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Chandelure

You know,Chandelure may not be able to set up too reliably,but when it does,it's so satisfying :)

Look at this battle:

Battle between Kefka Palazzo and rn299 started!

Tier: Standard OU
Variation: +15, -16
Rule: Rated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Freeze Clause
Rule: Species Clause
Rule: Wifi Battle

rn299 sent out Chansey!
Kefka Palazzo sent out Hydreigon! (Sazandora)

Start of turn 1
Hydreigon used U-turn!
The foe's Chansey lost 9% of its health!
Kefka Palazzo called Hydreigon back!
Kefka Palazzo sent out Ferrothorn! (Nattorei)

The foe's Chansey used Seismic Toss!
Ferrothorn lost 100 HP! (28% of its health)
Ferrothorn's Iron Barbs hurts the foe's Chansey

Ferrothorn restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 2
rn299 called Chansey back!
rn299 sent out Porygon2!

The foe's Porygon2 traced Ferrothorn's Iron Barbs!
Ferrothorn used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around rn299's team!

Ferrothorn restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 3
Kefka Palazzo called Ferrothorn back!
Kefka Palazzo sent out Hydreigon! (Sazandora)

The foe's Porygon2 used Ice Beam!
It's super effective!
Hydreigon lost 160 HP! (49% of its health)

Start of turn 4
Hydreigon used U-turn!
The foe's Porygon2 lost 8% of its health!
The foe's Porygon2's Iron Barbs hurts Hydreigon
Kefka Palazzo called Hydreigon back!
Kefka Palazzo sent out Ferrothorn! (Nattorei)

The foe's Porygon2 used Ice Beam!
Ferrothorn lost 70 HP! (19% of its health)

Ferrothorn restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 5
The foe's Porygon2 used Charge Beam!
It's not very effective...
Ferrothorn lost 18 HP! (5% of its health)

Ferrothorn used Leech Seed!
The foe's Porygon2 was seeded!

The foe's Porygon2's health is sapped by leech seed.
Ferrothorn restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 6
Kefka Palazzo called Ferrothorn back!
Kefka Palazzo sent out Jolteon!

The foe's Porygon2 used Charge Beam!
Jolteon's Volt Absorb made the attack useless!

The foe's Porygon2's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 7
rn299 called Porygon2 back!
rn299 sent out Garchomp!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Garchomp!

Jolteon used Volt Change!
It had no effect!

The foe's Garchomp restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 8
Kefka Palazzo called Jolteon back!
Kefka Palazzo sent out Hydreigon! (Sazandora)

The foe's Garchomp used Swords Dance!
The foe's Garchomp's Attack sharply rose!

Start of turn 9
rn299 called Garchomp back!
rn299 sent out Chansey!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Chansey!

Hydreigon used Draco Meteor!
The foe's Chansey lost 24% of its health!
Hydreigon's Sp. Att. sharply fell!

Start of turn 10
Kefka Palazzo called Hydreigon back!
Kefka Palazzo sent out Tentacruel!

The foe's Chansey used Softboiled!
The foe's Chansey regained health!

Start of turn 11
Tentacruel used Toxic Spikes!
Poison spikes were scattered all around the feet of rn299's team!

The foe's Chansey used Seismic Toss!
Tentacruel lost 100 HP! (27% of its health)

Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
matty is watching the battle.

Start of turn 12
Tentacruel used Toxic Spikes!
Poison spikes were scattered all around the feet of rn299's team!

The foe's Chansey used Seismic Toss!
Tentacruel lost 100 HP! (27% of its health)

Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 13
Kefka Palazzo called Tentacruel back!
Kefka Palazzo sent out Chandelure! (Shandera)

The foe's Chansey used Seismic Toss!
It had no effect!

Start of turn 14
rn299 called Chansey back!
rn299 sent out Forretress!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Forretress!

Chandelure used Substitute!
Chandelure made a substitute!

The foe's Forretress restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 15
Chandelure used Calm Mind!
Chandelure's Sp. Att. rose!
Chandelure's Sp. Def. rose!

The foe's Forretress used Earthquake!
It's super effective!
Chandelure's substitute faded!

The foe's Forretress restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 16
Chandelure used Substitute!
Chandelure made a substitute!

The foe's Forretress used Earthquake!
It's super effective!
Chandelure's substitute faded!

matty stopped watching the battle.
Kefka Palazzo: Shit

Start of turn 17
Chandelure used Fire Blast!
It's super effective!
The foe's Forretress lost 99% of its health!
The foe's Forretress held on thanks to Sturdy!
The foe's Forretress was burned!

The foe's Forretress used Earthquake!
It's super effective!
Chandelure lost 96 HP! (36% of its health)
Chandelure ate its Salac Berry!
The Salac Berry raised Chandelure's Speed!

The foe's Forretress restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Forretress is hurt by its burn!
The foe's Forretress fainted!
Kefka Palazzo: LOL
rn299 sent out Skarmory!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Skarmory!

Start of turn 18
Chandelure used Fire Blast!
It's super effective!
The foe's Skarmory lost 87% of its health!
The foe's Skarmory fainted!

rn299 sent out Porygon2!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Porygon2!
The foe's Porygon2 was poisoned!

The foe's Porygon2 traced Chandelure's Flash Fire!
Kefka Palazzo: Wait
Kefka Palazzo: I thought I had Flame Body D:

Start of turn 19
Chandelure used Calm Mind!
Chandelure's Sp. Att. rose!
Chandelure's Sp. Def. rose!

The foe's Porygon2 used Charge Beam!
The attack of the foe's Porygon2 missed!

The foe's Porygon2 is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 20
Chandelure used Calm Mind!
Chandelure's Sp. Att. rose!
Chandelure's Sp. Def. rose!

The foe's Porygon2 used Charge Beam!
Chandelure lost 19 HP! (7% of its health)
The foe's Porygon2's Sp. Att. rose!

The foe's Porygon2 is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 21
Chandelure used Calm Mind!
Chandelure's Sp. Att. rose!
Chandelure's Sp. Def. rose!

The foe's Porygon2 used Charge Beam!
Chandelure lost 17 HP! (6% of its health)
The foe's Porygon2's Sp. Att. rose!
Chandelure fainted!

The foe's Porygon2 is hurt by poison!
Kefka Palazzo sent out Jolteon!

Start of turn 22
rn299 called Porygon2 back!
rn299 sent out Chansey!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Chansey!
The foe's Chansey was poisoned!

Jolteon used Hidden Power!
The foe's Chansey lost 11% of its health!

The foe's Chansey is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 23
Kefka Palazzo called Jolteon back!
Kefka Palazzo sent out Ferrothorn! (Nattorei)

The foe's Chansey used Seismic Toss!
Ferrothorn lost 100 HP! (28% of its health)
Ferrothorn's Iron Barbs hurts the foe's Chansey

The foe's Chansey is hurt by poison!
Ferrothorn restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 24
rn299 called Chansey back!
rn299 sent out Garchomp!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Garchomp!
The foe's Garchomp was poisoned!

Ferrothorn used Leech Seed!
The foe's Garchomp was seeded!

The foe's Garchomp restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Garchomp's health is sapped by leech seed.
The foe's Garchomp is hurt by poison!
Ferrothorn restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 25
The foe's Garchomp used Swords Dance!
The foe's Garchomp's Attack sharply rose!

Ferrothorn used Gyro Ball!
The foe's Garchomp lost 17% of its health!

The foe's Garchomp restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Garchomp's health is sapped by leech seed.
The foe's Garchomp is hurt by poison!
Ferrothorn restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 26
Kefka Palazzo called Ferrothorn back!
Kefka Palazzo sent out Tentacruel!

The foe's Garchomp used Dragon Tail!
Tentacruel lost 208 HP! (57% of its health)
Tentacruel fainted!

The foe's Garchomp restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Garchomp is hurt by poison!
Kefka Palazzo sent out Hydreigon! (Sazandora)

Start of turn 27
rn299 called Garchomp back!
rn299 sent out Chansey!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Chansey!
The foe's Chansey was poisoned!

Hydreigon used U-turn!
The foe's Chansey lost 9% of its health!
Kefka Palazzo called Hydreigon back!
Kefka Palazzo sent out Jolteon!

The foe's Chansey is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 28
Jolteon used Hidden Power!
The foe's Chansey lost 7% of its health!
The foe's Chansey fainted!

rn299 sent out Garchomp!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Garchomp!

Start of turn 29
Jolteon used Hidden Power!
It's super effective!
The foe's Garchomp lost 26% of its health!
The foe's Garchomp fainted!

rn299 sent out Porygon2!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Porygon2!

The foe's Porygon2 traced Jolteon's Volt Absorb!

Start of turn 30
Jolteon used Hidden Power!
The foe's Porygon2 lost 5% of its health!
The foe's Porygon2 fainted!

rn299 sent out Vaporeon!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Vaporeon!
The foe's Vaporeon was poisoned!

Start of turn 31
Kefka Palazzo called Jolteon back!
Kefka Palazzo sent out Ferrothorn! (Nattorei)

The foe's Vaporeon used Boil Over!
It's not very effective...
Ferrothorn lost 46 HP! (13% of its health)

The foe's Vaporeon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Vaporeon is hurt by poison!
Ferrothorn restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 32
The foe's Vaporeon used Boil Over!
It's not very effective...
Ferrothorn lost 45 HP! (12% of its health)

Ferrothorn used Leech Seed!
The attack of Ferrothorn missed!

The foe's Vaporeon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Vaporeon is hurt by poison!
Ferrothorn restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 33
The foe's Vaporeon used Boil Over!
It's not very effective...
A critical hit!
Ferrothorn lost 96 HP! (27% of its health)

Ferrothorn used Leech Seed!
The attack of Ferrothorn missed!

The foe's Vaporeon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Vaporeon is hurt by poison!
Ferrothorn restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 34
Ferrothorn used Leech Seed!
The foe's Vaporeon was seeded!

The foe's Vaporeon used Roar!
Jolteon was dragged out!

The foe's Vaporeon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Vaporeon's health is sapped by leech seed.
The foe's Vaporeon is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 35
Jolteon used Volt Change!
It's super effective!
The foe's Vaporeon lost 37% of its health!
The foe's Vaporeon fainted!

Kefka Palazzo won the battle!
Kefka Palazzo: You're lower than lower than dirt! -> Air -> Dirt -> Lower than Dirt -> You

Despite Pory2 walling me because of my own stupidity,it was epic xD
 
What about this stall/set-up set?

Shandera@leftovers
Ability:shadow tag
Nature:Calm
Evs: 252 hp, 58 def, 200 sp def


-Acid Armour
-Calm mind
-Flamethrower
-Shadow ball

Trap the opponent in and start boosting your defenses and Sp. Attack, and the sweep away.
 
Arceus919 said:
What about this stall/set-up set?

Shandera@leftovers
Ability:shadow tag
Nature:Calm
Evs: 252 hp, 58 def, 200 sp def


-Acid Armour
-Calm mind
-Flamethrower
-Shadow ball

Trap the opponent in and start boosting your defenses and Sp. Attack, and the sweep away.
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Tried it.
Chandy is a bit too frail. Not to mention Nitro Charge would be better than Acid Armor for sweeping since a lucky crit wont end your sweep.
 
Hmm,could anyone help me out with something?
How much a difference is 358 Sp.Attack compared to 389?
It just seems that whether you have 358 or 389,you'll still be 2HKO'ing nearly everything that isn't a special wall/dragon.
For example.
With 358,you'll do 42% - 49% with Shadow Ball against a Garchomp with no investment in its bulk.
With 389,you'll do 45% - 53% with Shadow Ball against that same Garchomp.

You get 358 by using Modest with no investment in Sp.Attack,and you get 389 by using Timid with 252 Sp.Attack EVs...is it THAT big of a difference?
 
Kefka the god of magic said:
Hmm,could anyone help me out with something?
How much a difference is 358 Sp.Attack compared to 389?
It just seems that whether you have 358 or 389,you'll still be 2HKO'ing nearly everything that isn't a special wall/dragon.
For example.
With 358,you'll do 42% - 49% with Shadow Ball against a Garchomp with no investment in its bulk.
With 389,you'll do 45% - 53% with Shadow Ball against that same Garchomp.

You get 358 by using Modest with no investment in Sp.Attack,and you get 389 by using Timid with 252 Sp.Attack EVs...is it THAT big of a difference?
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Well, if not boosting then it doesn't make that much of a difference - it's less than 10% more SpAtk, however the EVing is far more dependent on the speed you need to hit - if forced to use Timid as Shandy pretty much is, you have to invest in SpAtk to compensate for not having modest.

Unless you wanna do a ton of calcs, just try and test it to see if you keep missing any KOs you need.
 
Eh,I just decided to go with this:

Chandelure - Modest @ Salac Berry
6 Def/252 Sp.Attack/252 Speed
-Flamethrower
-Shadow Ball
-Substitute
-Calm Mind

Absolutely rapes stall teams.
How is full stall even viable anymore?
 
Full stall might be viable if more people knew that running Deo-D was WELL worth the effort...
 
alphatron said:
Full stall might be viable if more people knew that running Deo-D was WELL worth the effort...
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That it is. How could people pass on the best spiker in the game with the most team support is weird. It's special attack is meh but it does happen to be useable if you need something for Taunt (Icebeam to smash Taunt Gliscor and Erufuun comes to mind especially) and is very defensive. Magic Coat also reflects opponent's spikes/status/taunts back at them and I had fun Magic Coating Breloom's Spores back at it. Cosmic Power means it pretty much never dies and it could also status with Thunderwave, set up screens...
 
Fluffy Otters said:
That it is. How could people pass on the best spiker in the game with the most team support is weird. It's special attack is meh but it does happen to be useable if you need something for Taunt (Icebeam to smash Taunt Gliscor and Erufuun comes to mind especially) and is very defensive. Magic Coat also reflects opponent's spikes/status/taunts back at them and I had fun Magic Coating Breloom's Spores back at it. Cosmic Power means it pretty much never dies and it could also status with Thunderwave, set up screens...
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What would it do against a SubChandy set?
 
Kefka the god of magic said:
What would it do against a SubChandy set?
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Well, Max/Max Calm Deo-D takes 53-63% from Modest 252 Shadow Ball, or 48-57% from Timid. Most probably wouldn't risk staying in given that many Shandys are scarfed, except perhaps to try and T-Wave, but Sub takes care of that nicely if you run enough speed to outpace Deo.

Your SubSalac set looks pretty interesting, actually, I may give it a shot.
 
Against a sub chandy set, Deo-D needs to have gotten in first (why would he switch in). Under a +1/+1 boost with cosmic power, he either pp stalls shandy through sub and recover (occasionally boosting when he gets the chance), or he just phases chandy out with his red card/recycle set.

59.9% - 71.1% is the amount modest shandera is doing to a nuetral natured 252/200 nuetral natured Deo-D with shadow ball, assuming no boosts for either.
 
alphatron said:
Against a sub chandy set, Deo-D needs to have gotten in first (why would he switch in). Under a +1/+1 boost with cosmic power, he either pp stalls shandy through sub and recover (occasionally boosting when he gets the chance), or he just phases chandy out with his red card/recycle set.

59.9% - 71.1% is the amount modest shandera is doing to a nuetral natured 252/200 nuetral natured Deo-D with shadow ball, assuming no boosts for either.
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Haha, and my lack of experience with Deo-D shows... CM Shandy can boost up with him and eventually win (boosting once every 3 turns as Taunt wears off) but worries about T-Wave and Red Card.
 
Uhm, somebody have a Trick Room set?

Shandera.
Ability: Shadow Tag or Flame Body.
Item: Expert Belt / Balloon.
Nature: Modest.
IVs: Spe 0.

Moves:
- Trick Room
- Flamethrower / Heat Wave / Fire Blast.
- Shadow Ball.
- Energy Ball / Hidden Power Ground / Pain Split.

Well, by the ability, depends greatly if Shodaw Tag is banned from OU.
Shandera have average Defences, but a lot of weakness, all of them nearly-common.
Flame Body is an great asesst for the Shandera's survivience. Burn 3 of 10 times is a gift, leaving things like DDtars and Outragers crying for it shorter damage and life.

Well, with Trick Room is interesting in Shandera taking in care the not-so-brilliant Speed of the Cursed chandelier. Many of the new things in OU are superfast and really offensives.

TR leaves Superfast Jellyfishes, Faster-than-meteorites Spiky Durions, and a Clown with really bad humor and an insane Attack with chances of outspeed many things, but that move is worthy in consideration.

In fact, this set leave extreme bruises in the Sweeper Number One of the Gen V: Doryuzu (Excadrill, just don't kidding me).

So, you have problems with a fucking mole that outspeed every one in Sandstorms?
Tired from a mole that support some priority attacks and Earthquake you to dead in your face?
At the edge of the nerves seeing a fucking mole runnig faster than light and rapes off between entire teams in Sandstorms?
No more, use Trick Room when Doryuzu is switched out, and Shandera outruns to the fucking mole anytime, anywhere (with Sand or not), toasting it over flames (and taste quite right).

So call to 1-555-FUDORYUZU (?) erm....

The Fire STAB is from your preference:
Nice power, many PP and perfect accuracy? Flamethrower is for you.
Great damage, enough PP and nearly perfect accuracy? run with Heat Wave.
You want abuse from an insane attack at cost of poor PP and risking accuracy? Fire Blast at your own risk.

Shadow Ball together Fire attacks made a perfect coverage, having both STABs, so, depending the case, you can use the Expert Belt.

The other Move is a filler mainly.

HP Ground hit hard to Empoleon and Heatran, meanwhile Energy Ball cover three of your's weakness, and Pain Split "recovers" you and is annoying.

Balloon is a great item in Shandera, leaving it support one or some extra turns.

See you later.
 
Offensive Shanderaa could easily be partnered with Pokemon who are weak to fire, mainly Aiinto, Birijon, Kobaruon, and Scizor. Birijon and Kobaruon especially are good partners, since they take no damage from Dark-type attacks and it raises their attack.:pimp:
 
royalina said:
Birijon and Kobaruon especially are good partners, since they take no damage from Dark-type attacks and it raises their attack.:pimp:
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Justice Heart isn't an immunity; you still take the same damage. But since they 2x and 4x resist Dark anyway, it's still probably a decent idea.
 
Arceus919 said:
What about this stall/set-up set?

Shandera@leftovers
Ability:shadow tag
Nature:Calm
Evs: 252 hp, 58 def, 200 sp def


-Acid Armour
-Calm mind
-Flamethrower
-Shadow ball

Trap the opponent in and start boosting your defenses and Sp. Attack, and the sweep away.
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Chansey/Blissey used Toxic!! You fail.
 
>my face I posted that exact same Trick Room set a while ago....twice.

Still, it works like a beast. since the opponent will likely switch out, you get a free turn to Trick Room and then proceed to spam with a 427 special attack + life orb/expert belt.
 
KokoaKiwi said:
>my face I posted that exact same Trick Room set a while ago....twice.

Still, it works like a beast. since the opponent will likely switch out, you get a free turn to Trick Room and then proceed to spam with a 427 special attack + life orb/expert belt.
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Epic.
I'm loving the stall breaker set I made :p
Only one,single problem.
And it's when I out speed an offensive threat.
For example:
Opponent switched in Hitmontop!
Kefka sent out Shandera!

It's all fine and dandy,but I definitely can't OHKO him(I couldn't think of something I could out speed and not OHKO....bear with me) with Flamethrower while he can OHKO me back.

Shandera used Substitute!
Hitmontop used *insert move here*
Shandera's Substitute faded!

And I'm basically screwed.
It does get quite a few kills though.
It's just epic when you scare a Scizor away and they switch in a Blissey as you Sub up,allowing you to get a free CM.
Great set IMO
 
-_- People complain about overcentralization with rain but there's way more sand teams. They're the reason I quit competitive battles. Most boring thing EVER.
 
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