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DP Research Thread #4 ("Newer still")
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It has recently come to my attention that Super Luck doubles the critical hit rate rather than increasing the stage by 1. I know for certain that the doubling occurs before any item modifiers like Scope Lens, so there's no need to test that. However, what I would like tested is how Super Luck reacts to high-crit moves like Night Slash; if the crit rate becomes 25%, it's a direct doubling, but if it becomes 33.3%, it's a stage doubling.
This has already been tested extensively by Peterko. I saw Peterko's findings since I helped him a bit with the testing, and I can assure you 100% that Super Luck does not double the CH rate, but only increases the Critical Hit domain by 1.
If you want, I'll find the post with the necessary test, although it'll take me some time to find.
If you want, I'll find the post with the necessary test, although it'll take me some time to find.
Thanks, X-Act. Damn misinformation...
I was reading an old DP Research thread. Me and Peterko had actually placed Tinted Lens in Mod3 at first, then, for some reason, moved it to Mod2. We must have made a test where we misinterpreted Tinted Lens' position at some point. It's good that this issue is resolved once and for all.
However, we still need to test if a Pokemon with Tinted Lens using a Normal move against a Steel or Rock type Pokemon holding Chilan berry would always result in even damage or not when Chilan Berry is activated. If so, Tinted Lens would activate last; if not, Chilan Berry would activate last.
Anyone up for the test? I don't think it should take too much time.
However, we still need to test if a Pokemon with Tinted Lens using a Normal move against a Steel or Rock type Pokemon holding Chilan berry would always result in even damage or not when Chilan Berry is activated. If so, Tinted Lens would activate last; if not, Chilan Berry would activate last.
Anyone up for the test? I don't think it should take too much time.
You'll need a Pokemon having Tinted Lens (Venomoth, Illumise or Yanmega) use a Normal attack against any Rock or Steel type Pokemon (something like Geodude or Graveler or Bronzor would do) having Chilan Berry attached, and report the amount of damage dealt when Chilan Berry is activated. Do this about 10 times. That's all there is to it.
Sorry Shelcario, but I need to finish what I started:
Venomoth (255 SpA, Tinted Lens, Lv 100, Hyper Beam)
Magnezone (Chilan Berry, Recycle, 209 SpD)
If at any point the damage is odd, then Tinted Lens is before Chilan Berry. If it is always even, then Tinted Lens is after Chilan Berry.
Trial 1: 300-226=EVEN
Trial 2: 226-149=ODD
Trial 3: 148-77=ODD
Ergo, Tinted Lens is Before Chilan Berry.
Sure, just check the first 3 posts.
Anticapation Tests
Does it inform this Pokemon of super-effective Judgment or Weather Ball?
Signs point to no.
Is Counter considered a Fighting attack, is Metal Burst considered a Steel attack, and is Mirror Coat considered a Psychic attack?
Since Mirror Coat didn't cause shuddering, it would be safe to assume none of those others do.
How about Beat Up, Doom Desire, and Future Sight?
Future Sight was yes, so I am assuming Doom Desire is also. Beat Up will require more testing.
Does it inform this Pokemon of super-effective Judgment or Weather Ball?
Signs point to no.
Is Counter considered a Fighting attack, is Metal Burst considered a Steel attack, and is Mirror Coat considered a Psychic attack?
Since Mirror Coat didn't cause shuddering, it would be safe to assume none of those others do.
How about Beat Up, Doom Desire, and Future Sight?
Future Sight was yes, so I am assuming Doom Desire is also. Beat Up will require more testing.
Ice Body
Question: Since Pokemon with Sand Veil and Snow Cloak do not take damage from the respective weathers if they are not the respective types, does the same apply for Ice Body?
Test:
Perma-Hail activated
Kecleon used Skill Swap!
Kecleon acquired Ice Body!
Kecleon restored HP using its Ice Body!
(No damage message from Hail occurred)
Question: Since Pokemon with Sand Veil and Snow Cloak do not take damage from the respective weathers if they are not the respective types, does the same apply for Ice Body?
Test:
Perma-Hail activated
Kecleon used Skill Swap!
Kecleon acquired Ice Body!
Kecleon restored HP using its Ice Body!
(No damage message from Hail occurred)
Download If a Pokemon with equal attacking stats switches into a Pokemon with equal defending stats, what happens?
Pokemon uses in the Experiment;
Stats going from; HP / Atk / Def / Spe / SpAtk / SpDef
Porygon2 stats at Lv.100: 311 / 278 / 216 / 156 / 278 / 226
Dusknoir stats at Lv.100: 232 / 212 / 369 / 126 / 182 / 369
As you can see, I tested this 16 times, and if I did everything right, it shows how the Special Attack increases 100% of time in the 16 tests I did.
Reckless: Does Reckless boost the damage from Struggle?
Yes, having tested Lv 100 252 Atk @ Adamant Hitmonlee's.
This were tested 2 times each, I'll do more if nessecary.
Technician: Does it boost Struggle?
I ran each test I'm posting below 3 times, and I'm posting the ranges from all the 3 battles together, in ex. 30 - 34%, meaning it hit 30% to 31% or 32%, but the damage didn't go any higher than 34%.
Muscle Band: Does Muscle Band boost confusion damage?
No it does not.
Heal Block: Does this result in Wish healing:
I got this
Pokemon uses in the Experiment;
Stats going from; HP / Atk / Def / Spe / SpAtk / SpDef
Porygon2 stats at Lv.100: 311 / 278 / 216 / 156 / 278 / 226
Dusknoir stats at Lv.100: 232 / 212 / 369 / 126 / 182 / 369
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taco sent out Dusknoir (lvl 100 Dusknoir ?).
Porygon2's Download raised its stats!
Porygon2's special attack was raised.
Dusknoir is exerting its pressure!
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wetback switched in Porygon2 (lvl 100 Porygon2).
Porygon2's Download raised its stats!
Porygon2's special attack was raised.
Dusknoir used Counter.
But it failed!
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wetback switched in Porygon2 (lvl 100 Porygon2).
Porygon2's Download raised its stats!
Porygon2's special attack was raised.
Dusknoir used Counter.
But it failed!
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wetback switched in Porygon2 (lvl 100 Porygon2).
Porygon2's Download raised its stats!
Porygon2's special attack was raised.
Dusknoir used Counter.
But it failed!
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wetback switched in Porygon2 (lvl 100 Porygon2).
Porygon2's Download raised its stats!
Porygon2's special attack was raised.
Dusknoir used Counter.
But it failed!
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wetback switched in Porygon2 (lvl 100 Porygon2).
Porygon2's Download raised its stats!
Porygon2's special attack was raised.
Dusknoir used Counter.
But it failed!
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wetback switched in Porygon2 (lvl 100 Porygon2).
Porygon2's Download raised its stats!
Porygon2's special attack was raised.
Dusknoir used Counter.
But it failed!
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wetback switched in Porygon2 (lvl 100 Porygon2).
Porygon2's Download raised its stats!
Porygon2's special attack was raised.
Dusknoir used Counter.
But it failed!
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wetback switched in Porygon2 (lvl 100 Porygon2).
Porygon2's Download raised its stats!
Porygon2's special attack was raised.
Dusknoir used Counter.
But it failed!
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wetback switched in Porygon2 (lvl 100 Porygon2).
Porygon2's Download raised its stats!
Porygon2's special attack was raised.
Dusknoir used Counter.
But it failed!
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wetback switched in Porygon2 (lvl 100 Porygon2).
Porygon2's Download raised its stats!
Porygon2's special attack was raised.
Dusknoir used Counter.
But it failed!
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wetback switched in Porygon2 (lvl 100 Porygon2).
Porygon2's Download raised its stats!
Porygon2's special attack was raised.
Dusknoir used Counter.
But it failed!
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wetback switched in Porygon2 (lvl 100 Porygon2).
Porygon2's Download raised its stats!
Porygon2's special attack was raised.
Dusknoir used Counter.
But it failed!
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wetback switched in Porygon2 (lvl 100 Porygon2).
Porygon2's Download raised its stats!
Porygon2's special attack was raised.
Dusknoir used Counter.
But it failed!
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wetback switched in Porygon2 (lvl 100 Porygon2).
Porygon2's Download raised its stats!
Porygon2's special attack was raised.
Dusknoir used Counter.
But it failed!
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wetback switched in Porygon2 (lvl 100 Porygon2).
Porygon2's Download raised its stats!
Porygon2's special attack was raised.
Dusknoir used Counter.
But it failed!
---Reckless: Does Reckless boost the damage from Struggle?
Yes, having tested Lv 100 252 Atk @ Adamant Hitmonlee's.
This were tested 2 times each, I'll do more if nessecary.
I think that Reckless does boost up struggle, but I could be wrong, I'm not that good with numbers.
Technician: Does it boost Struggle?
I ran each test I'm posting below 3 times, and I'm posting the ranges from all the 3 battles together, in ex. 30 - 34%, meaning it hit 30% to 31% or 32%, but the damage didn't go any higher than 34%.
So I would say yes, Technician DOES boost Struggle.
Muscle Band: Does Muscle Band boost confusion damage?
No it does not.
Heal Block: Does this result in Wish healing:
I got this
So, the next pokemon can heal from the previous Wish that was made, tested 2 times.
I go in an in-game double battle using Ninjask who has no item and Bug Bit and Spiritomb who has Embargo and Petaya Berry;
Ninjask uses Swords Dance (used because it's faster)
Spiritomb uses Embargo on Ninjask
Foes randomly attack
Ninjask uses Bug Bite on Spiritomb
The "stolen and got eaten" message still appears, however the berry is not activated, therefore the berry is "destroyed".
Using Ingrain/U-Turn Smeargle in an in-game double battle tagged with Aerodactly that has Roar (and other Pokemon like Ninjask for switch-ins):
Smeargle uses Ingrain
Aerodactyl uses Agility (filler)
Foes randomly attack
Smeargle uses U-Turn
I switch in Ninjask with less than 100% HP
I throw an Ultra Ball to waste a turn of Ninjask
Ninjask didn't receive any HP recovery/ingrain animation
Aerodactyl uses Roar after enemies randomly attack
Ninjask is forced to switch out
When using U-Turn while Ingrain is in effect, the switch in doesn't recover its HP by the Ingrain nor does it get the ability to not be Phazed.
I go online with Arcaseven (because you can't use Heal Block on your partner Pokemon in a double battle in-game):
He sends out Lopunny
I send out Smeargle
Lopunny uses Magic Coat
Smeargle uses Heal Block
Lopunny uses Magic Coat (filler)
Smeargles uses Recover (it says it can't recover because of full HP, while if was Heal Blocked it won't say that, but rather say it's blocked by Heal Block)
Therefore Heal Block cannot be Magic Coated.
I go in an in-game battle with a Togekiss with Sleep Talk, Fly and Focus Punch and Spiritomb;
Spiritomb uses Hypnosis
Toegkiss uses Sleep Talk
But it failed!
I repeatedly did this because of having both Fly and Focus Punch. The Sleep Talk in all the turns has the message "But it failed" meaning Fly and other moves that needs a turn to charge don't work with Sleep Talk.
Note: Sunny Day and Power Herb won't make the Sleep Talk work with the above moves.
I use Golem with Rollout and Sleep Talk and Spiritomb;
Spiritomb uses Hypnosis on Golem
Golem uses Sleep Talk->Rollout on enemy Machop (about 40% doing to it)
(It's only used once with Sleep Talk)
Enemies attack
Spiritomb uses Hypnosis on Meditite
Golem uses Sleep Talk->Rollout on Meditite
Machop attacks
Spiritomb uses Hypnosis on Machop
Golem uses Sleep Talk->Rollout on Meditite
Both enemies are asleep
Spiritomb uses Hypnosis on something (Golem's still asleep)
Golem uses Sleep Talk->Rollout it crits Machop but doesn't kill it (/`80%).
Because the first Rollout did ~40% to machop and ~80% by the last one to it after a CH, Rollout can not get its power up even if it gets chosen repeatedly by Sleep Talk.
Sleep Talk will make Rollout/Ice Ball attack once that turn, and will not receive a boost to their power even if they're chosen repeatedly.
I go in an in-game double battle using No Guard Machamp who only has Sleep Talk and Cross Chop with 0 PPs and Spiritomb;
Machamp uses Sleep Talk (it's not asleep yet so it fails and again used because it's faster)
Spiritomb uses Hypnosis on Machamp
Foes randomly attack
Machamp uses Sleep Talk->Cross Chop and hits one of the foe's Pokemon.
Spiritomb uses Hypnosis on Machamp for the lols.
Foes randomly attack
Machamp uses Sleep Talk ->Chop and hits the other enemy. (know second Sleep Talk wasn't needed but did it anyways)
So, Sleep Talk can choose moves with 0 PP.
Might do more researches later :).
I tried this in a double battle against the computer. I fainted/slept the opponents and spent three rounds missing Toxic before the test got underway. The test uses a Magic Guard Clefairy with 105 HP.
Toxic Round 1: Venusaur lands Toxic on Clefairy, Clefairy uses Lucky Chant (filler).
Toxic Round 2: *filler*
Toxic Round 3: Venusaur uses Worry Seed on Clefairy, Clefairy uses Moonlight. At the end of the round Clefairy's health drops from 105 to 87; Toxic did 18 damage, 3/16 of its HP.
Toxic Round 4: Clefairy uses Moonlight. At the end of the round its health drops from 105 to 81; Toxic did 24 damage, 4/16 of its HP.
Toxic Round 5: Clefairy uses Moonlight. At the end of the round its health drops from 105 to 75; Toxic did 30 damage, 5/16 of its HP.
Toxic's counter keeps going up under Magic Guard.
Participants involved in battle: Quick Feet Ursaring, Lanturn with Ice Beam + Confuse Ray, and Toxicroak
Things to take note of are in bold
Opponents do nothing significant in this battle, and will be omitted
Ursaring and Toxicroak are sent out
Turn 1
Toxicroak uses Bulk Up
Ursaring uses Bulk Up
*Toxicroak is faster than Ursaring without any boosts
Turn 2
Lanturn is switched in
Turn 3
Lanturn Thunder Waves Ursaring, activating Quick Feet
Turn 4
Toxicroak is switched back in
Turn 5
Ursaring used Bulk Up
Toxicroak used Bulk Up
*Ursaring is faster than Toxicroak when Quick Feet activates, did this step just to make sure
Turn 6
Paralysis is healed, Lanturn replaces Toxicroak
Turn 7
Lanturn uses Confuse Ray on Ursaring
Turn 8
Toxicroak is switched in
Turn 9
Toxicroak uses Bulk Up
Ursaring is confused!
Ursaring used Bulk Up
*Toxicroak still outspeeds Ursaring, thus Quick Feet does not activate when confused
Turn 10
Lanturn is switched back in
Turn 11-17
Ursaring Bulk Ups, while Lanturn Ice Beams it, eventually freezing it
Turn 18
Toxicroak is switched in, Ursaring is still frozen
Turn 19
Ursaring thawed out!
Ursaring used Bulk Up
Toxicroak used Bulk Up
Turn 20
Toxicroak used Bulk Up
Ursaring used Bulk Up
*Ursaring went first even on the turn it thawed out, thus Quick Feet activates when frozen
Will Sleep Talk still fail to pick Solarbeam during Sunny Day?
Will it still pick charge-up moves if the user is holding Powerful Herb?
I'd test these myself, but alas, I fried my DS trying to overclock it. :(
I'll test both up now, then I'll edit both this post and my previous one.
Edit: Just tested both, they both don't make Solar Beam selected..meaning Sleep Talk won't work with a move that needs a charging turn even if you use Sunny Day on Solar Beam's case and Power Herb on any as the item.
Sorry about your DS OmegaDonut :(.
the game doesn´t consider confusion as a „status problem“ that would boost speed with quick feet
the game does consider freeze as a „status problem“ that boosts speed with quick feet
skill swapped serene grace on fire spin + ice beam smeargle, fire spin partner and freeze afterwards
1. hurt by fire spin at the end of the turn didn´t thaw (the answer to your question is NO)
2. used fire spin again (attacked) thawed the pokémon
magma storm "should" work the same way
sleep powder missed under gravity after one sand attack
it´s not on the first page anymore, why?
lv.20, 59 attack reckless hitmonlee struggle vs 24 defense bibarel 25 damage (no boost 22-26dmg, boost 26-31dmg)
reckless doesn´t boost struggle damage
struggle = normal type ignoring accuracy modifiers (this is what our move description says)
1. typeless IMO, wouldn´t it get STAB if it was normal type? normal type also doesn´t work well with my third point
2. attacks random pkmn of the foe in 2vs2
3. ALWAYS HITS
btw. skill swapped rock head on medicham, HJK missed and crashed, recoil
Nice. Does this work the same way with Assist - that is, it doesn't call charge-up moves?
Thanks, I'll try that later because I'm in my Encore-trials (it probably does though pick them thinking it works like Metronome and with the moves not be chosen list in the main site).
Is Magic Coat supposed to hit through substitute? I say this because on Shoddy I had a Pokemon under a sub that used hypnosis while my opponent used magic coat. My Pokemon (which was still under a sub) fell asleep.
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