Creative (and good) Movesets (READ THE OP FIRST)

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I actually use WoW to force them to switch out after they've killed Gengar, giving my setup sweepers the turn they need. I actually threw the move to fill the fourth slot, because I was dissatisfied with SubSplitting.
 
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Riolu (M) @ Evolution Stone
Trait: Mischievous Heart
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 100 SDef
Impish
- Overhead Throw
- Copycat
- Substitute
- Iron Defense
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I approve of this set. It truly is amazing to see a set such as this be effective (enough).
 
how about something like
luxray @ flame orb
guts
252 attack/252 speed/4hp evs
adamant
-wild charge
-crunch
-return
-roar

not really sure about the moves or evs but i think that this guy can really make use of his dream world ability which boosts his attack to 180
 
if you want a gengar with wow, it should probably always be sub wow, that is
sub/wow/focus blast/shadow ball @ leftovers
 
Gengar has so many useful options for the last slot (split, disable) that I don't think wow would work.

As Benlisted said, if ttar switched in on a sub, why don't you just focus blast it?
 
Why not use Murkrow over Riolu? It's bulkier and has Roost (along with Whirlwind, MH and Mirror Move) and Featherdance instead of Iron Defense which I guess isn't exactly the same but it can make pokemon want to switch also, helping you Whirlwind.
 
smashbroski77 said:
how about something like
luxray @ flame orb
guts
252 attack/252 speed/4hp evs
adamant
-wild charge
-crunch
-return
-roar

not really sure about the moves or evs but i think that this guy can really make use of his dream world ability which boosts his attack to 180
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Facade > Return.

Also, why Roar? use Howl or another move.
 
o yeah facade will definitely be better and i was thinking about quick attack but i wasn't sure if it was compatible with guts cuz its an egg move
 
Annoying Old Party Man said:
Gengar has so many useful options for the last slot (split, disable) that I don't think wow would work.

As Benlisted said, if ttar switched in on a sub, why don't you just focus blast it?
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My Gengar set doesn't have sub, since I put in Thunderbolt to patch some problems my team had with water-types. And I can say that it works surprisingly well for an emergency fix: they don't expect T-bolt and go down, then their crippled Gengar counter has to switch out and Blaziken has free reign.
 
smashbroski77 said:
o yeah facade will definitely be better and i was thinking about quick attack but i wasn't sure if it was compatible with guts cuz its an egg move
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Egg moves are compatible w/ DW abilities provided the mother has a DW ability. Certain DW ability event pokemon are all male though.
 
yea i thought about ice fang but i dont think its worth it because of how weak it is

Anyway i thought of another set, dont really know how creative it is but
Sceptile @ petaya berry
unburden
modest nature
252 sp attack/252 speed/4 hp evs
-leaf storm
-substitute
-focus blast
-hidden power ice

the point is to substitute until petaya berry activates and then so will unburden so you'll have really good sp. attack and ridiculous speed
 
smashbroski77 said:
yea i thought about ice fang but i dont think its worth it because of how weak it is

Anyway i thought of another set, dont really know how creative it is but
Sceptile @ petaya berry
unburden
modest nature
252 sp attack/252 speed/4 hp evs
-leaf storm
-substitute
-focus blast
-hidden power ice

the point is to substitute until petaya berry activates and then so will unburden so you'll have really good sp. attack and ridiculous speed
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Petaya+Leaf Storm

a recipe for success

but not really.
 
Personally, I'd use Overgrowth. Sceptile is pretty damn fast already, and Overgrowth'd STAB +1 Energy Balls are...not strong, but they're a good deal more useful than incredibly fast-but-still-kinda-weak Energy Balls.
 
Zebstrika said:
Why not use Murkrow over Riolu? It's bulkier and has Roost (along with Whirlwind, MH and Mirror Move) and Featherdance instead of Iron Defense which I guess isn't exactly the same but it can make pokemon want to switch also, helping you Whirlwind.
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The thing with that set is you would absolutely need Hazards for that to work, whereas Riolu will pack a punch. Plus Mirror Move is a very weird move, and doesn't work as seamlessly as Copycat - I don't know how but it's just not as reliable in delivering a repeat of the last move used on the field. That might be P-O, but i'm not sure. Instant Recovery makes him a good phazer, though, so not a bad idea.

Stagnant said:
I approve of this set. It truly is amazing to see a set such as this be effective (enough).
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Iinteresting idea with Iron Defense, Sunny Day was only for my team, and any priority move would gladly go there, for team support or just Riolu's longevity.

The thing with OT+Copycat is that you don't have to keep switching between the two - in the scenario that you have a team with more physical attackers than special attackers, you can Overhead Throw them out constantly, then bring out Copycat to get a Special Attacker of the field and return to sponging Physical Hits. Combined with Sub that actually rounds off a very nice moveset - I may give it a whirl.
 
smashbroski77 said:
yea i thought about ice fang but i dont think its worth it because of how weak it is

Anyway i thought of another set, dont really know how creative it is but
Sceptile @ petaya berry
unburden
modest nature
252 sp attack/252 speed/4 hp evs
-leaf storm
-substitute
-focus blast
-hidden power ice

the point is to substitute until petaya berry activates and then so will unburden so you'll have really good sp. attack and ridiculous speed
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Um, isn't this a fairly common set? Either way, You'll kick yourself really fast when you realize you almost killed yourself for a SpA drop.

My set may have been posted before but I can't be assed to check so sorry if it has.

Genosekuto @ Life Orb/Leftovers (I prefer the power boost but his defenses are usually good enough to take a hit so leftovers is viable too)
Naive
Download
4 Atk/252 Sp. Atk/252 Spe
-Bug Buzz
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Nitro Charge

I was always in love with genosekuto. At first I ran a scarf set and it was fairly good, but then I changed up my team and was in need of a reliable late game/special sweeper. Not willing to kick this beautiful guy to the curb I tried a life orb set but I found he really wanted his old speed back, then I saw nitro charge in his move pool. I cried at the sheer beauty of perfect coverage and a speed boosting move and immediately made this set.

He will either switch in on a revenge kill or something that isn't good at hurting him. Usually, I try to ensure that this something is more specially weak so that download boosts his SpA. You nitro charge first, and try to sweep, pure and simple. He OHKOes many things with the SpA boost from download, thunderbolt even nabs a kill on Shanderaa given Rocks. The naive nature is to let Nitro Charge have as much power as possible, and if you want you can take some EVs to let him OHKO natty if you fear T-wave crippling your sweep. Overall, though, this set is great and I wish I could express my satisfaction.
 
Pwnemon said:
Um, isn't this a fairly common set? Either way, You'll kick yourself really fast when you realize you almost killed yourself for a SpA drop.

My set may have been posted before but I can't be assed to check so sorry if it has.

Genosekuto @ Life Orb/Leftovers (I prefer the power boost but his defenses are usually good enough to take a hit so leftovers is viable too)
Naive
Download
4 Atk/252 Sp. Atk/252 Spe
-Bug Buzz
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Nitro Charge

I was always in love with genosekuto. At first I ran a scarf set and it was fairly good, but then I changed up my team and was in need of a reliable late game/special sweeper. Not willing to kick this beautiful guy to the curb I tried a life orb set but I found he really wanted his old speed back, then I saw nitro charge in his move pool. I cried at the sheer beauty of perfect coverage and a speed boosting move and immediately made this set.

He will either switch in on a revenge kill or something that isn't good at hurting him. Usually, I try to ensure that this something is more specially weak so that download boosts his SpA. You nitro charge first, and try to sweep, pure and simple. He OHKOes many things with the SpA boost from download, thunderbolt even nabs a kill on Shanderaa given Rocks. The naive nature is to let Nitro Charge have as much power as possible, and if you want you can take some EVs to let him OHKO natty if you fear T-wave crippling your sweep. Overall, though, this set is great and I wish I could express my satisfaction.
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Why not use standard rock polish?
 
Some very rough calcs of nitrocharge with genosekt:

252 attack genosekt vs 0/0 scizor 61%-72%

252 attack genosekt vs 252/252 bold forry 40%-48%

252 attack genosekt vs 252/252 bold ferathorn (about) 41%-49%

252 attack genosekt vs 0/0 genosekt 57%-67%
 
Scizor does not run 0 HP - it usually runs 216 min. And he is assuming 4 attack Genesect so the calcs look more like this (LO assumed):

Scizor: (66.87% - 78.81%)
Forry: (35.03% - 41.81%)
Ferro: (38.64% - 45.45%)

You get the point - failing to 2HKO physically defensive steels so you can be outsped by +1 Volcarona, Jirachi, Garchomp, etc? No thanks.
 
Wall of calcs assuming that you come in on something that gives +1 SpAtk.


4 Atk +0 LO Nitro Charge versus:
248 HP Escavalier: (61.81% - 73.47%)
252 HP/252 Def Forretress: (35.03% - 41.81%)
248 HP Scizor: (65.31% - 76.97%)
0 HP Durant: (77.82% - 91.83%)
252 HP Ferrothorn: (51.14% - 60.23%)
4 HP Genesect: (80.85% - 96.45%)
252 HP Metagross: (24.73% - 29.12%)
4 HP Jirachi: (32.84% - 38.71%)
0 HP Bisharp: (41.33% - 48.71%)
0 HP Lucario: (52.67% - 62.63%)
4 HP Excadrill (important if there is no sand and you catch it on the switch): (45.98% - 54.29%)

252 SpAtk +1 LO Bug Buzz versus:
252 HP Metagross: (81.04% - 95.60%)
4 HP Jirachi: (79.47% - 93.55%)
0 HP Bisharp: (134.32% - 158.30%)

252 SpAtk +1 LO Thunderbolt versus:
248 HP/176 SpDef Escavalier: (41.11% - 48.69%)
252 HP Forretress: (81.36% - 95.76%)
248 HP Scizor: (66.76% - 78.72%)
0 HP Durant: (129.12% - 152.11%)
0 HP Lucario: (90.75% - 107.12%)
4 HP Genesect: (70.32% - 83.04%)

252 SpAtk +1 LO Ice Beam versus:
252 HP/252 SpDef Ferrothorn: (35.51% - 42.05%)
4 HP Excadrill: (75.07% - 88.37%)

I had time, so I laid it out like this. Basically, if any steel switches into a nitro charge, it+the relevant coverage move will 2hko it (Ferrothorn needs SR up to 2hko with nitro charge+coverage, or nitro charge twice).

It also outspeeds dorry after two nitro charges in sand, if you manage to get that. His coverage moves let him beat steel-types, but he still loses to 100s and above, so idk.
 
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