alexwolf
lurks in the shadows
I am only going to talk about the bolded part.I'll start by saying that I love DetroitLOLcat's post and Glen's follow up. If you want to beat Deoxys-S, you're going to have to stop crying about its unpredictability, and use a little creativity. There are two good, viable leads (read: not obscure bullshit like ChopleTar) you can use to make Deoxys-S relatively useless for your opponent when you see it at team preview: Forretress and Ferrothorn. Let's take a look at some scenarios featuring either Pokemon independently.
Forretress
There are two possible outcomes:
1. Your opponent leads with Deoxys-S -- Do something that a Forretress does. Try to lay down hazards of your own. Gyro Ball. You can easily scout to see if their set is one of the following
(a) Its set is Taunt / Spikes / SR / (weak, uninvested coverage move that will never beat Forretress in a million years even if it's Hidden Power Fire which Sturdy blocks anyways)
Solution: If it taunts you, who gives a shit? Gyro Ball while they waste their time throwing down some hazards. When they've wasted enough time or you've gotten them into KO range (or even if you haven't), Rapid Spin. You can Rapid Spin 32 times if you really want to (Pressure). What if they send in a Ghost to block Rapid Spin? Unless your opponent is really overzealous and uses Taunt before switching (aka wasting its time and potentially losing Deoxys-S in the process), your Taunt has probably run out. Lay down hazards. If their switch-in Taunts you, switch to an appropriate counter, saving Forretress for later. Or just Volt Switch out. Yes I know Forretress suffers from major 4MSS and you can't stuff all of these moves on a set but these are the options you have, and I think it has just the right amount of moves to make using Deoxys-S a liability for your opponent.
(b) The Deoxys-S runs a screens set
Solution: If they Taunted on the first turn, wait to see if they put up a screen. If they do indeed put up a screen, send out something that can put up a substitute/set up themselves (remember, if they Taunt your new Pokemon, they are wasting their time), or just attack a few times. If you feel really silly and you happen to have something with Brick Break (yes I know it's a niche move and you're better off not using in most situations, but humor me), break their screens.
2. Your opponent doesn't lead with Deoxys-S or anything that will Taunt you -- hurray, lay down some hazards! If your opponent can lay hazards themselves, chances are they won't take the time to do so since they know you can just spin them away with little to no effort. Furthermore, you can pretty much rest assured knowing that Deoxys-S is running its Life Orb cleaner set that, as DetroitLOLcat puts it, hits like a ping pong ball covered in piss. And if they're not? They're either stupid or want to play some mind games with you by sending it out later in the match to lay down hazards. If they do, Forretress is likely still alive and can spin them away later.
tl;dr -- Forretress can waste Deoxys-S's time by just doing something, including getting rid of its hazards with relative ease.
Ferrothorn
I won't be nearly as detailed here since Forretress is probably the more diverse option for taking care of Deoxys-S, but Ferrothorn takes a different approach. According to Doug's calculator (I know it's not up to date for BW but it still gives you a good idea and it's the only one i have one me atm), 252 Atk Superpower isn't even guaranteed a 3HKO on standard Ferrothorn; not that it will try, which is exactly the point. Knowing this, here are some different scenarios.
1. For some reason they start with a Superpower:
They are OHKOed by one Gyro Ball thanks to the Def drop. (their Sash is broken by Iron Barbs). Outcome? No hazards.
2. They Taunt you.
(a) You tried to do something that gets blocked by Taunt. Now that it failed, use Gyro Ball. They either put up a screen or laid down a hazard at this point. Outcome? If they run a Focus Sash, 2 hazards. If not, 1 hazard.
(b) You used Gyro Ball. Outcome? Whether or not they ran Focus Sash, 1 hazard.
3. They lay down a hazard.
(a) You laid a hazard. Yay, 1 for you too! Now Gyro Ball. If they Taunt you after their first hazard, they lose and only get up 2 hazards at most.
(b) You Gyro Ball. Outcome: They get down 2 hazards.
4. They set up screens.
You're in the same boat as Forretress unfortunately. Use brute force or switch, that's all I can say.
tl;dr: Deoxys-S can only set up a maximum of 2 hazards against Ferrothorn, and it's pure suicide. Ferrothorn survives no matter what.
Again, these are two common, viable Pokemon that are not specialized for beating Deoxys-S; it's just a bonus.
Deoxys-S for OU.
P.S. I'd just like to say that this is an excellent thread and is a great start towards the new tiering procedures. A+
So you say that if Deoxys-S Taunts you should stick around with Forretres another turn to see if it is actually a DS set...Fair enough!
In turn 2 Deoxys-S sets up Reflect while you do like 30% with Gyro Ball.
Now according to what you said you switch out to a poke that can setup itself.While you switch out Deoxys-S sets up the second screen.
In the third turn Deoxys-S Taunts you as you either attack and fail to ko or you try to setup and fail to setup.
Then in the 4th turn Deoxys-S finally sets up SR and goes down from your final hit.
So where in any of those turns did Deoxys-S wasted a turn of screens?
In the 3rd turn?It's ok because the sweepers still have 4-5 turns of screens to setup and destroy your team.
The only ways to avoid the above scenario are to:
a)have an extremely hard hitter that can 2hko or ohko Deoxys-S even behind screens
And the only poke in OU that comes closer to the OHKO on Deo behind a screen is Bandtar with Crunch which does :
606 Atk vs 432 Def & 304 HP (80 Base Power): 242 - 288 (79.61% - 94.74%)
Not even a guaranteed ohko after sand damage.Quite the opposite Deoxys-S only has a very small chance of getting ohkoed after sand damage.
And also note that even if you manage to 2hko Deo-S he will still have managed to setup 2 screens or 1 screen and SR.
b)bring in a potential setuper which Deo might try to Taunt and smack it hard with the apropriate attack.
This is the most effective way to deal with him but still it is far from reliable since prediction goes both ways...