxray. I did think heavily before passing over Aragornbird in my desicion, as I simply liked the flavor of Doug's more. Voodoo is something Pokemon has never quite touched on, and it just seemed rather fitting for what we envisioned, even if it gives off a 'slow' vibe.
Personally, I voted DJD. Kukem looks like Lucario's evil twin, and I never did like Humanshapes. The Panther looks Dark, but I believe that it looks more Dark/Ground than it looks Dark/Fighting. DJD looks dark, looks fighting, and looks generally good attack wise. As said earlier, it's probably a very light thing, letting it move fast, it's probably fluffy so it can take a few hits, and it's attack stats can be explained by having heavy weights within it's muscles or something/
Why is everyone making a big deal about the art design's not being consistent with the stats when pokemon is infamous for such inconsistencies.
-Purugly and Miltank have base 112 and base 100 speed, faster than their appearances suggests. (You'd think something Lucario would be faster)
-Tyranitar actually outspeeds Pichu by one speed point. Why? I would assume that Pichu is speedier than Tyranitar.
For those complaining about the abilities
-Azumarill has huge power, yet it doesn't really make sense that Azumarill is comparable to Medicham who also has Huge power from meditating.
*Note: I don't have any problems with the above)
Seriously, if we object to every design quirk we are basically limiting the creative ability of the artists. That's what makes pokemon (and video games in general) fun, it doesn't have to make sense really.
-Purugly and Miltank have base 112 and base 100 speed, faster than their appearances suggests. (You'd think something Lucario would be faster)
-Tyranitar actually outspeeds Pichu by one speed point. Why? I would assume that Pichu is speedier than Tyranitar.
For those complaining about the abilities
-Azumarill has huge power, yet it doesn't really make sense that Azumarill is comparable to Medicham who also has Huge power from meditating.
*Note: I don't have any problems with the above)
Seriously, if we object to every design quirk we are basically limiting the creative ability of the artists. That's what makes pokemon (and video games in general) fun, it doesn't have to make sense really.
crap, I was away for so long on vacation that I missed the concept art submission :(
But I really like dougjustdoug's entry, and will be happy that he could pull it off to win another one.
His entry just looks amazing, not too busy, and the abilty is a little explainable since a normal voodoodol is filled with sand.
But I really like dougjustdoug's entry, and will be happy that he could pull it off to win another one.
His entry just looks amazing, not too busy, and the abilty is a little explainable since a normal voodoodol is filled with sand.
I voted for Kukem. It captures the typing the best IMO. While Doug's is a good design as another pokemon, I honestly can't see it as anything other than pure normal type. While Kukem's screams Dark Fighting to me the most.
Also, about the done before thing. This is Pokemon. We Pikachu, Pachirisu, Plusle, and Minum. Everything has been "done before".
Also, about the done before thing. This is Pokemon. We Pikachu, Pachirisu, Plusle, and Minum. Everything has been "done before".
That's Gamefreak, not CAP. We don't have to accept certain logical inconsistencies if we don't want to.
Suspension of disbelief only works to a certain degree. I'd be on the floor rolling if we had a Wobbuffet design and gave it base 80+ speed.
@ the polls: I keep checking to see if the margin between Kukem and Doug's design is any closer, but it always seems to be 30... :/
You're talking about CAP, then, WTF happens with Krillowatt, it neither looks bulky, nor speedy. And Cyclohm? How can a CLOUD have good defense when a cloud isn't even solid?
I didn't vote for Krillowat's design, and if I had been around for Cap 8 I would have voted for Zantimonius. Though shrimps are shelled, and they are aquatic so I don't think its fair to say it looks slow.
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